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"(AAPL) sold more watches in 2019 than the entire Swiss watch industry, according to new data from the research firm Strategy Analytics. For the year, Apple (ticker: AAPL) sold an estimated 30.7 million watches, up 36% from the previous year, while the entire legendary Swiss watch industry sold 21.1 million watches, down 13%. It was the first year that Apple’s watch sales topped the Swiss watch sector."

I am not sure I've ever seen an Apple Watch.

irwin posted:

Quote from Reuters:

"(AAPL) sold more watches in 2019 than the entire Swiss watch industry, according to new data from the research firm Strategy Analytics. For the year, Apple (ticker: AAPL) sold an estimated 30.7 million watches, up 36% from the previous year, while the entire legendary Swiss watch industry sold 21.1 million watches, down 13%. It was the first year that Apple’s watch sales topped the Swiss watch sector."

I am not sure I've ever seen an Apple Watch.

Irwin, I’m sure you have. They look like an iPhone tied to their wrist. 

The Apple “watch” is not a watch per se in my opinion. It is a lifestyle device and a computer that can also tell you the time. I also have a similar opinion about the iPhone. I like most people use my iPhone for hours a day and actually talking on the phone is not the primary purpose I use it. It too is a computer that I can use as a phone. 

As for the Swiss watch industry, their competition is not smart devices. While there are people that collect fine watches that also own a smart device, it isn’t their concern. Their competition is a growing German industry of excellence timepieces, Grand Seiko’s growing market share and praise by horology experts, the fervor for vintage timepieces continues and what hurt them deeply last year were the issues in Hong Kong and China. Hong Kong has been the biggest marketplace for fine Swiss watches for over a decade now. 

In my opinion, the Apple watch someone is wearing today will be at the bottom of their drawer next to their other outdated phones, fitnesses devices and such in a few years. Conversely, fine watches say from $5000 to six figures will be worn, collected, given to family members or sold as an asset or traded for other fine timepieces.

On a side note, I just last week had to update my insurance on my collection since I bought four new pieces recently. My agent said there was a time I was one of only a handful of his clients that insured their watches. He said such insurance is now a growing part of his overall business.  

The Old Man posted:

Interested in a unique Patek Philippe watch? From a followup Antique Roadshow starting a little after the 20 minute mark.

I have owned two PP watches over the years. Both were 37mm which I struggle with a little. 

PP is a highly collectible timepiece. Eric Clapton had a stunning PP that he wore while playing often. The watch sold for 3.6M 

Pocket watches can still be affordable in the vintage world.

snipes posted:
napacat posted:

Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years.  Just a beautiful watch.

What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. 

Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃

Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.

IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of. 

Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development. 

Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it! 

wineart 2 posted:
snipes posted:
napacat posted:

Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years.  Just a beautiful watch.

What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. 

Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃

Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.

IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of. 

Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development. 

Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it! 

The only way I'd ever get that sucker wet is if I got caught in a downpour. I hear you on the spelling, it's mangled more often than spelled correctly. I fell into it this time as well. Looking forward to it...

snipes posted:
napacat posted:

Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years.  Just a beautiful watch.

What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. 

Silver-plated Dial...I'll post pictures tomorrow.

wineart 2 posted:
snipes posted:
napacat posted:

Finally purchased the IWC Portuguese Chronograph I have been wanting for years.  Just a beautiful watch.

What color is the dial? I have a Portuguese 7 day with the champagne dial and it's an absolute beauty. Love the thing. Hope you enjoy yours as much as I enjoy mine. 

Gentlemen, umm, Portugieser, please. 🙃

Snipes, next time we enjoy wine together please wear your IWC. I seem to recall you might want me to wear a Jaeger LeCoultre. Just remind me.

IWC, one of the very earliest large timepieces. Their reference 325 was 43mm in the ‘50’s which was unheard of. 

Is your watch the 3714 reference which has been their go-to for over 20 years now? The always rock solid modified Valjoux chronograph is a proven movement. Do you know the watchmaker, Richard Habring? He started his own brand named Habring2 after leaving IWC. He drove their Rattrapante development. 

Snipes, keep in mind your watch is only splash proof with a 30 ATM rating so never swim with it! 

Yes REF 3714.  I have heard of Richard Habring...did not know he had his own brand though.  I am going to check it out.   Correct on the Portugieser...thanks for pointing that out...always say Portuguese.   

@Marcb77 posted:

Thanks to W+A, I have purchased my 3rd watch based off his initial recommendation 10+ years ago. On its way from Panerai for an early Christmas present to myself.



PAM 1537

Well, well. Look what the cat brought home!

Marcb, wonderful to see you. How in the world have you been?

I have added probably 3 dozen? watches since our last visit. 🙃.  Bad habit!

Wearing a recent purchase this morning; the Parmigiani Ferrer Tonda GT Tondagraph. A panda annual calendar Chrono with integrated bracelet.

A nice watch to enjoy a fine cigar with!

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@Marcb77 posted:

Doing very well my friend!! Hope all is well with you and yours.



Almost pulled the trigger on a Patek...but the my better half wants a lake house

Good to hear all is well.

I sold a Patek 5137R this year. I hadn’t worn it but a couple of times the past few years and it seemed to fast becoming my ‘funeral’ watch.🙃. It didn’t really fit either of my son-in-laws lifestyle much either. They have others they would like.

Good luck with the lake house. We sold ours when our youngest took off for college and bought a casa in Santa Fe…. It is always something, so find the Patek or A. Lange & Sohne or AP or VC or…you want!

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