Favorite “High End” QPRs

I thought I’d try to enliven the board a bit. Of the wines you think are truly top-flight, which ones (if any) are also great values?

Before I give my list, I have to shout out Burlotto Monvigliero, which used to be $50-$75, then got Galloni 100ed and is now $150++  for all vintages. 

The three remaining that most do this for me are:

Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs

Domaine de Chevalier Blanc

B. Levet Cote-Rotie La Chavoroche

 

However, a brief list of hororable mentions for one reason or another:

A.J. Adam Hofberg Riesling Spatlese

Beaucastel Chateauneuf du Pape Blanc

Paolo Bea Sagrantino Pagliaro Secco

Conti Costanti Brunello Riserva — just checked its current price.  Nevermind.

edited to add: Percarlo

Baumard Quarts de Chaume 

 

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mneeley490 posted:

Your list of QPRs are much higher than mine. Kudos to you, though!

Not about what I can afford to drink on an average night. 

I’m asking about what wines people have found that, in their opinions, are both truly *great* wines and also great values for their quality. 

+1 on carbonaione & german resiling.

Produttori- anything they make, at any price point offers great QPR in my books.

Lopez de heredia - same as above.

And as a general statement I'm always amazed at the relative QPR of sherry.  I've had $100 bottles of VORS that offer a level of complexity you dont see in wines costing 10x as much.

I just checked out going prices for Costanti Riserva, which I haven’t tried to buy in a few years. G-d, damnit. I suppose it is no longer an honorable mention. Add Percarlo to the HMs. Expensive, but a value nonetheless.

And agreed on Produttori. The basic Barbaresco is a screaming value and amazing non-guilty pleasure on a weeknight. The single vinyard stuff is exceptional value and frequently I consider “high end” in quality. 

Echo once again German Riesling

I’d add Austrian Riesling as well, things like FX Pichler

Chapoutier Chante-Alouette

Guiberteau and Francois Chidaine Chenin Blanc from the Loire

Huet of any and all ranges are still great QPR when stacked against other wines of equal quality

Charles Heidsieck BdM

Cédric Bouchard Champagne

MV Krug

While not a huge S. Rhone fan, I'd add Beaucastel to that list.

CVNE Imperial, Lisini BDM, Fuligni BDM (although the prices have increased significantly), Saffredi, Mastroberardino Radici, Jasmin Cote Rotie, Percarlo, Oreno. 

One caveat is that most of these wines require 10-15+ years in the cellar before they really start singing.

 

Multiple wines each from Dönnhoff, Keller (if you buy early, or even better, directly from the winery), Wittmann, W. Schäfer, JJ Prüm, AJ Adam, J. Haart, Falkenstein, Weiser Künstler...plus many, many more in Germany. You can get ageworthy, complex Riesling Kabinetts for under EUR10-.

Produttori

Lopez de Heredia (even the Gran Reservas remain good value IMO)

Telmo Rodriguez (some are v. expensive, but many are reasonable, and all I've tasted so far have been excellent)

A. Graillot, Levet, V. Paris, and I'm sure many others from N. Rhone

Tenuta delle Terre Nere

Various Blaufränkisch from Moric, Heinrich, Triebaumer, etc..

Ch. Lanessan, Sociando Mallet

Hard to stop...while it is frustrating when favourites become out of reach, there are so many good options these days. Sometimes the bigger challenge is simply finding the wines.

Suggestions based on allocation pricing shouldn’t be discussed, otherwise the lucky ducks who get Coche, DRC, Leroy, etc get to thank their lucky stars yet again.  Average retail cost should be the yardstick IMO.

These are a couple solid champers that don’t cost an arm and a leg..........

NV Diebolt-Vallois BdB  
NV Drappier Rose de Saignee  
pinotlvr posted:

Remember when you could get Don Melchor for about $35 and Clos Apalta for around $60?  They were damn good QPR's.  Now they seem to be around $80 and $110+ respectively.

+1 Those two ran through my mind when I read the title of this post. Though both are still stellar wines, and probably still have a quality ratio better than most, I can no longer put them at the top of my QPR list. Imagine if you could get these for sub $60 each? I'd be a buyer every year.

robsutherland posted:

Guiberteau and Francois Chidaine Chenin Blanc from the Loire

Hmmm, I need to try some more of these. Did have the base Saumur Blanc from Guiberteau last year and thought it was excellent. I'll be on the lookout for the 2015-2017 vintages when the SAQ releases them (hopefully).

A few others I forgot

Il Poggione, Brunello (both Fuligni and Costanti are disqualified due to the big price increases recently)

Petrolo, Galatrona

Domaine Tempier, Bandol, La Tourtine

thelostverse posted:
robsutherland posted:

MV Krug

I think this is a perfect example/answer to this question.  Yes, it is "expensive", but I always feel like I'm getting great value when I drink a bottle of MV Krug.

Could not agree more. 

Another one that comes to mind is a bottle of Gattinara from Travaglini vinoevelo shared with me earlier this year. It had some serious bottle age but recent vintages are still in the $30 range. 

mangiare posted:
thelostverse posted:
robsutherland posted:

MV Krug

I think this is a perfect example/answer to this question.  Yes, it is "expensive", but I always feel like I'm getting great value when I drink a bottle of MV Krug.

Could not agree more. 

Another one that comes to mind is a bottle of Gattinara from Travaglini vinoevelo shared with me earlier this year. It had some serious bottle age but recent vintages are still in the $30 range. 

Haven't had a Gattinara in many many years. Do I need to revisit it? I see it's in this week's release.

doubled posted:

For California, Ridge Monte Bello and Dunn Howell Mountain.

Castelgiocondo Brunello di Montalcino

Joh Jos Prum MSW Rieslings or any German Rieslings

the dunn howell is a QPR????

geez!

Dom de Chevalier blanc or rouge, i find to both be QPRs nowadays.

 

g-man posted:
doubled posted:

Dunn HM?  Absolutely.  You can sometimes find late 90’s for about a buck and change that is probably just entering its drinking window.  

The Monadi reserve is only 90-99$ if you wanted a better QPR

I dunno.  I've probably had a dozen Dunn HMs, including Petite Sirahs, and each time, they are always exceptional.

mangiare posted:
thelostverse posted:
robsutherland posted:

MV Krug

I think this is a perfect example/answer to this question.  Yes, it is "expensive", but I always feel like I'm getting great value when I drink a bottle of MV Krug.

Could not agree more. 

Another one that comes to mind is a bottle of Gattinara from Travaglini vinoevelo shared with me earlier this year. It had some serious bottle age but recent vintages are still in the $30 range. 

Interesting.  I could not disagree more on MV Krug.  I enjoy it but find other producers a better for the same or less.  Give me Vilmart all day over MV Krug for the same price or lower.

Some wines that come to mind for me are like Rob Riesling in general.  So many great wines for a song compared to other top white regions.  Lopez De Heredia is another I agree with.  Prices have come up but love the wines and still a value in aged fine wine.  

Benanti accross their whole range of wines I think is a screaming value and are truly great wines IMO.  The Pietramarina in particular is fantastic.  

doubled posted:
g-man posted:
doubled posted:

Dunn HM?  Absolutely.  You can sometimes find late 90’s for about a buck and change that is probably just entering its drinking window.  

The Monadi reserve is only 90-99$ if you wanted a better QPR

I dunno.  I've probably had a dozen Dunn HMs, including Petite Sirahs, and each time, they are always exceptional.

sounds like our next blind lineup is decided!

sunnylea57 posted:
mangiare posted:
thelostverse posted:
robsutherland posted:

MV Krug

I think this is a perfect example/answer to this question.  Yes, it is "expensive", but I always feel like I'm getting great value when I drink a bottle of MV Krug.

Could not agree more. 

Another one that comes to mind is a bottle of Gattinara from Travaglini vinoevelo shared with me earlier this year. It had some serious bottle age but recent vintages are still in the $30 range. 

Haven't had a Gattinara in many many years. Do I need to revisit it? I see it's in this week's release.

That was the first one I'd tried in years as well. FYI, it was a '97 riserva. 

pinotlvr posted:

Remember when you could get Don Melchor for about $35 and Clos Apalta for around $60?  They were damn good QPR's.  Now they seem to be around $80 and $110+ respectively.

SQN syrah was selling for around $40 on the shelves when it was first locally released. That didn't last very long.

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