For those who like Chapoutier Hermitage Blanc Le Meal

Bill,

I have 2 inexpensive Bordeaux from 1967 that are over the hill:

1967 Alexis Lichine Bordeaux Contrôlée
1967 Château Patache d'Aux

If you are still talking to me in 4 years, I'll open one for you. Not sure if you would want to drink either of them though.

VM
I've had different vintages of the 1967 wine Binny's is selling and was not impressed:

1998 Antoniolo Gattinara - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Gattinara (8/16/2003)
Served blind. My first sip revealed an unpleasant soapy/walnut taste and smell. After smelling the wine in the decanter I determined that it was my Sister-in-Laws stemware causing the problem. After dumping my glass and washing it out, the wine revealed a typical Nebbiolo nose. Medium bodied with tart cherry. Much fuller and fruitier than the 1988 with sharp acidity. This was the favorite of 4 out of the 5 tasters. My score= 84 points.

1988 Antoniolo Gattinara - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Gattinara (8/16/2003)
Served blind. Brickish red. Much more mellow and earthy than the 1998. The acidity which is present in the 1998 has considerably faded. Also fading was the fruit. This was still a drinkable wine but was clearly past its prime. I found the finish to be slightly medicinal. Only 1 of the 5 tasters preferred this wine. Interestingly, 2 tasters guessed this was the newer bottle. 78 points.

VM
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
I've had different vintages of the 1967 wine Binny's is selling and was not impressed:

1998 Antoniolo Gattinara - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Gattinara (8/16/2003)
Served blind. My first sip revealed an unpleasant soapy/walnut taste and smell. After smelling the wine in the decanter I determined that it was my Sister-in-Laws stemware causing the problem. After dumping my glass and washing it out, the wine revealed a typical Nebbiolo nose. Medium bodied with tart cherry. Much fuller and fruitier than the 1988 with sharp acidity. This was the favorite of 4 out of the 5 tasters. My score= 84 points.

1988 Antoniolo Gattinara - Italy, Piedmont, Northern Piedmont, Gattinara (8/16/2003)
Served blind. Brickish red. Much more mellow and earthy than the 1998. The acidity which is present in the 1998 has considerably faded. Also fading was the fruit. This was still a drinkable wine but was clearly past its prime. I found the finish to be slightly medicinal. Only 1 of the 5 tasters preferred this wine. Interestingly, 2 tasters guessed this was the newer bottle. 78 points.

VM


No dog in the hunt here, VM but I'm wondering how your experiences with differing vintages of these wines apply to the 1967s. It was a pretty darned good vintage in the Piedmont, fwiw.... Again, no specific experience with these wines but vintage, provenance etc. make cross vintage comparisons suspect at the least, no?

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
No dog in the hunt here, VM but I'm wondering how your experiences with differing vintages of these wines apply to the 1967s. It was a pretty darned good vintage in the Piedmont, fwiw.... Again, no specific experience with these wines but vintage, provenance etc. make cross vintage comparisons suspect at the least, no?

My notes might not be relevant but Bill said he couldn't find any info on the Gattanara so I told him what I knew.

Personally I think there is some relevance (not sure how much though). Since 1988 and 1998 were good Piedmont vintages, I would expect the quality of the wines I tried to be better. Since they were not, you might be able to extrapolate that experience and assume that even in the best vintages, Antoniolo's wines might only be in the 90 point range at best. Also, the 1988 I tried was 15 years old and was clearly fading. That probably says something about how these wines might drink at 50 years old.

VM
I certainly wouldn't recommend that someone pony up $125 for an unknown 46 year old Gattinara, but you never know. I'd have to imagine that before selling a wine this old that someone at Binny's cracked a bottle? Might be worth a call to see if someone has.

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
I certainly wouldn't recommend that someone pony up $125 for an unknown 46 year old Gattinara,

PH


I'm still waiting on mine to be delivered from Premier Cru. Has anyone else already received their pre-order on this wine over 40 years ago? I talked to them last week and seems to be on the way. Smile
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Premier Cru has it for $110.

I would pay the $10 premium and get it from TCWC.


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Would this wine still have life in it if/when Premier Cru delivers it?

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