Quote from Reuters:
"(AAPL) sold more watches in 2019 than the entire Swiss watch industry, according to new data from the research firm Strategy Analytics. For the year, Apple (ticker: AAPL) sold an estimated 30.7 million watches, up 36% from the previous year, while the entire legendary Swiss watch industry sold 21.1 million watches, down 13%. It was the first year that Apple’s watch sales topped the Swiss watch sector."
I am not sure I've ever seen an Apple Watch.
irwin posted:Quote from Reuters:
"(AAPL) sold more watches in 2019 than the entire Swiss watch industry, according to new data from the research firm Strategy Analytics. For the year, Apple (ticker: AAPL) sold an estimated 30.7 million watches, up 36% from the previous year, while the entire legendary Swiss watch industry sold 21.1 million watches, down 13%. It was the first year that Apple’s watch sales topped the Swiss watch sector."
I am not sure I've ever seen an Apple Watch.
Irwin, I’m sure you have. They look like an iPhone tied to their wrist.
The Apple “watch” is not a watch per se in my opinion. It is a lifestyle device and a computer that can also tell you the time. I also have a similar opinion about the iPhone. I like most people use my iPhone for hours a day and actually talking on the phone is not the primary purpose I use it. It too is a computer that I can use as a phone.
As for the Swiss watch industry, their competition is not smart devices. While there are people that collect fine watches that also own a smart device, it isn’t their concern. Their competition is a growing German industry of excellence timepieces, Grand Seiko’s growing market share and praise by horology experts, the fervor for vintage timepieces continues and what hurt them deeply last year were the issues in Hong Kong and China. Hong Kong has been the biggest marketplace for fine Swiss watches for over a decade now.
In my opinion, the Apple watch someone is wearing today will be at the bottom of their drawer next to their other outdated phones, fitnesses devices and such in a few years. Conversely, fine watches say from $5000 to six figures will be worn, collected, given to family members or sold as an asset or traded for other fine timepieces.
On a side note, I just last week had to update my insurance on my collection since I bought four new pieces recently. My agent said there was a time I was one of only a handful of his clients that insured their watches. He said such insurance is now a growing part of his overall business.
Interested in a unique Patek Philippe watch? From a followup Antique Roadshow starting a little after the 20 minute mark.
The Old Man posted:Interested in a unique Patek Philippe watch? From a followup Antique Roadshow starting a little after the 20 minute mark.
I have owned two PP watches over the years. Both were 37mm which I struggle with a little.
PP is a highly collectible timepiece. Eric Clapton had a stunning PP that he wore while playing often. The watch sold for 3.6M
Pocket watches can still be affordable in the vintage world.
Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
Photo, please!
snipes posted:napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃
Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.
IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of.
Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development.
Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it!
wineart 2 posted:snipes posted:napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃
Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.
IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of.Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development.
Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it!
The only way I'd ever get that sucker wet is if I got caught in a downpour. I hear you on the spelling, it's mangled more often than spelled correctly. I fell into it this time as well. Looking forward to it...
snipes posted:napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
Silver-plated Dial...I'll post pictures tomorrow.
wineart 2 posted:snipes posted:napacat posted:Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years. Just a beautiful watch.
What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine.
Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃
Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.
IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of.Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development.
Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it!
Yes REF 3714. I have heard of Richard Habring...did not know he had his own brand though. I am going to check it out. Correct on the Portugieser...thanks for pointing that out...always say Portuguese.
Photos of the watch.
napacat posted:Photos of the watch.
Very nice! 
Thanks...sorry for the upside down photo.
Thanks to W+A, I have purchased my 3rd watch based off his initial recommendation 10+ years ago. On its way from Panerai for an early Christmas present to myself.
PAM 1537
@Marcb77 posted:Thanks to W+A, I have purchased my 3rd watch based off his initial recommendation 10+ years ago. On its way from Panerai for an early Christmas present to myself.
PAM 1537
Very nice, the hobnail dial looks great as well.
@Marcb77 posted:Thanks to W+A, I have purchased my 3rd watch based off his initial recommendation 10+ years ago. On its way from Panerai for an early Christmas present to myself.
PAM 1537
He changed his mind over the last decade; it's a terrible watch.
@Marcb77 posted:Thanks to W+A, I have purchased my 3rd watch based off his initial recommendation 10+ years ago. On its way from Panerai for an early Christmas present to myself.
PAM 1537
Well, well. Look what the cat brought home!
Marcb, wonderful to see you. How in the world have you been?
I have added probably 3 dozen? watches since our last visit. 🙃. Bad habit!
Wearing a recent purchase this morning; the Parmigiani Ferrer Tonda GT Tondagraph. A panda annual calendar Chrono with integrated bracelet.
A nice watch to enjoy a fine cigar with!
Doing very well my friend!! Hope all is well with you and yours.
Almost pulled the trigger on a Patek...but the my better half wants a lake house 
@Marcb77 posted:Doing very well my friend!! Hope all is well with you and yours.
Almost pulled the trigger on a Patek...but the my better half wants a lake house
Good to hear all is well.
I sold a Patek 5137R this year. I hadn’t worn it but a couple of times the past few years and it seemed to fast becoming my ‘funeral’ watch.🙃. It didn’t really fit either of my son-in-laws lifestyle much either. They have others they would like.
Good luck with the lake house. We sold ours when our youngest took off for college and bought a casa in Santa Fe…. It is always something, so find the Patek or A. Lange & Sohne or AP or VC or…you want!
W+A, do you think Rolex is a nice "investment" watch? Ive never been too fond of Rolex but there style is wearing on me. I like the Daytona, rubber band, not metal but they are almost impossible to find, and if you can find them prepare to pay above retail. So I will most likely wait a bit.
However, I did pull the trigger last night on a IWC Portugieser Automatic last evening. Been reading nice things about IWC and how they tend to hold value. Did I make a mistake? Quite frankly, it may be too big for my wrist so it will go back if it doesnt fit. Should be here Monday. Be well my friend
Marcb77,
Congratulations on your IWC. Did you buy their 40mm? If so, I think it will be fine for you.
Rolex Daytona. There has never been a worse time to buy if you are looking at their 116500LN with ceramic bezels. Like all Rolex sport watches, they simply do not currently exist from Rolex AD’s. If you could walk into a Rolex AD and buy the Daytona it is only $14,500. The current price for a used 116500LN is $38,000 and rising.
If you like the SS bezels in lieu of ceramic like the 116520 they can be had for $24-$25,000. I just sold one that was from 2007 for $24k. The Daytona IMO wears smaller than you would think. More like a 38mm than 40mm.
I have sold 9 Rolex in the past year as demand is crazy. New GMT’s Pepsi, Root Beer or Batman keep going up weekly. I sold my 16710 Pepsi that I bought over 20 years ago for 3 times what I paid.
W+A
Yes, I have noticed the lack of new Daytona's available and the increase in price...I suppose I will just wait because in that price range there a few other watches I would prefer. Ive already told the better half that after we own a lake house my next watch will either be a Patek or a AP.
The IWC I purchased is the 42mm, black face, 7 day reserve. I have a 42mm Panerai that just "just" fits. I know I cant go bigger than 42. If it doesnt fit, then I make purchase the Ingeneur, 41mm, 18K gold, black face. The wife isnt sold on gold however....and Im not sure either.
W+A, do you buy previous owned typically? If so, whom do you trust? All my purchases have been new. My other issue is we do not have any high end watch stores within a 60 mile radius, so Im restricted to ordering online direct.
Any other suggestions?
I've bought from forumites at watchzone. They are like us but with watches instead of wine but even more exacting. Chrono24 is another good go to.
The IWC wears big I found.
Family and friends have purchased from Chrono24 and been pleased with the transaction.
Thanks Rob, and unfortunately you were right, the IWC is just a tad too big. Back to the drawing board...looking at JLC and VC now. Obviously the Overseas is not available, I have added my name to the list. They will most likely be calling when Im ready to make another purchase so it may work out.
Opinions on JLC or VC? Anyone?
Which JLC? I have 2 and absolutely love them.
@Marcb77 posted:Thanks Rob, and unfortunately you were right, the IWC is just a tad too big. Back to the drawing board...looking at JLC and VC now. Obviously the Overseas is not available, I have added my name to the list. They will most likely be calling when Im ready to make another purchase so it may work out.
Opinions on JLC or VC? Anyone?
Marc, IWC does have 40mm available.
The JLC Reverso has been a classic timepiece for 91 years and is a must own in my horology world, as are both the Cartier Tank and Santos.
As for VC, I prefer their offerings without debate over current AP offerings. Don’t sleep on A. Lange & Sohne. Brilliant watches!
I will look to see if I can find your email. I rarely ever buy new unless new is less expensive like Rolex and PP are often. There are so many trusted dealers I have bought from for in some cases decades that have mint, mint plus and like new offerings with warranties. Let me email you with thoughts and contacts including pros & cons.
As for the very special cigar you gifted me, I thoroughly enjoyed her on May 1st last year. Stunning!
W+A,
Id love to hear some more in regards to buying "used" versus new. I am always concerned about inherited someone else's issue and the lack of warranty on the piece. Not sure how I can provide you my email privately if you dont have it already.
@Marcb77 posted:W+A,
Id love to hear some more in regards to buying "used" versus new. I am always concerned about inherited someone else's issue and the lack of warranty on the piece. Not sure how I can provide you my email privately if you dont have it already.
I sent a text to Stickman to see if he had your email. I couldn’t find it.
@Marcb77 posted:W+A,
Id love to hear some more in regards to buying "used" versus new. I am always concerned about inherited someone else's issue and the lack of warranty on the piece. Not sure how I can provide you my email privately if you dont have it already.
I think I only have one or two watches that were bought new. In almost all of the other cases I bought an absolute mint condition watch for significantly less than new.
VC and JLC are in the same tier as AP and above IWC imho. Both w+a and I have Reversos, mine a duotime and I think w+a has a squadra. CSM has an ultrathin. They are superb, generational watches. In the same price point as the IWC you were looking at, look at a master compressor, same type of technical,tool watch feel and a great watch.
@robsutherland posted:I think I only have one or two watches that were bought new. In almost all of the other cases I bought an absolute mint condition watch for significantly less than new.
VC and JLC are in the same tier as AP and above IWC imho. Both w+a and I have Reversos, mine a duotime and I think w+a has a squadra. CSM has an ultrathin. They are superb, generational watches. In the same price point as the IWC you were looking at, look at a master compressor, same type of technical,tool watch feel and a great watch.
As always, Rob is spot on. JLC is a top shelf watch manufacturer. There is a reason they are known as “ The watchmakers watch.”
I appreciate all the advice. My issue with the master from JLC is im not too crazy about the brown strap and im not sold on the silver face. Perhaps a different color strap would make it more appealing to my eye. Also a few of the Master compressors are a bit busy, again, something Im not used to since Ive really only been wearing Panerai.
Comparing this watch to the 56 from VC...any opinions? I prefer the overseas but I will not be paying 10K over list, Ill wait a few years for my phone call.
Lastly, when you guys buy, whether its "used" or new from someone other than the manufacturer does it carry the same warranty? Thanks so much!!
Super simple to change the straps. W+a and I both have guys to make you something. Take a look at combat_straps on Instagram for instance. He's done a bunch of straps for my wife's pam111.
I've never used a new watch warranty. Nothing breaks until after the warranty expires...
pretty embarrassed Rob...Im not on instagram or facebook. Is there a website? If not, ill figure it out.
Funny about the warranty...kind of like cars. Although some of the manufacturers now are adding 5-6 years if the watch is registered...so a 7-8 year warranty (depending on what it covers of course) isnt terrible. But probably not worth the few K you save by buying elsewhere.
Ive never sent a watch for repair, so not sure what that typically costs.
Rob is correct I have an ultrathin. Also have a master compressor Chronograph. Probably my favourite timepiece. Looks great with a suit or jeans.
Odd. I received a notice haggis posted about buying a new watch, yet I can’t find the post.
