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Originally posted by winetarelli:

I haven't seen Franklin & Bash, looks entertaining and we seem to have similar taste, I may check it out... I like the attractive naked girls on Californication, but I find the show, overall, a bit simplistic and strangely preachy in an odd sort of way. Dexter, on the other hand, imo, is outright excellence. Seasons 1 and 2 were very good. 3, 4 and 5 were off the charts brilliant, with 4 (Lithgow) maybe being the best season of plot driven drama I have ever seen.


Very similar tastes indeed it appears. I believe the 4th season of Dexter is one of the all-time greatest seasons ever on TV. Lithgow in particular put on what I consider the best supporting performance ever on a TV series as well.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:

Next week True Blood returns. Then Curb Your Enthusiasm, then Entourage, then Boardwalk Empire. And, of course, we have to wait a year, but, it will / better be worth it for the next season of this. I have to say, as a person who watches virtually zero network television, HBO is just about the most no-brainer $20/month I could possibly imagine spending.


+1. You pretty much just named the 4 best shows on TV, and they're all on the same network. I do have a soft spot for Dexter and Californication on Showtime, but HBO is clearly the king of premium programming. I'm really enjoying the brand new Franklin & Bash show on TNT as well right now.

I haven't seen Franklin & Bash, looks entertaining and we seem to have similar taste, I may check it out... I like the attractive naked girls on Californication, but I find the show, overall, a bit simplistic and strangely preachy in an odd sort of way. Dexter, on the other hand, imo, is outright excellence. Seasons 1 and 2 were very good. 3, 4 and 5 were off the charts brilliant, with 4 (Lithgow) maybe being the best season of plot driven drama I have ever seen.


I think Californication takes the cake out of all of them. Great characters and lines. Still fresh plot as well. Dex and Entourage are beginning to push the envelope a bit. Entourage is finally done this year I think.
I haven't watched the series (I just got the first disk of Game of Thrones from Netflix and will be watching it soon), but I've read all of the books - some of them several times.

Books 1-3 are without equal, in my opinion. 4 and 5 slow down things considerably.

There is a Chapter in Book 3 (Anyone who has read the book probably knows what I am referring to) that just knocks your socks off. I literally had to put the book down, walk around outside, and then come back in and re-read the chapter to make sure I had read it correctly.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
I haven't watched the series (I just got the first disk of Game of Thrones from Netflix and will be watching it soon), but I've read all of the books - some of them several times.

Books 1-3 are without equal, in my opinion. 4 and 5 slow down things considerably.

There is a Chapter in Book 3 (Anyone who has read the book probably knows what I am referring to) that just knocks your socks off. I literally had to put the book down, walk around outside, and then come back in and re-read the chapter to make sure I had read it correctly.


I did the same when reading that chapter. I actually had to read it a few times just to be sure I read what I thought I did. Book three while very long was by far the best of the bunch for me.
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Originally posted by spo:
This season has been excellent.
Winner
I really enjoyed the Aria + Tywin scenes, even more than Tyrion's witty comments. Every scene was so well done, never a dull moment.

My only complaint is that HBO's budget has been slim for a show of this grand scale. The dragons weren't shown very often due to the cost of CGI. Every episode has been talking about war but we never really see one. Let's hope HBO saved enough from the last season to make a big splash next week. If it turns out it's just 1 guard pointing in a direction yelling "Look, there is an army!" and then show us a dozen soldiers fighting, I am gonna flip a table .
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Originally posted by Gundam:
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Originally posted by spo:
This season has been excellent.
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I really enjoyed the Aria + Tywin scenes, even more than Tyrion's witty comments. Every scene was so well done, never a dull moment.

My only complaint is that HBO's budget has been slim for a show of this grand scale. The dragons weren't shown very often due to the cost of CGI. Every episode has been talking about war but we never really see one. Let's hope HBO saved enough from the last season to make a big splash next week. If it turns out it's just 1 guard pointing in a direction yelling "Look, there is an army!" and then show us a dozen soldiers fighting, I am gonna flip a table .

This show, imo, is not about the action scenes or special effects; it is about an incredible cast that continually delivers in every scene.

I can't wait for the season finale. Cool
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Originally posted by gigabit:
This show, imo, is not about the action scenes or special effects; it is about an incredible cast that continually delivers in every scene.

I can't wait for the season finale. Cool


I agree but on the flip side I am getting annoyed. This show spends a entire season building and shaping a character that you grow to really like. They do a great job at it. Then he's dead.
Lots of exposition. I'm hoping for great things. (I hear they divided the book -- which apparently is often considered the best in the series) into seasons 3 and 4.

Also, on a completely shallow and aesthetic note, I hate that once actresses become famous they feel the need to become rail thin. I still love Emilia Clarke, but she was even better when she looked like a normal human female weight.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Also, on a completely shallow and aesthetic note, I hate that once actresses become famous they feel the need to become rail thin. I still love Emilia Clarke, but she was even better when she looked like a normal human female weight.
Really? She was on Fallon last night and looked great. She looks so much better with dark hair.

We watched the season 2 recap show and then the season premier last night. Lots going on, but it’s great to have this show back.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Also, on a completely shallow and aesthetic note, I hate that once actresses become famous they feel the need to become rail thin. I still love Emilia Clarke, but she was even better when she looked like a normal human female weight.
Really? She was on Fallon last night and looked great. She looks so much better with dark hair.

We watched the season 2 recap show and then the season premier last night. Lots going on, but it’s great to have this show back.

I thought she looked like she'd lost too much weight, but I also have a sinus infection so maybe my sight is askew Wink
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Are the books good?


i actually like book 1 the best as it sets the major framework

book two clash of kings also is quite enjoyable as it adds a depth of complexity to the overall story

book 3 I feel like it's starts getting a bit messy but it tries to weave in a new story line to keep the guys in the north interesting.

book 4 is boring as it tries to build a new arc, the show i feel does this more justice and helps flesh out daenarys better

book 5 starts off slow, but starts building up. there's alot more symbolism in this book then all the other ones and he really starts bringing this series closer to fantasy but it's split because he cut it short and made the other half book 6.

the books are definitely an epic read. the first 5 books are like 5000 pages!

took me a year of commute reading to finish all 5.
The first three are as good as any fantasy or science fiction trilogy, or epic, out there. I liked the fourth book, but if you look on Amazon you'll see there's a lot of hate out there for it--especially after waiting 6+ years for it. The fifth I haven't read--waiting for the paperback to match my set. However, it is loathed by hundreds (thousands?) on Amazon.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
The first three are as good as any fantasy or science fiction trilogy, or epic, out there.


+1

Yes. The first three are phenomenal works. I especially enjoyed the third, once I was able to recover from my shock and realize that the author had something else in mind as to who the important characters are in the series.
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
The first 4 were great imo. The 5th was a big disappointment - on many levels. I read it when the hard cover first came out so details are foggy, but I think he just ran out of good story. It was painful at times to get through.

Knowing what I know now - I'd skip the 5th and retain the positive memory of the original set.


yea that's my gripe

he spends so much of teh book trying to build up the background that I can kinda see where he's going but he teases us saying "it's int he 6th book that the publisher forced me to cut into 2"
I'm finding it just as good, though it may be a little less eventful. This is possibly due to the decision to divide book three into two parts. I know there's a lot to cover in these books, but I think the challenge of compressing it each book into about 9 hours may make for a better TV experience.

For some silliness check out the parody in the new issue of Mad magazine.
Remember, no spoilers for those of us who haven't read the books!...

2 episodes left this season!

I'm totally thinking a Lannister is going to kill another Lannister. Any of them but Cersei might kill Joffery. Any of them might kill Tywin. I think (hope) Tyrion is safe for now. I also think Cersei and especially Jamie are safe for now.

(As an aside, the whole stuff with Theon I'm really not digging this season. I hope there was a point...)
Wow.

Ok, so I'm assuming that was the surprise, right? Like, next week it doesn't turn out that Dany is actually a dude or something. Wink

Wow. Agreed that I saw a lot more in that storyline, especially because so much time was spent to develop it. I mean, REALLY a lot of time... wow.

That said, I was always curious how two competing "good" interests with separate agendas were going to work things out...
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Just watched the episode. Bummer. I was starting to like the character.
Which character? A few have died this season...

I don't want to give it away, but the male character who was killed by an arrow in the last episode and whose wife was stabbed.
My wife and I watch the show with some good friends of ours and we were unable to watch with them last week. However, we all decided to wait until last night to watch the penultimate and final episodes.

Avoiding the spoilers for the entire week was INCREDIBLY difficult! It seemed like every possible media outlet had something to say about last week's episode.

I am about 550 pages into the second book, so I had no idea what was coming.

That was very disquieting - especially one death in particular. Eek

Ramsay Snow is a very disturbed (Hobbit-looking) individual.

Poor, poor Theon. Frown

I have vowed to finish book three long before next season.
Soon!

Odd aside:

A few hours ago I wound up getting pizza essentially at the Divergent premiere after-party. (800 Degrees. The after party was literally in the middle of the street directly in front of the front door, which I was quite surprised by.) Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo) and his wife Lisa Bonet (who knew?!) were getting pizza, too. (As were a couple of other after-partiers I didn't recognize -- sadly Kate Winslet and Shailene Woodley apparently didn't need any pizza.) For the record, Jason Momoa is enormous. Online it says he is 6'4". Yeah, maybe if he is on his knees. I've stood next to LeBron James who is 6'8", and Momoa is significantly bigger / more imposing. Enormous.

Also, it starts up again in only a few weeks! Yay!
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Soon!

Odd aside:

A few hours ago I wound up getting pizza essentially at the Divergent premiere after-party. (800 Degrees. The after party was literally in the middle of the street directly in front of the front door, which I was quite surprised by.) Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo) and his wife Lisa Bonet (who knew?!) were getting pizza, too. (As were a couple of other after-partiers I didn't recognize -- sadly Kate Winslet and Shailene Woodley apparently didn't need any pizza.) For the record, Jason Momoa is enormous. Online it says he is 6'4". Yeah, maybe if he is on his knees. I've stood next to LeBron James who is 6'8", and Momoa is significantly bigger / more imposing. Enormous.

Also, it starts up again in only a few weeks! Yay!


Cool - ready for the next season. Curious to see what they do with the story and how it diverges from the books
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Soon!

Odd aside:

A few hours ago I wound up getting pizza essentially at the Divergent premiere after-party. (800 Degrees. The after party was literally in the middle of the street directly in front of the front door, which I was quite surprised by.) Jason Momoa (Khal Drogo) and his wife Lisa Bonet (who knew?!) were getting pizza, too. (As were a couple of other after-partiers I didn't recognize -- sadly Kate Winslet and Shailene Woodley apparently didn't need any pizza.) For the record, Jason Momoa is enormous. Online it says he is 6'4". Yeah, maybe if he is on his knees. I've stood next to LeBron James who is 6'8", and Momoa is significantly bigger / more imposing. Enormous.

Also, it starts up again in only a few weeks! Yay!

I'm banging Emilia Clarke. For the record she's very loud.
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Re-watching Seasons 1-3 while waiting for S4.

PH


I'm doing the same. Watched seasons 1 and 2 last week. Just finished the 4th episode of season 3 a few minutes ago. I love this series so much. Without a doubt my favorite part of the entire series was the last 10 minutes of S3E4. Pure badassery and the last shot was so awesome.

My buddy, who has read all the books claims there are numerous parts of season 4 that are even cooler than the scene I just mentioned. I can't wait.
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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Re-watching Seasons 1-3 while waiting for S4.

PH


I'm doing the same. Watched seasons 1 and 2 last week. Just finished the 4th episode of season 3 a few minutes ago. I love this series so much. Without a doubt my favorite part of the entire series was the last 10 minutes of S3E4. Pure badassery and the last shot was so awesome.

My buddy, who has read all the books claims there are numerous parts of season 4 that should be even cooler than the scene I just mentioned. I can't wait.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I read somewhere they were looking at between 7-10 seasons, perhaps even a movie to really show off the dragons.

Im conflicted about this series. I love it but I am tempering how into I get because I have no faith it will be finished by the original author.

The movie idea was floated by Martin. I really think it would be wrong. As for him finishing this series, especially taking into account his morbid obesity and slowing down to a book every five to six years, it's very possible it will not be concluded. However in the case of Robert Jordon's series, another author came in to finish it.

In regard to finishing the TV series Martin has given the producers an overview.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I read somewhere they were looking at between 7-10 seasons, perhaps even a movie to really show off the dragons.

Im conflicted about this series. I love it but I am tempering how into I get because I have no faith it will be finished by the original author.

The movie idea was floated by Martin. I really think it would be wrong. As for him finishing this series, especially taking into account his morbid obesity and slowing down to a book every five to six years, it's very possible it will not be concluded. However in the case of Robert Jordon's series, another author came in to finish it.

In regard to finishing the TV series Martin has given the producers an overview.


I thought the movie idea was more to just kind of wrap up the whole thing. Like once the series pretty much finishes up, they would do a movie to kind of wrap up each storyline in a big way.

I don't know...I heard Martin say something about how the series could just take a year off while he writes. How bout you get your fat ass behind a desk and write the frickin thing? I've been calling this guy Tolkien Jr. for a while and I think I'm right.

Who knows...maybe if he croaks, as long as the show runners know where he's planning on going with it, they can do it justice.
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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I read somewhere they were looking at between 7-10 seasons, perhaps even a movie to really show off the dragons.

Im conflicted about this series. I love it but I am tempering how into I get because I have no faith it will be finished by the original author.

The movie idea was floated by Martin. I really think it would be wrong. As for him finishing this series, especially taking into account his morbid obesity and slowing down to a book every five to six years, it's very possible it will not be concluded. However in the case of Robert Jordon's series, another author came in to finish it.

In regard to finishing the TV series Martin has given the producers an overview.


I thought the movie idea was more to just kind of wrap up the whole thing. Like once the series pretty much finishes up, they would do a movie to kind of wrap up each storyline in a big way.

How bout you get your fat ass behind a desk and write the frickin thing? I've been calling this guy Tolkien Jr. for a while and I think I'm right.


I thought his problem was that he writes too much. I heard his current manuscript is at like 1,800 pages.
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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.


Well, you are making an assumption that the next book will be well constructed. The last two were... disappointing... to most people.

Also, for those who say that a movie can never be better than the book, I say: "Shawshank"
I had a hard time getting through the book. My plan was to read them all leading up to this season, but the first book was such a grind that I just gave up. I assume it was because the first season pretty much follows the first book practically word for word, but it was just so tedious reading it. I got to like page 500 and essentially nothing had happened. It took 500 pages to say what the first 4 or 5 episodes said.

I'm not a huge reader, so that puts me behind the eight ball so to speak, but I just think that Martin, very much like Tolkien, is simply too wordy. He has so much fluff that it makes it really difficult to trudge through it. Maybe books 2 and 3 are different, but I felt that the tv show was vastly more entertaining than what I read of the first book. It seems like the tv show is able to eliminate Martin's crap and turn a 1,200 page snooze fest into a gripping and extremely entertaining 10 hours of television.

Maybe someday I'll try the books again, but for now, I'll stick to the tv show.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.


Well, you are making an assumption that the next book will be well constructed. The last two were... disappointing... to most people.


Those people were wrong.
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by Parcival:
Arya and Hound dynamics is going to be fun to watch this season

Arya and the Hound won't (oops, no spoilers). Big Grin


Wha wha what? There must be something in the books (which I haven't read).

That said, books worth reading at this point? Have heard great things but have heard that as HBO gets further into the show it departs more and more from the books

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