It's interesting (to me anyway) that the vast majority of the names are all under conglomerate ownership of a very few. Predominantly Richemont & LVMH for watches (same with most all lux goods brands really, with the addition of a very few add'l names)
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Originally posted by KSC02:
It's interesting (to me anyway) that the vast majority of the names are all under conglomerate ownership of a very few. Predominantly Richemont & LVMH for watches (same with most all lux goods brands really, with the addition of a very few add'l names)


K, just like your business and your new role ... know your audience and speak their language. Wink
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Rob, the Glashutte senator is a watch I have nearly bought twice now.

The thing worth watching to me is, what if PP only produces this watch for one or two years. If that happens, the $47k will be a nice buy.

I'm a fan of Zenith's pilot watches.


Glashutte is under appreciated. The Senator comes in so many great iterations...

You're right Zenith makes a great pilot watch. I'm especially fond of the Type 20 and because it doesn't use the el-primero it's very reasonable.

And I guess I agree that the PP pilot might be a smart buy and it's a great looking watch, I'm just surprised that Patek went in that direction. It's not them. Then again the PP I'm lusting over (5164/A) most people scoff at and it's the same movement so...
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Originally posted by Řøß_ŚƱŧȞƎƦĿǣɴđ:


And I guess I agree that the PP pilot might be a smart buy and it's a great looking watch, I'm just surprised that Patek went in that direction. It's not them.


Completely agree, not what you think of when thinking about PP. It was the show stopper at the 2015 Baselworld this year.
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Originally posted by Wine doc:
The new Patek Pilot watch is indeed a beauty.
Certainly breaks the mold.
As an investment vehicle, it certainly will not lose value and stands to gain a great deal. I received a Calatrava (5296G-001) as a wedding gift 8 years ago, and it is already priced nearly 70% higher.


I cannot wait to see what your get for your 10 year anniversary! Cool
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by Wine doc:
The new Patek Pilot watch is indeed a beauty.
Certainly breaks the mold.
As an investment vehicle, it certainly will not lose value and stands to gain a great deal. I received a Calatrava (5296G-001) as a wedding gift 8 years ago, and it is already priced nearly 70% higher.


I cannot wait to see what your get for your 10 year anniversary! Cool

Big Grin indeed!
So, I need some quick advice.

My 13 year old wants to buy himself a watch. He's interested in a Fossil Townsman Automatic stainless steel watch. Looks like it runs for about $250.

I know nothing about the Fossil brand. I do know that at that price range, he could look at a Seiko, Hamilton or Citizen.

Anyone know anything about Fossil?

I'd like him to make his own choice, but if the difference in quality is large enough to point him towards something else, I might "suggest" a different brand.

Thanks.
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Originally posted by Rothko:
So, I need some quick advice.

My 13 year old wants to buy himself a watch. He's interested in a Fossil Townsman Automatic stainless steel watch. Looks like it runs for about $250.

I know nothing about the Fossil brand. I do know that at that price range, he could look at a Seiko, Hamilton or Citizen.

Anyone know anything about Fossil?

I'd like him to make his own choice, but if the difference in quality is large enough to point him towards something else, I might "suggest" a different brand.

Thanks.


Rothko . . . these are fairly decent watches which, if memory serves, is owned by the Swatch Group. My nephew has a fossil watch (not that particular one); bangs it up pretty good and is has lasted a while.

Hamilton is certainly more of a "legitimate" watch for a burgeoning watch aficionado than Fossil in this price category. One other watch you might want to check out is Shinola. not sure of price point but this is an American brand. Odd name, yes, but they have some pretty nice looking designs, will be pretty distinctive (if your son cares about that) and have gotten pretty good press about their movements
Rothko, I agree with Rob.

Fossil is a company started and based in Dallas, and produces many fashion items, including watches. They also make many other fashion watches under different branding.

They bought out Zodiac ( Swiss based) watches years ago, and for their price point seem to be very popular.

As for Shinola, they buy movements out of the Far East or from ETA, and are in the $500-$1000 price point I think. As I said, I agree with Rob. He will be proud of his Fossil and a great start to his passion of horology. Big Grin
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Rothko, I agree with Rob.

Fossil is a company started and based in Dallas, and produces many fashion items, including watches. They also make many other fashion watches under different branding.

They bought out Zodiac ( Swiss based) watches years ago, and for their price point seem to be very popular.

As for Shinola, they buy movements out of the Far East or from ETA, and are in the $500-$1000 price point I think. As I said, I agree with Rob. He will be proud of his Fossil and a great start to his passion of horology. Big Grin


Shinola buys movements from Far East? They have done some crafty advertising then because all their advertisements highly suggest they are an all-American brand. Good to know
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
I would say the fact that your 13 year old is interested in an analogue, automatic watch is good enough right now! I wouldn't push him and just be happy he doesn't want to use his phone to check the time!


And kudos to him for not jumping on an I-watch!
Thanks for the advice.

I think I'll just keep my mouth shut and let him buy the Fossil that he wants.

And, yes, I agree it's great to have a son who is interested in wearing a watch. I bought a watch for my older son, and he wore it like 20 times and then stopped.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Rothko, I agree with Rob.

Fossil is a company started and based in Dallas, and produces many fashion items, including watches. They also make many other fashion watches under different branding.

They bought out Zodiac ( Swiss based) watches years ago, and for their price point seem to be very popular.

As for Shinola, they buy movements out of the Far East or from ETA, and are in the $500-$1000 price point I think. As I said, I agree with Rob. He will be proud of his Fossil and a great start to his passion of horology. Big Grin


Shinola buys movements from Far East? They have done some crafty advertising then because all their advertisements highly suggest they are an all-American brand. Good to know


K, I sent you an email.
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Originally posted by Parcival:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Rothko, I agree with Rob.

Fossil is a company started and based in Dallas, and produces many fashion items, including watches. They also make many other fashion watches under different branding.

They bought out Zodiac ( Swiss based) watches years ago, and for their price point seem to be very popular.

As for Shinola, they buy movements out of the Far East or from ETA, and are in the $500-$1000 price point I think. As I said, I agree with Rob. He will be proud of his Fossil and a great start to his passion of horology. Big Grin


Shinola buys movements from Far East? They have done some crafty advertising then because all their advertisements highly suggest they are an all-American brand. Good to know


I just looked it up. Shinola watches are assembled in Detroit, but use a "Swiss" movement made by Ronda. To call it a "Swiss" movement, I believe it must be designed in Switzerland, the design must have been originally made in Switzerland, and must contain a certain percentage of Swiss parts (maybe 30%?), but it can use parts from, and be put together in another country, and still be called "Swiss". In this case, it seems the movements are made either in Hong Kong or Thailand. This fact has raised criticism of the brand image (thus the nickname "Chinola"). But since the Shinola product actually does result in real jobs in the city of Detroit, most of the criticism has faded. Even if it's not 100%, it is more "American" than Seiko or Tag Hauer, for example. I believe Tag has been known to use similar Asian made "Swiss" movements in some of their watches from time to time.
I really like my Shinola. Wearing it today in fact for casual Friday. I don't think you buy a watch like Shinola for it's "movements". At least I don't. This is not something I'm going to be holding onto for 20 years. It's a stylish casual watch that I can where when I'm running around on the weekends. If it gets banged up or stops working after a couple of years, no big deal.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I really like my Shinola. Wearing it today in fact for casual Friday. I don't think you buy a watch like Shinola for it's "movements". At least I don't. This is not something I'm going to be holding onto for 20 years. It's a stylish casual watch that I can where when I'm running around on the weekends. If it gets banged up or stops working after a couple of years, no big deal.


Glenn, they have found an audience it seems as a fashion watch for sure, and interesting how they and Fossil ( same ownership/ holding company) are separating their brand from other quartz watches.

I really thought Shinola would move towards thermocompensated quartz to help justify their cost.

I saw several handsome Shinola watches in Santa Fe recently.
The original alligator strap for my IWC pilot was getting worn out so I visited the local IWC store and swapped for a kevlar strap. Gives it a much more sporty look which works better for me as a daily watch.

IWC store is a dangerous place to visit. Lots of cool stuff in there.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
The original alligator strap for my IWC pilot was getting worn out so I visited the local IWC store and swapped for a kevlar strap. Gives it a much more sporty look which works better for me as a daily watch.

IWC store is a dangerous place to visit. Lots of cool stuff in there.


Glenn, I hope you like it. Are they comfortable at first, or need breaking in?

ANY fine timepiece store is indeed dangerous. Wink
For fans of American made timepieces, the closest by far currently ( sorry Shinola) is Weiss Watch Company. I received an email from them yesterday that they are making their own movement for a release late this year or 1Q next year. Their first release will be a limited release watch.

They are already making their own cases, dails, spring bar tools and buckles.
I recently took all my watches in for full servicing. Thankfully, I have a cousin in the business. Currently, I am wearing my Ulysses Nardin GMT and it is keeping perfect time. I will be wearing my older Tag next week while off on a fly in fishing trip.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
For fans of American made timepieces, the closest by far currently ( sorry Shinola) is Weiss Watch Company. I received an email from them yesterday that they are making their own movement for a release late this year or 1Q next year. Their first release will be a limited release watch.

They are already making their own cases, dails, spring bar tools and buckles.
Weiss is out of LA. Making some cool looking stuff. Different price point than Shinola so I would expect a different level of quality.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
For fans of American made timepieces, the closest by far currently ( sorry Shinola) is Weiss Watch Company. I received an email from them yesterday that they are making their own movement for a release late this year or 1Q next year. Their first release will be a limited release watch.

They are already making their own cases, dails, spring bar tools and buckles.
Weiss is out of LA. Making some cool looking stuff. Different price point than Shinola so I would expect a different level of quality.


Glenn, LA indeed. Cameron trained in Wostep ( enough said) then went to work for Vacheron Constantin before starting his own firm. He is a serious and talented watchmaker worthy of attention.

He is interested in true horology more than the strictly wealthy collector.
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
Their flieger has been my 'next watch' for a few years now. Kids & houses keep interupting this plan. Im also a fan of the archimede, but prefer the stowa.


Well vinoevelo, kids never go away completely ( Wink) but house payments do go away after 15-20 years.

Sometimes you just have to say .. screw it and go for it! Big Grin
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
Just got back my Rolex that belonged to my dad: it needed a good service after all these years. After a replaced crystal and bezel, it looks brand new. Also waiting for my AP Star Wheel to come back from the same watchmaker. It's still my favourite time piece. I wore the Sea Master down south for the wedding since I needed something to snorkel and dive with.



Bro, funny you mention Rolex & Dad. I had a Rolex once, but sold it within a year. Every time I wore it, I just thought of my Dad's generation. I think the same thing about Cadillac, Lincoln, Hart Schaffner Marx et al... my Dad's generation. Big Grin

If my Dad had left me a watch, I would cherish it as I know you do. I'm excited you are getting your Piguet serviced. This is truly one of the great watches in the world, period. ( envy!)

See you soon.


Okay, full disclosure... I may be becoming my Dad's generation. Big Grin

I went to pick up a ring my wife was getting work done on and saw a watch that caught my eye. I tried it on and then bought it. I was even shaking my head, much less my wife.

Bought the Rolex Datejust II black Roman dial with a smooth bezel. I really think it was the smooth bezel that caught my eye. Very clean juxtaposed against the Roman dial.

All this and I have a ' young' man in one of my wine groups pushing me to test drive a Cadillac something something like he owns. Cool
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I have a ' young' man in one of my wine groups pushing me to test drive a Cadillac something something like he owns. Cool


I have a CTS-V coupe and love it! The 2016 has 640 HP and handles like a track car.


That is indeed a lot of HP!
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I really like my Shinola. Wearing it today in fact for casual Friday. I don't think you buy a watch like Shinola for it's "movements". At least I don't. This is not something I'm going to be holding onto for 20 years. It's a stylish casual watch that I can where when I'm running around on the weekends. If it gets banged up or stops working after a couple of years, no big deal.


Got my wife a Shinola for Christmas, she loves it. Thinking of picking myself up one as an every day watch. Disappointed to hear they are not all-American, but as stated, they do a lot for Detroit and the area, so I'll continue to support.
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I really like my Shinola. Wearing it today in fact for casual Friday. I don't think you buy a watch like Shinola for it's "movements". At least I don't. This is not something I'm going to be holding onto for 20 years. It's a stylish casual watch that I can where when I'm running around on the weekends. If it gets banged up or stops working after a couple of years, no big deal.


Got my wife a Shinola for Christmas, she loves it. Thinking of picking myself up one as an every day watch. Disappointed to hear they are not all-American, but as stated, they do a lot for Detroit and the area, so I'll continue to support.


Shinola has found a place in the casual fashion watch market for sure. I'm not sure if I ever posted here or not, but I too bought one of their watches, the Brakeman Chrono.

There was a time America was serious in watchmaking, but that was 3-4 generations ago. There is momentum currently of America becoming a serious manufacturer once again. RGM I think is the leader with others like Hagar, Kobold, Oak & Oscar, Shinola and Weiss all finding their place.

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