A much slower episode after last week's - which was to be expected.

However, some major bombs dropped last night.

Cersei claiming to be pregnant; some pretty wild news. My bet is that she somehow loses the baby, which finally pushes her over the edge of lunacy.

Littlefinger playing some 4D chess against Arya, and winning. Let's see how that all plays out, but I have a feeling next episode will feature some major Arya Vs. Sansa conflict. Question is, where is Bran in all of this?

Jon mother-fuckin' Targaryen!!! How is this all gonna play it?? Will he get along with his auntie?? When is Gilly gonna put two and two together, and how?

The GoT All-Star team heading out past the wall is gonna be amazing. Who's gonna die out there, and what's gonna happen with Gendry? Pretty cool to see him and Jon Snow Targaryen having a bro-crush.

Only 2 episodes left though, with a feature-length finale, should be pretty amazing.
Still enjoyable.

I thought it was a very bad decision to burn Randall and Dickon Tarly with dragonfire. First, that's not what you do to POWs, and second, using fire to kill them strikes too close to the Mad King. I also wonder what the Dothraki think of offering your enemies the option to "bend the knee." I imagine there might be some grumbling about that.

I liked the fact that Gilly read the scroll about the annulment and that Sam didn't pick up on it. I know the majority of the audience was screaming at him about that, but why would Sam care about the annulment of the marriage of a dead Targaryen prince and subsequent remarriage? He's focusing on the Night King. I imagine though, at some point in the future, he's going to say: "Wait a second, Gilly, what did you tell me about that annulment thing?" and it's all going to click. Until then, we the audience know it, but they don't.

Loved Davos' line about "still rowing" to Gendry. Nice acknowledgement of the Internet's effect on this series.

I don't really buy the "let's go get a wight and bring it back so everyone can see we are telling the truth" strategy. And I certainly don't buy the concept of sending all the leaders (including the King in the North, and the leader of the free folk) to go get one. That's what you have rangers in the Nights Watch for. The idea of an Ocean's Eleven team going out there seemed a bit much. I wondered whether I was witnessing the jumping of a shark.
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Still enjoyable.

I thought it was a very bad decision to burn Randall and Dickon Tarly with dragonfire. First, that's not what you do to POWs, and second, using fire to kill them strikes too close to the Mad King. I also wonder what the Dothraki think of offering your enemies the option to "bend the knee." I imagine there might be some grumbling about that.

I liked the fact that Gilly read the scroll about the annulment and that Sam didn't pick up on it. I know the majority of the audience was screaming at him about that, but why would Sam care about the annulment of the marriage of a dead Targaryen prince and subsequent remarriage? He's focusing on the Night King. I imagine though, at some point in the future, he's going to say: "Wait a second, Gilly, what did you tell me about that annulment thing?" and it's all going to click. Until then, we the audience know it, but they don't.

Loved Davos' line about "still rowing" to Gendry. Nice acknowledgement of the Internet's effect on this series.

I don't really buy the "let's go get a wight and bring it back so everyone can see we are telling the truth" strategy. And I certainly don't buy the concept of sending all the leaders (including the King in the North, and the leader of the free folk) to go get one. That's what you have rangers in the Nights Watch for. The idea of an Ocean's Eleven team going out there seemed a bit much. I wondered whether I was witnessing the jumping of a shark.


Drama has replaced strategery but that's ok. There's obviously a really important story element that has to involve Jon Snow and his SEAL team 6 in beyond the wall that should be epic.

I think it's a little odd that we're going to go from Jon Snow to Jon Targaryen. An annulment would be really weird plot hole as Rhaegar had 2 children by Elia Martell and seemingly nobody else knew about it. Essentially divorcing a princess of Dorne to marry someone else seems like a hard secret to keep. Hopefully they explain it.

So succession-wise, that puts Jon Targaryen > Danaerys Targaryen. The Father of Dragons???
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I thought it was interesting that Danaerys was not more interested in Drogon's interest in Jon Snow.

I thought that scene was rather odd: Why did she fly up and land in front of him like that? Why not further back? Well, of course, the writers had to find a moment when Jon would interact with the dragons, and Danaerys needed to be nearby to see for herself. I suppose she couldn't just have walked the dragon up on a leash for Jon to pet it. Smile

As a result, I think she suspects that there is some Targaryen blood in his veins. How else could he become so intimate with the dragon, so quickly?

The bigger question running through her mind is: How incestuous would it be to hook up with Jon (which, we all know, is what she has wanted since they locked eyes in that cave)? Would it be as incestuous as...say...a couple of Lannister siblings procreating thrice?
This next episode is going to be a major, major, major doozy. I'm resisting downloading the leaked episode courtesy of HBO Spain and Nordic divisions, but I did read the spoilers. As usual, the tradition of the penultimate episode of a GoT season having a ton of action and plot movement continues......
Ok. So... is Tyrion a Targeryen/Snow?

He also was able to communicate with / keep docile the dragons (in the cave where they were chained). His mother also died giving birth to him. Do non-Targeryen women die when giving birth to Targeryen men? (Dany's still-born fetus looked dragon-like, but she was able to carry it.) Is that why that line has so much incest? Tywin always hated Tyrion. Right before Tyrion killed him, Tywin claimed that Tyrion was not his son. Was he being literal? Could the Mad King have impregnated Tyrion's mother? There are three dragons. Are there only two dragon riders / living Targeryens? And if there are 3 Targeryens alive, and we have met all three, it doesn't seem plausible that it be anyone else. Ep1, S1 Tyrion claims to Jon that dwarfs are treated like bastards by their fathers. What if he was treated like a bastard because he is one?
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Why would you watch the leaked episode?

Now you have to wait almost two weeks.


I'll watch it again on Sunday. Hell, I'll probably watch it again before Sunday. Plus, I bet the last one is somehow leaked. Its not like its hurting viewership. Last two episodes have been the most watched ever.
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I'll add something like this had to happen, just like at least one of the dragons has to die. If not there is no real suspense in this battle.


Die? Yes. But when and where? Do his eyes turn blue?

I thought it was a great episode. Lots of suspense: Is Jon going to die? Is Beric going to die? Is Tormund going to die? Oh my, look who just died!

All that to capture a single wight. To paraphrase Saving Private Ryan, that had better be a real special wight - like it had better discover the cure for cancer or something.

So much for the idea of the three heads of the dragon and the three dragon riders.
I read somewhere that the "three heads of the dragon" was still a possibility in that Jon and Dany were gonna make a baby, but who knows.

I never thought I'd be so sad over the death of a dragon - that scene was beautifully done.

Aside from that, I actually thought it was a pretty poorly written episode. Granted, yes, it was great for moving the storyline forward but the Hound throwing the stones was so predictable and a really lazy way of moving things forward, the dragon's saving the men on the island was too "milked" IMO, they would've been dead by then, Uncle Benjen was lame and too "out of nowhere", the Sansa v. Arya thing feels lazy, etc.

So yeah, good episode in terms of plot revelations and moving things forward - but I felt like a lot of it was lazily written.

With all that being said, looks like CLEGANEBOWL is confirmed!!!
Jorge, I do get your point about Benjen. That felt very contrived. Im just waiting for someone to get pissed about the wights having giant chains just laying around.

I like the Sansa/Arya thing though. I think it will go in a different direction than most people expect.
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Jorge, I do get your point about Benjen. That felt very contrived. Im just waiting for someone to get pissed about the wights having giant chains just laying around.



Best answer I've read for where they got the chains: Hardhome Depot
Gig, agreed - one of the things about the writing that made the episode seem sloppy to me.

It would've made more sense if Tyrion had convinced Dany that the WW's were true, or even that Dany had a vision or dream, and decided to head out on her own and surprise everyone. But the whole "you run back to the wall! Dispatch the raven! Fly to the battle (which you have to find)!" all before the water freezes again was just lazy.

Again, I know we aren't debating how "realistic" the show is, but some things just leave too big of a gap and could have seemingly been addressed with smarter writing.
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Gig, agreed - one of the things about the writing that made the episode seem sloppy to me.

It would've made more sense if Tyrion had convinced Dany that the WW's were true, or even that Dany had a vision or dream, and decided to head out on her own and surprise everyone. But the whole "you run back to the wall! Dispatch the raven! Fly to the battle (which you have to find)!" all before the water freezes again was just lazy.

Again, I know we aren't debating how "realistic" the show is, but some things just leave too big of a gap and could have seemingly been addressed with smarter writing.


Basically, Gendry role in the episode was old school booty call text.

So much easier to asking someone "u up?" now.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
I thought it was a great episode. Lots of suspense: Is Jon going to die? Is Beric going to die? Is Tormund going to die? Oh my, look who just died!

All that to capture a single wight. To paraphrase Saving Private Ryan, that had better be a real special wight - like it had better discover the cure for cancer or something.

So much for the idea of the three heads of the dragon and the three dragon riders.

LOL, Saving Private Ryan. I agree with what many people said of the Episode. The writing is rushed without the sense of witty dialogue in S1-6. Speaking of the subject, I do hope for Littlefinger and Varys Reunion. But only if Ayra doesn't faceoff~ with him first.


A few standout moments this episode

- Fast travel skyrim style
- Jon's stupid plan
- Ayra-Sansa rift caused by Littlefinger, but Bran the creepy kid seemingly did nothing to stop it.
- why didn't the Olympian Night King use the Javalin in the first place
- Dany's pointless arguements with Tyrion

+ Dragons and lots of slashing wights
+ Exchange between Tormund and Sandor Clegane (TWO THUMBS UP)
+ Polar bear
+ Beric's fire sword
+ Other funny dialogues like. "This one has been killed 6 times, you don't see him complaining".


Looking forward to the fan-rumored Cleganebowl next week !!!
I never read the books but heard some collapse under their own weight and it seems like Martin was having a hard time wrapping it up. I think some of the criticisms here about time passing too fast would have been fixed by a little banner that says 2 nights later or 3 months later, but that would have looked cheesey. Also didn't the sun go down when they were on the island indicating time had passed? The battle scenes are cool and insanely tense because anyone can die at anytime in this show. I also like it when they just sit around and talk. I wish there were two 12 episode seasons because this show deserves it but somehow they cannot seem to come up with a happy medium between telling their detailed story and getting to the point and ending it. Looking forward to the spinoffs.
I think Qyburn is working for Varys. Possible the mountains true master is him and not Cersi.

Read an interesting tidbit. In a previous season Dani was telling a story about her family and how no one ever rode more than one dragon. That could be why they didn't have Jon get on Drogon last episode.
I still say there is too much foreshadowing of Tyrion being fathered by the mad king for it not to be addressed.

I'd love to see Arya kill Littlefinger then loose the game of faces with Sansa. Or, at least, I think that is one of the possible setups.

I maintain my position that Bran is a waste of time; and an ill-concieved character. If they had wanted to explain why he is named "after" 'Bran the Builder' (the builder of The Wall) they needed to do it sooner.
I must say, having the sex scene right after Bran and Sam's conversation made it sort of sick lol and that last scene might have been the cheesiest use of cgi in the history of the show. It really was horrid.

That said, a good episode and lead into to the final 6 episodes.
There is a ridiculous amount of GoT tourism now in Northern Ireland. Every seawall, pasture and castle, whether known previously or not, is now jammed with gawkers taking selfies. I supposed it's a boon to the local economy but irritates the locals to no end.
Sorry for the drift. Carry on!
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There is a ridiculous amount of GoT tourism now in Northern Ireland. Every seawall, pasture and castle, whether known previously or not, is now jammed with gawkers taking selfies. I supposed it's a boon to the local economy but irritates the locals to no end.
Sorry for the drift. Carry on!

My understanding is that Dubrovnik, Croatia has seen a marked increase in actual median income not only due to explicit GoT tourism but also due to the tremendous uptick in awareness of the beautiful city that GoT has brought.
So now we go back to our small and pitiful lives for another year or so...

The season finale was satisfying.

It also got me to thinking. SPOILERS AHEAD

So the way the Night King got the Wall down was with the dragon. What was his plan for getting through the Wall before he learned about the existence of the dragons and was able to resurrect one (which took place only a short while ago)? He's been marching towards the Wall for a long time - was he just going to wing it when he got there?

It made me wonder if the Night King has a touch of Bran's ability to see into the past/future. Don't forget that the Night King was able to see and touch Bran when Bran did his "second sight" thing a few seasons ago. As far as I can recall, he's the only one who's been able to directly interact with Bran (Ned Stark heard Bran briefly at the Tower in Dorne but shrugged it off).

So, if the Night King is able to use second sight himself, then maybe he was able to foresee that he would use the ice dragon at the Wall. Which meant that he knew he was going to be able to get his hands on one, and how. Which explains why he was able to get those huge chains - he made them ahead of time because he knew he'd need them to pull the dragon out after he killed it.

His plan from the get-go was that he was going to bring the Wall down with a dragon. He just hasn't been able to see far enough ahead to see what will ultimately happen (or maybe he has, and he realizes he has no choice but to follow his fate).

Anyways, that's my theory.
It was a good finale - I enjoyed it particularly Bran, Arya and Sansa teaming up to give Littlefinger what he has deserved for so long.

On the other hand, the Cersei/Dragonpit scene was too long in my opinion.

Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.

And Bran and Sam hashing out Jon's lineage. Anyway - a largely enjoyable episode.
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Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.



Icy Hot. It's cold but its hot!
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:

Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.



Icy Hot. It's cold but its hot!


Cool, when I pull a muscle I will be sure to summon the Night King and his Ice Dragon for some Icy Hot.

Also, was happy to see Theon get some screen time. Alfie Allen really is good.

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