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Personally, I would always prefer more Arya and less Dany - true also in the books for me. On re-reads, I often skip Dany chapters.

Both she (Daenerys) and Cersei have become very tedious characters.


Show or book? They are trying to make show Cersei much more sympathetic than the books - and more rational and less insane and paranoid

Wait. They are trying to make show Cersei more sympathetic?! Wow. TV Cersei is about as unsympathetic a character as I've seen on TV (short of Joffrey and the Boltons). I'd hate to see book Cersei.


Yup. At least 100 times worse in the books, if not more. Lena Headley's performance is probably why they went this route. By this point in the books, she has basically gone bat sh++ crazy
The great thing is they're going away from the books and working directly toward the ending they've discussed with George Martin. In doing so they are exposing many of the time-wasters that he created in books 4 & 5. They are either going to combine both of them into one season or combine both of them over a season and a half. The show is quickly becoming superior to the books--most of this due to Martin's editor not being able to stand up to him.
I enjoy the TV series and frankly like the fact they aren't getting into the murk of Books 4 and 5 as much.

I agree that the Dany chapters are really dull. I just don't care what is going on in Mereen. It's like Martin is just killing time to let the dragons grow up so Dany can take them across the sea when she invades Westeros (FYI for those who haven't read books - that's not a spoiler, that's just my supposition).
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Yup. At least 100 times worse in the books, if not more. Lena Headley's performance is probably why they went this route. By this point in the books, she has basically gone bat sh++ crazy

I'd consider this a semi book spoiler except it's not true.
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Yup. At least 100 times worse in the books, if not more. Lena Headley's performance is probably why they went this route. By this point in the books, she has basically gone bat sh++ crazy

I'd consider this a semi book spoiler except it's not true.


No and no.
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What do you think about the selection of Lena Headley as Cersei?

She isn't what I pictured Cersei to look like, and I personally think she's better looking as a brunette, but I've enjoyed her acting and I think she's really defined the role.

After her work on the cut short, Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, I was glad to see her again. And she has played the role perfectly.
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If it's no to the second, it's definitely a yes to the first. Can't have it both ways.


Wrong - discussing personality does not spoil events - if you consider that a spoiler than no reference to the books would ever not constitute a spoiler.

Rothko - I think she has been great - although her performance is more steel and less fire than the original - or is that too much of a spoiler for you too The Old Man.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
The great thing is they're going away from the books and working directly toward the ending they've discussed with George Martin. In doing so they are exposing many of the time-wasters that he created in books 4 & 5. They are either going to combine both of them into one season or combine both of them over a season and a half. The show is quickly becoming superior to the books--most of this due to Martin's editor not being able to stand up to him.


i whole heartedly agree

i dont know how i snoozed through books 4 and 5
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The great thing is they're going away from the books and working directly toward the ending they've discussed with George Martin. In doing so they are exposing many of the time-wasters that he created in books 4 & 5. They are either going to combine both of them into one season or combine both of them over a season and a half. The show is quickly becoming superior to the books--most of this due to Martin's editor not being able to stand up to him.


i whole heartedly agree

i dont know how i snoozed through books 4 and 5


+1. My interest took an increasing dive in books 4 and 5.

Every once in a while the show/movie is better than the book. 'A good year' is another imo. Very different genre, but the movie was much better than the book imo.
Absolutely agree. Once they had Sansa going to Winterfell with the Boltons, this was the only logical outcome and it was totally predicable.

The uproar seems to be 2 fronts:

1. The showrunners have overused and been tone dead to rape (ie. the Jaime/Cersei debacle from last season) and there was no real point to it in this instance; and

2. Sansa's character arc was growing from being less of a victim to a more active participant and doing this and then focusing on Theon rather than Sansa made no sense and was detrimental to the character growth.

I don't get 1 and on 2 while I don't agree as I think those fans vastly overestimate Sansa - I do at least see their point
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2. Sansa's character arc was growing from being less of a victim to a more active participant and doing this and then focusing on Theon rather than Sansa made no sense and was detrimental to the character growth.


As to point 2 certainly the route to her strength is naturally not a straight line. I don't think it's really been a picnic for any of the strong characters. Unfortunately, in Westeros, rape is common, and for Ramsey, who enjoys subjugation and causing suffering, a natural method.

As for the actress Sophie Tucker, "When I read that scene, I kinda loved it. I love the way Ramsay had Theon watching."
And so with the latest episode the TV show leaves its befuddled creator in the dust. The showrunners (hate that show-bizy term) have clearly become the standard bearers for all things Westeros. If only Martin's editor wasn't afraid to stand up to him he'd have finished the series by now and engendered much less fan angst.
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Decidedly mixed episode in my opinion.

We don't agree. I'm shocked.


I don't see how that is possible objectively:

Good

A. Kings Landing scenes were awesome -

B. Aemon scene was fabulous

C. Stannis scene good

D. Excellent move getting Tyrion to Dany - although the fighting scene and much of the interaction with the slavers made no sense -

E. Winterfell - mostly good although the Brienne shot was sort of pointless -


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A. Dorne scenes - horrible again

B. Jon Snow/Tormund/Aliser - whatever - fine but the whole story does not make much sense.

C. Gilly/Sam/Ghost - why exactly was Ghost there? Not ranging with Jon? Where has Ghost been all season? Oh, more potential rape - fantastic followed by post-attempted rape, consensual sex. Super.

As for the Mereneese problem in the Books - the show has given up any obligation to make any coherent sense regarding distance and the time it takes to travel so simplifying some of the issues is no problem - so Jamie and Bronn can stroll into Water Garden, Jorah and Tyrion can magically get to Mereeen etc.

Still it was a good episode overall but with some major weaknesses. Pretty universal reaction from what I have seen.
Two characters that were quickly becoming rather boring/predictable, Cersei and Daenerys, FINALLY, have had their roles altered by circumstance or interaction with other characters!

The scenes between Daenerys and Tyrion were sensational! Peter Dinklage continues to shine, very brightly, in his role.

I had a strong feeling that, during last night's episode, Theon would tell Sansa that her brothers were alive. I wonder if that will allow for an update on Rickon's whereabouts and a continuation to Bran's storyline (before this season concludes).

The battle at the end of last night's episode was absolutely incredible! It must have nearly exhausted HBO's CGI budget for this season, but it was well worth it. (Yep, Valarian steel counters the White Walkers. Hmmm, I wonder which other characters in the Seven Kingdoms might be carrying such a sword?)

I can't wait for the final two weeks!
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Originally posted by gigabit:

I had a strong feeling that, during last night's episode, Theon would tell Sansa that her brothers were alive. I wonder if that will allow for an update on Rickon's whereabouts and a continuation to Bran's storyline (before this season concludes).



HBO has said they are not in this season at all.
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Originally posted by gigabit:

I had a strong feeling that, during last night's episode, Theon would tell Sansa that her brothers were alive. I wonder if that will allow for an update on Rickon's whereabouts and a continuation to Bran's storyline (before this season concludes).



HBO has said they are not in this season at all.

I suppose that makes sense, as neither of them has appeared yet, why add them to the myriad other storylines that still need progression?

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