Game of Thrones [The TV Show Only; Please No Spoilers Based Upon the Books]

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:

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Originally posted by Rothko:

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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.

Well, you are making an assumption that the next book will be well constructed. The last two were... disappointing... to most people.

Those people were wrong.

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I'm personally not so keen on the whole plot thread involving the dragons, but other than that, I put this series on par with Tolkien's best. I have enjoyed each book, though some perhaps a little bit more than others.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Shocking, but obvious.

HBO might finish series without waiting for the books

From the article: "Last night’s premiere raked in over 6.6 million viewers, the most for the network since the finale of The Sopranos in 2007"

If you count DVR, ONDemmand, and HBO Go watching, all things that were not as prevalent 7 years ago, that would presumably make it the most watched episode in the history of HBO.

Probably deservedly, imo.

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Originally posted by Seaquam:

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:

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Originally posted by Rothko:

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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.

Well, you are making an assumption that the next book will be well constructed. The last two were... disappointing... to most people.

Those people were wrong.

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I'm personally not so keen on the whole plot thread involving the dragons, but other than that, I put this series on par with Tolkien's best. I have enjoyed each book, though some perhaps a little bit more than others.

NO BOOK SPOILERS, PLEASE!!!!

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Originally posted by Seaquam:

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:

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Originally posted by Rothko:

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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.

Well, you are making an assumption that the next book will be well constructed. The last two were... disappointing... to most people.

Those people were wrong.

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I'm personally not so keen on the whole plot thread involving the dragons, but other than that, I put this series on par with Tolkien's best. I have enjoyed each book, though some perhaps a little bit more than others.

I really enjoyed the books, but not quite as much as Lord Of The Rings (there is a lifetime of bias built into that statement).

I do believe, however, that Martin has done a masterful job of creating an incredibly diverse, interesting world.

I never thought I would read a story with more characters than those found in Tolkein's Middle Earth.

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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
Ultimately, I'll wait for the next damn book. I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out, but I've never found any movie or AV production that could out-do a well constructed book.

I find comparing books and movies to be meaningless. However almost all of my top movies were written directly for for the screen.

From the LA Times: Games of Thrones renewed for two more seasons.

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The two new seasons will be the fifth and sixth and will tackle events in the fourth and fifth books in author George R.R. Martin's series "A Song of Ice and Fire."

"A Feast for Crows" and "A Dance With Dragons" are notable in the series for following different sets of characters in the same time frame. While the show's producers, Benioff and Weiss, have not said how they will handle the events of those books on screen, it's likely the character stories will be reconfigured to keep all the characters (at least those still alive) in every season.

As predicted in this thread.

I preferred the previous actor that played Daario Naharis. His look and mannerisms were, imo, much more consistent with the character from the books.

This new actor looks and speaks like a knight from Westeros, not a Tyroshi sellsword and leader of the Stormcrows.

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Originally posted by gigabit:
I preferred the previous actor that played Daario Naharis. His look and mannerisms were, imo, much more consistent with the character from the books.

This new actor looks and speaks like a knight from Westeros, not a Tyroshi sellsword and leader of the Stormcrows.

Agreed although neither of them have the right hair. In the show, they are the Second Sons not the Stormcrows I think

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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
In the show, they are the Second Sons not the Stormcrows I think

I refuse to acknowledge this particular inaccuracy with the show.

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Originally posted by gigabit:
I preferred the previous actor that played Daario Naharis. His look and mannerisms were, imo, much more consistent with the character from the books.

This new actor looks and speaks like a knight from Westeros, not a Tyroshi sellsword and leader of the Stormcrows.

Yes, I can't see Dannery having the hots for him either. Oh well, a slight fall in perfection.

Un frickin believable. This show is ridiculous...in an awesome way.

It was about time.

Absolutely did not see that coming. What happens next to Tyrion will be interesting.

The production values on this show are astounding. I was particularity admiring the lighting this time, but then thought of the work that went into staging the dwarfs' farce. You can barely call what the actors do acting. They simply inhabit their roles and what a great job Jack Gleason did.

Great episode, and as great as all of the actors were, I thought Diana Rigg was truly exceptional, as usual.

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Originally posted by gigabit:
Great episode, and as great as all of the actors were, I thought Diana Rigg was truly exceptional, as usual.

Ah, Diana Rigg. What teenage boy in the 60s didn't dream of her leather cladness (sic)?

Good episode - they have made some major changes to the chronology and timing of what is happning from the books (apart from plot changes)- Dinklage was fantastic during the wedding

No Wall, no Arya and Hound, no Danaerys (not sad about that)

Excellent episode. It was about damn time. I hooe Tyrion winds up ok. And Sansa.

Great as always. Was glad to see you know who go.

Kahleesi is my favorite character in the show but I hate to say I'm getting a little bored with her storyline. Will she start doing something different pretty soon?

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Kahleesi is my favorite character in the show but I hate to say I'm getting a little bored with her storyline. Will she start doing something different pretty soon?

Tomorrow.

Actually as the thread properly says--no book spoilers.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Kahleesi is my favorite character in the show but I hate to say I'm getting a little bored with her storyline. Will she start doing something different pretty soon?

Tomorrow.

Actually as the thread properly says--no book spoilers.

Good end of episode last night . . . eager to see how they pick up next week

Saw some recent internet buzz about last night's episode . . . one entitled "the most f#%!ed up scene ever."

They were referring to the scene in front of the casket (not to give anything away here). Funny thing, I have so come to expect things like this from Game of Thrones, I let this slide through my consciousness without much of a thought -- which may in and of itself be f'd up!

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Originally posted by Parcival:
Saw some recent internet buzz about last night's episode . . . one entitled "the most f#%!ed up scene ever."

They were referring to the scene in front of the casket (not to give anything away here). Funny thing, I have so come to expect things like this from Game of Thrones, I let this slide through my consciousness without much of a thought -- which may in and of itself be f'd up!

I know what you mean. That scene didn't shock me in any way, shape or form. It barely even registered in my mind. I was just like "hmmm...that's cool." Honestly, at this point, how anybody could be shocked by anything this show comes up with is beyond me...at least in terms of depravity. Nothing anything any of these characters could do would surprise me in the least.

I dunno.... Shocked? Nah. But the combination of who, what, how and particularly where/when sure was creepy.

PH

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
I dunno.... Shocked? Nah. But the combination of who, what, how and particularly where/when sure was creepy.

PH

Definitely a creep-factor going on. But, that's become the signature of the show! Remember when the dear king was given an otherwise lovely lady to torture . . . now that scene creeped me out even more!

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Originally posted by Parcival:
Saw some recent internet buzz about last night's episode . . . one entitled "the most f#%!ed up scene ever."

They were referring to the scene in front of the casket (not to give anything away here). Funny thing, I have so come to expect things like this from Game of Thrones, I let this slide through my consciousness without much of a thought -- which may in and of itself be f'd up!

This was depicted much differently in the book: not only is the timeline of Jaime's return from the war different (he wasn't present at Joffrey's death) but when the two of them were together in the Sept, Cersei was just as lustful as Jaime.

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Parcival:
Saw some recent internet buzz about last night's episode . . . one entitled "the most f#%!ed up scene ever."

They were referring to the scene in front of the casket (not to give anything away here). Funny thing, I have so come to expect things like this from Game of Thrones, I let this slide through my consciousness without much of a thought -- which may in and of itself be f'd up!

This was depicted much differently in the book: not only is the timeline of Jaime's return from the war different (he wasn't present at Joffrey's death) but when the two of them were together in the Sept, Cersei was just as lustful as Jaime.

Yeah, many "book people" seem to be up in arms over that scene. I understand that it's different and that it probably changes the Jaime character a bit, but I get a little annoyed when people get so bent out of shape over changes from books. TV shows and movies are just adaptations. They can't be literal translations, or else this series would going on for like 50 years. They have to make changes just to get the show to flow properly. However, I can't disagree with those that say that this particular change was completely unnecessary. Then again, I guess I trust the show runners that they made this change for a good reason.

Even though Jaime has had a rough go of it lately and he's probably gotten "better", he's still not a good person and last Sunday's show just proved that.

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Even though Jaime has had a rough go of it lately and he's probably gotten "better", he's still not a good person and last Sunday's show just proved that.

As terrible as his actions were, I believe that they were done out of anger toward Cersei, as if trying punish her for her cold demeanor and repeated insults.

I believe that when the entire story is finally written, Jaime will succumb to his conscience (a conscience that has been telling him that his family completely corrupt and he has greater potential to realize) and emerge as a hero.

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Even though Jaime has had a rough go of it lately and he's probably gotten "better", he's still not a good person and last Sunday's show just proved that.

As terrible as his actions were, I believe that they were done out of anger toward Cersei, as if trying punish her for her cold demeanor and repeated insults.

I believe that when the entire story is finally written, Jaime will succumb to his conscience (a conscience that has been telling him that his family completely corrupt and he has greater potential to realize) and emerge as a hero.

I can see that. The woman "knight" (forget her name) that brought him home seems to have pushed him into a different direction. And, then being spurned by his sister for taking too long to come home easily could have solidified this shift in this mindset

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Originally posted by Parcival:

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Even though Jaime has had a rough go of it lately and he's probably gotten "better", he's still not a good person and last Sunday's show just proved that.

As terrible as his actions were, I believe that they were done out of anger toward Cersei, as if trying punish her for her cold demeanor and repeated insults.

I believe that when the entire story is finally written, Jaime will succumb to his conscience (a conscience that has been telling him that his family completely corrupt and he has greater potential to realize) and emerge as a hero.

I can see that. The woman "knight" (forget her name) that brought him home seems to have pushed him into a different direction. And, then being spurned by his sister for taking too long to come home easily could have solidified this shift in this mindset

Yes, I believe that Brienne's morality had a strong impact on him.

I believe that he has realized that he doesn't want to end up a miserable, inebriated, self-loathing, power-hungry wretch like his sister, or the greedy, heartless, manipulative person that is his father.

When all is said and done, I believe that he will cause people to respect, not fear and mistrust, the name Lannister.

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Parcival:

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Originally posted by gigabit:

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
Even though Jaime has had a rough go of it lately and he's probably gotten "better", he's still not a good person and last Sunday's show just proved that.

As terrible as his actions were, I believe that they were done out of anger toward Cersei, as if trying punish her for her cold demeanor and repeated insults.

I believe that when the entire story is finally written, Jaime will succumb to his conscience (a conscience that has been telling him that his family completely corrupt and he has greater potential to realize) and emerge as a hero.

I can see that. The woman "knight" (forget her name) that brought him home seems to have pushed him into a different direction. And, then being spurned by his sister for taking too long to come home easily could have solidified this shift in this mindset

Yes, I believe that Brienne's morality had a strong impact on him.

I believe that he has realized that he doesn't want to end up a miserable, inebriated, self-loathing, power-hungry wretch like his sister, or the greedy, heartless, manipulative person that is his father.

When all is said and done, I believe that he will cause people to respect, not fear and mistrust, the name Lannister.

Or, since he's a main character that fans do seem to like, (even if he's extremely flawed) Martin will just end up killing him off.

I felt that scene was a poor change from the book that was not consistent really with his character arc in either the book or the show -

We'll see what happens. Good episode overall - The kid playing Pod has done a great job -

Only two words to say after tonight's episode:
Peter Dinklage.

He was great. After a couple of so-so episodes, last night got things cooking again.

PH

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
He was great. After a couple of so-so episodes, last night got things cooking again.

PH

Agreed. I really don't care for the White Walker / Wall / Bran / Jon Snow plotlines... much more interested in the "game of thrones".

Several episodes ago I called that Jamie was going to fight on Tyrion's behalf in combat to prove his innocence. Certainly looks that is what is shaping up! (Again, many of us, myself included, have not read the books, so no idea.) So disappointed in Shea, though. What a bitch.

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Originally posted by winetarelli: I really don't care for the White Walker / Wall / Bran / Jon Snow plotlines... much more interested in the "game of thrones".

Why do you assume that what's going on up there isn't a part of the game of thrones? I figure pretty much that everything that's going on in Westeros is pretty much related to the fight for the Iron Throne.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

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Originally posted by winetarelli: I really don't care for the White Walker / Wall / Bran / Jon Snow plotlines... much more interested in the "game of thrones".

Why do you assume that what's going on up there isn't a part of the game of thrones? I figure pretty much that everything that's going on in Westeros is pretty much related to the fight for the Iron Throne.

I'm not talking assumptions... I'm talking storylines. So far... there is no correlation. I'm assuming it is relevant, too. But so far it is taking place completely independent of all of the other action and also has a different feel and scope.

I thought that last night's episode was the best episode of the entire series. Really well done all around.

By the way, if you've seen any of the "season 4 previews" you get a glimpse of who fights for Tyrion and against who.

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Originally posted by Whoopdido:
By the way, if you've seen any of the "season 4 previews" you get a glimpse of who fights for Tyrion and against who.