Game of Thrones [The TV Show Only; Please No Spoilers Based Upon the Books]

jcocktosten posted:

I am catching up as I could not watch the last 2 episodes when we were in Portugal -I largely know what happens and sort of dread watching but . . .

I really don't get the surprise about Dany burning King's Landing - from both the books and show - to me this has seemed fairly obvious - watching episode 4 - it was clearly going to happen - her entitlement which was always there has only gotten greater as the show has proceeded.  Perhaps its just me, but when I re-read the books I normally skip all Dany chapters as I simply can't stand her or her story line

Scenes with Jon in episode 4 clearly show what her reaction is going to be in episode 5 - so all this talk about D & D not earning the payoff and ruining her character etc. seem like a lot of BS to me. Are the last 2 seasons rushed?  Of course - but I am of the camp of giving them a break. I love the books (as I love most good fantasy series) and what they have done making the world care so much about it is an amazing feat as far as I am concerned.

I'm with you..all the fuss seems a bit silly.  It is only a TV show after all.  But agree the writing is weaker without Martin driving the bus....they are writing for a TV audience, not a reading audience.

I believe they stuck the landing.

The Old Man posted:

I believe they stuck the landing.

Except for the fact that the Wall magically was rebuilt (as was Castle Black and the Gate) - they must have very efficient ice rebuilding contractors in the North of Westeros

And it would have made much more sense for Jon to choose to go North rather than the Unsullied and Grey Worm deciding it for some reason

It's definitely not perfect, but as one who started watching this series from the first episode I think they gave us an OK ending. Perhaps a little too sweet, but maybe we deserve it after so many years of watching favorite characters go through torment, suffering and death.

I agree TOM

jcocktosten posted:

And it would have made much more sense for Jon to choose to go North rather than the Unsullied and Grey Worm deciding it for some reason

Speaking of the Unsullied, how is it that they and the Dothraki magically multiplied into thousands and hundreds of soldiers?

gigabit posted:

jcocktosten posted:

And it would have made much more sense for Jon to choose to go North rather than the Unsullied and Grey Worm deciding it for some reason

Speaking of the Unsullied, how is it that they and the Dothraki magically multiplied into thousands and hundreds of soldiers?

That was my other question - especially the Dothraki . . .

None of it really matters - I am ultimately happy and despite all the complaints (many legit. and many manufactured) - I giveBenioff and Weiss, Cogman, the directors and the actors credit for their momentous achievement and while I have quibbles for sure - I am reasonably satisfied.  

I am reasonably satisfied by the ending, although I have some issues:

I really wanted to see Jon Snow go full Targaryen and take over command of Drogon after Dany's death, fly down and crisp the Unsullied and Dothraki and then declare himself the rightful king of the Seven Kingdoms.

When Sansa declared that the North would be a separate kingdom (because it had been one for centuries before), I wanted to new Prince of Dorne to perk up and say "Uhh, yeah, us too.  We were the only kingdom not conquered by the Targaryens, so we are going our own way also."   And then all the other ones deciding they too would rather be independent.

The Wheel isn't broken.  It's in fine condition.  Here's what's going to happen.  Bran will rule wisely and well, and all the other Houses will rebuild or consolidate their power during the peace.  The Small Council will run the day to day business.  When Bran dies, the Electoral College will appoint a new king.  In time, either this new king or one of his successors will have a son, and will say to himself "I'd like to start a dynasty."  The Small Council will scheme amongst themselves, and the high Houses will start to jockey for power and position, just as they did when Robert died.  Eventually, there will be a new dynasty and we will be right back to where we were.  They should have had Bran say to Sam "I like your idea about the people voting.  I have this idea about a thing called Parliament I'd like to discuss with you."

Are Sansa and Tyrion still married?  I'm not aware that they got a divorce, despite Sansa's second and illegal marriage to Ramsey.  

Is Tyrion the Lord of Casterly Rock now?

Dorne should be the true superpower in Westeros now.  Aren't they the only ones with an intact army left?

Jon Snow going back to the Night's Watch, and I guess becoming the Lord Commander again, was interesting.  What is the Night's Watch role now?  It was too bad they didn't show Tormund with a smoking hot Wildling woman and then turning to Jon Snow and saying "Her twin sister thinks you're cute."

I would have liked a final ending that had either a nest of dragon eggs in Volantis hatching while Drogon watched or one of Craster's sons in the far North opening his eyes and they are "Night King blue".

Anyone else really want an Arya spinoff following her west of Westeros? We won't get it but that's the most intriguing story left to me. 

jburman82 posted:

Anyone else really want an Arya spinoff following her west of Westeros? We won't get it but that's the most intriguing story left to me. 

Yes most of the viewership I think would like this

Maybe she will walk the earth, like Caine in Kung Fu.

I wish this show had gone 10-13 seasons like George RR Martin thought it should. HBO 👎

spo posted:

I wish this show had gone 10-13 seasons like George RR Martin thought it should. HBO 👎

There is no way in the world they could have sustained the show for that long.

The Old Man posted:

spo posted:

I wish this show had gone 10-13 seasons like George RR Martin thought it should. HBO 👎

There is no way in the world they could have sustained the show for that long.

Even if they couldn't sustain for another 1 season, they could have received a blank cheque for 10 episodes. D&D decided to finish it in 6. 

At this point in time, GRRM has stated that he is looking to finish the books by July 2020 or something like that. I can only hope in 10 years they do a redo past S6, because the writing got worse and worse. 

The Old Man posted:

spo posted:

I wish this show had gone 10-13 seasons like George RR Martin thought it should. HBO 👎

There is no way in the world they could have sustained the show for that long.

Why do you think that? Not even 10 seasons? 

As Leslie Jones said everone should take a big drink  of grow the fu** up.  Get over it and stop whining if you did not enjoy it

spo posted:

The Old Man posted:

spo posted:

I wish this show had gone 10-13 seasons like George RR Martin thought it should. HBO 👎

There is no way in the world they could have sustained the show for that long.

Why do you think that? Not even 10 seasons? 

First this is a very difficult show to produce year and year just because of the logistics and weather. Now through in a very large cast, who pretty much can't be replaced (I think only one major character was recast early in the show.) The two girls--now women--both struggled with various mental issues over the years. Sophie Turner had to deal with years of people hating on her character (though I'm not one of them) until Sansa's major character change.

It's much easier to go 12 seasons on The Big Bang when everyone lives around LA and you're not outside battling the elements.

 Some game of thrones news. I heard one of the Game of Thrones spinoff/prequels got cancelled but they will make a show about the Targaryens. I hope they find some good writers.

benioff and Weiss made a confession about not really understanding game of thrones that well ....

spo posted:

 Some game of thrones news. I heard one of the Game of Thrones spinoff/prequels got cancelled but they will make a show about the Targaryens. I hope they find some good writers.

benioff and Weiss made a confession about not really understanding game of thrones that well ....

I loved GoT and I'm a defender, but not lover, of the final season, but I have no interest in watching anymore tales of Westeros.

spo posted:

 Some game of thrones news. I heard one of the Game of Thrones spinoff/prequels got cancelled but they will make a show about the Targaryens. I hope they find some good writers.

benioff and Weiss made a confession about not really understanding game of thrones that well ....

Is it? Wow I didn't know this. Yeah I hope they find good writers for it.