in a fit of boredom of been reading a few GoT conspiracy theory websites. All seem to focus around the idea that Daneryus is going to pull in to Blackwater Bay and fight if out directly. This may just be the Marine Corps in me, but this seems like the stupidest idea possible. Why would someone with what may be the most ruthless ground force in history attempt an amphibious landing, with a force that has no naval assault experience, at a place that has already defended against a sizable force? D could land 30 miles up shore and march on King's Landing, easily overwhelming the defenses, while still bombarding from the sea and landing a smaller force as a distraction from the main assault.

I think HBO should hire me as "warfare expert consultant"... I'll take partial pay in wine...
I'd think that her Hand of the Queen would advise (from first hand experience) that trying to invade Kings Landing via Blackwater Bay is a recipe for disaster. Who knows if that's really going to happen. Lapses in logic/leaps of faith aren't uncommon with the GoT's writers.......
If I recall correctly, Aegon the Conqueror landed in Westeros with a couple of dragons and about 2000 troops.

Dany has a horde of Unsullied, Dothraki, and regular troops (presumably from Mereen, Dorne, and Highgarden). Oh, and 3 dragons.

I give her pretty good odds.
All dragons are not built equally. I didn't read the books, but I have read that young dragons are no match for the firepower and destruction that older dragons could wreak. Dany's trio aren't more than 2 years old in even the most accelerated show timelines. Dragons could continue to grow for most of their lives, and could live to be several centuries old.

Aegon's were likely much older than Dany's.
Just finished the five episodes of Season 6 thanks to HBO's free weekend. While it was good as usual, I'm glad I didn't subscribe to it.
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Just finished the five episodes of Season 6 thanks to HBO's free weekend. While it was good as usual, I'm glad I didn't subscribe to it.

To HBO?
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Just finished the five episodes of Season 6 thanks to HBO's free weekend. While it was good as usual, I'm glad I didn't subscribe to it.

To HBO?
yes
Just spent the past week binge-watching season 6. Wow! I love the show, but frankly, all the family interconnections discussed here are just giving me a headache.
The one thing that I wanted, but didn't happen, was in that last scene with Sansa and Ramsey, I wanted Sansa to do the "dinner" whistle for the dogs.
Also, 7 episodes in season 7? Ten was too short!
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Also, 7 episodes in season 7? Ten was too short!

This is what is going to maintain the high quality of this series. Get in, get out, don't do a Sopranos or Walking Dead and stay too long at the fair.
An enjoyable beginning. I wish the White Walkers would pick up their pace. They've been slow walking to the Wall for 6 years.
Great start to the season.

I doubt we'll get many slow episodes these final two seasons, given the amount of material they need to cover in a short time frame.

Also exciting to see that even though we're only getting 7 episodes, they're all at least one full hour long (with the exception of ep. 4), and 6 and 7 are 71 and 81 minutes respectively.

Episode 1: 59 minutes.
Episode 2: 59 minutes.
Episode 3: 63 minutes.
Episode 4: 50 minutes.
Episode 5: 59 minutes.
Episode 6: 71 minutes.
Episode 7: 81 minutes.
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Great start to the season.

I doubt we'll get many slow episodes these final two seasons, given the amount of material they need to cover in a short time frame.


+1

I thought the opening scene last night was fantastic!
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I thought the opening scene last night was fantastic!


Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
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I thought the opening scene last night was fantastic!


Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Loved the opener. My only quibble is that it would have been even better if the showrunners hadn't included the prior events involving Arya in the recap before the cold open scene. I knew immediately how that scene would play out.
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Loved the opener. My only quibble is that it would have been even better if the showrunners hadn't included the prior events involving Arya in the recap before the cold open scene. I knew immediately how that scene would play out.

+1

I didn't care much for the rest of the episode, with the exception of Sandor Glegane: I'm very intrigued by his story arc.
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
Loved the opener. My only quibble is that it would have been even better if the showrunners hadn't included the prior events involving Arya in the recap before the cold open scene. I knew immediately how that scene would play out.

+1

I didn't care much for the rest of the episode, with the exception of Sandor Glegane: I'm very intrigued by his story arc.

Season openers opening with a bang are the exception rather than the rule for GoT. A considerable amount of "setting up" did occur in the episode, though.
So, do you think the Wall is coming down this season?

Maybe letting Bran through the gate wasn't such a good idea? There's magic in the Wall, but Bran has the mark of the Night King on him, which let the White Walkers get to him last time around.

Or do you think the White Walkers will go east to where the Wall meets the sea, freeze the water, and walk around it?

I imagine the Wall collapsing would be a much more exciting episode.
The wall coming down would be way cooler but in realistic terms, the thing is so huge even crumbled it would be a pretty big wall. Add in Clegean's vision and it looks like they will go around it. That's where Jon sent the free folk isn't It? We should be saying goodbye to them soon.
1) Awesome.

2) Cersei trying to Murder Mrs. Dorne's daughter in front of Mrs. Dorne's own eyes will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Jamie, and he will kill her because of it.

3) Nathalie Emmanuel.
To me it was a big step down from Episode 1 - still enjoyable.

At least we got rid of 2 of the Sand Snakes - now for the last one and her mother and that will be a clean end to the show's terrible and pathetic handling of Dorne
JC, agree it was a step back from episode 1. I did enjoy the Danny/Varys banter though.

I read an article the other day that said the opening credits have changed and now show the seas on either side of the wall frozen. In earlier seasons they were water.
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JC, agree it was a step back from episode 1. I did enjoy the Danny/Varys banter though.

I read an article the other day that said the opening credits have changed and now show the seas on either side of the wall frozen. In earlier seasons they were water.


Definitely shows the snow/ice spreading - absolutely correct
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1) Awesome.

2) Cersei trying to Murder Mrs. Dorne's daughter in front of Mrs. Dorne's own eyes will be the straw that breaks the camel's back for Jamie, and he will kill her because of it.

3) Nathalie Emmanuel.


No, that isn't going to be the straw. That was Jaime's daughter who was killed. He isn't going to have too much of a problem with Cersei dealing with them.

Just like he didn't do anything when the Mad King was killing Ned Stark's father and brother. It was only when the Mad King decided to "Burn them all!" that Jaime stepped in and killed him.

I do think that Jaime is going to kill his sister, thus fulfilling the prophecy, but it will only be when she announces she's going to destroy Kings Landing or something like that.
Step down for me, too.

1. Soooo... what's Greyworm's "situation"? Still got some functional gear down there, or what?

2. The Greyjoy naval battle was disappointing to me. If Euron (pardon all of my spelling, btw) was able to beat them so handily, did they ever even stand a chance down the road? I get he has the Iron Fleet, but didn't Theon and his sister steal some of his best ships?

3. Theon really pissed me off. If they bring him back later on in the series as a sudden "savior" it'll be such bullshit. He had every chance to step up, and he bailed (literally). Is he suddenly supposed to toughen up down the road? Bullshit.

4. The sand snakes were defeated far too easily, IMO. They're supposed to be such little bad-asses, yet seemed easily handled. SAD! (hehe).

5. WTF was the point of the Arya + Dire wolf scene? I read an article explaining that the "That's not you" line is a reference to a comment Arya made to Ned in season 1 when Ned told her she'd be a domesticated princess some day, to which Arya applied "That's not me". So it was essentially Arya realizing that asking Nymeria to "come back and live a domesticated life in Winterfell with me "is not you". I guess it's just reminding us that Nymeria is still alive, knows who Arya is, and will probably kick some ass later on.

I'm enjoying the show, but I also can't wait for it to end. It has so many stories going on that I have to read episode recaps every week just to understand wtf is going on. The show is complicated enough as-is, and we haven't even seen the whitewalkers this season.
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Step down for me, too.

1. Soooo... what's Greyworm's "situation"? Still got some functional gear down there, or what?

2. The Greyjoy naval battle was disappointing to me. If Euron (pardon all of my spelling, btw) was able to beat them so handily, did they ever even stand a chance down the road? I get he has the Iron Fleet, but didn't Theon and his sister steal some of his best ships?

3. Theon really pissed me off. If they bring him back later on in the series as a sudden "savior" it'll be such bullshit. He had every chance to step up, and he bailed (literally). Is he suddenly supposed to toughen up down the road? Bullshit.

4. The sand snakes were defeated far too easily, IMO. They're supposed to be such little bad-asses, yet seemed easily handled. SAD! (hehe).

5. WTF was the point of the Arya + Dire wolf scene? I read an article explaining that the "That's not you" line is a reference to a comment Arya made to Ned in season 1 when Ned told her she'd be a domesticated princess some day, to which Arya applied "That's not me". So it was essentially Arya realizing that asking Nymeria to "come back and live a domesticated life in Winterfell with me "is not you". I guess it's just reminding us that Nymeria is still alive, knows who Arya is, and will probably kick some ass later on.

I'm enjoying the show, but I also can't wait for it to end. It has so many stories going on that I have to read episode recaps every week just to understand wtf is going on. The show is complicated enough as-is, and we haven't even seen the whitewalkers this season.


1. They just cuddled. [kidding]. I'm no expert on eunuchs, so I will leave this one to others.

2. Euron is supposed to have 1,000 ships, so I am not shocked he was able to catch Yara's fleet and whip it handily. What I do find laughable is that he was able to locate the fleet in the night, get his ships in close without any pickets detecting them, find Yara's flagship, and literally ram the ship without anyone raising the alarm. Surface naval warfare isn't usually like that.

3. Theon reverted to his true character. I don't have a problem with him going all "Reek" and jumping off the ship. Maybe his sister and Ellaria shouldn't have been dissing him moments earlier. Actually, I think that jumping off the ship was probably his only real option; if he had attacked Euron he would have been killed. I agree entirely that the show should not redeem him at some point and turn him into a heroic character. In fact, the most realistic outcome would be for him to drown.

4. I thought it was incredibly realistic for the Sand Snakes to get killed/captured so easily. 1) They are at sea, not in the desert, so they aren't in their environment; 2) their enemies are seasoned pirates, so their opponents are in their natural environment; and 3) I may catch grief for this, but in that world the vast majority of women don't stand a chance in combat against men. It's unrealistic that the Sand Snakes could take on and defeat the average male pirate.

5. I imagine Arya will meet her dire wolf again. I agree that I wasn't sure what the point was of this reunion.
Good points, Rothko.

You described my issues with the naval battle better than I could - the entire thing was just very "c'mon, gimmee a break". They just showed up outta the blue, completely unnoticed in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the night, found the right boat in one shot, etc. The whole thing was just very silly to me.

Do we have any resident eunuch experts that could help shed some light on Greyworm's situation?

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Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Good points, Rothko.

You described my issues with the naval battle better than I could - the entire thing was just very "c'mon, gimmee a break". They just showed up outta the blue, completely unnoticed in the middle of the ocean in the middle of the night, found the right boat in one shot, etc. The whole thing was just very silly to me.

Do we have any resident eunuch experts that could help shed some light on Greyworm's situation?



I think we can pretty much guarantee any resident eunuch experts are not going to make that fact known here...
Just had the opportunity to watch the new episode tonight. Agreed, it did drag along a bit. Hopefully setting up some good scenes in the next episode.

I do have to give the Sand Snakes some credit. They didn't just go down at the first encounter. The two below decks were pretty overwhelmed by superior numbers in the end. But they got some licks in. And the two above were fighting in leather armor against an obviously accomplished and superior warrior,who also happened to be pretty heavily armored compared to them. Whoever was sleeping on guard duty definitely got what was coming to them though....

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