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Originally posted by Flaco:
Not to offend anyone but Facebook and Twitter seem ridiculous to me.

Ridiculous is being nice.

They are both drains on our society. If you really have THAT much time to tell me what you are eating, reading, doing, spend it with your kids, reading a book or doing something creative for society.

Sort of like I should be doing now instead of posting on this damn forum.
I think I remember Mark showing up in my suggested friends list a few times. But since he has not yet sent me his CV, three each business and personal references, and a personal financial statement, I have never yet acted on it. Big Grin

Some of us have higher standards than others for their friends to avoid having their wall become lame. Cool

KSCO2: My last name is very distinctive and easily found when Googled which is why I don't use it here (personal and professional reasons). Then again, unfortunately I would not know yours either.

I will make exceptions for board members here. Best thing might be to have you contact WIML if you have his email and have him give you my name so we can hook up.

If you don't know WIML nor have his contact info, you are a nobody in the wine world and I am not interested. Big Grin

Moo
Facebook is a great way to keep in touch with friends, especially someone like me who has moved around a lot. I’m having fun with it. Twitter is not for me, but I can see the draw for a lot of people.

Always surprised by how polarizing the subject of Facebook and Twitter can me. Drains on society??? It’s just not that serious….
FB and Twitter are nothing but tools. How lame the sites are depends upon how lame your friends are. If your friends are tools, you will think FB and Twitter suck. To get philosophical for a moment, how much you enjoy the sites depends how much you enjoy your friends and is more a reflection of YOU and your taste in friends than a reflection of the web site.

No, I don't twit even though I have an account.

Moo
Yes to Facebook; no to Twitter.

I don't use it much, and I've never posted one of those "what are you doing right now" posts.

But I have been able to get in touch with some old friends and acquaintances.

I agree with Sacred Cow that Facebook can be as good or as bad as you want it to be.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
Facebook is a great way to keep in touch with friends, especially someone like me who has moved around a lot. I’m having fun with it.


I'm with Glennk - Facebook is pretty useful when you're living abroad. Don't really get Twitter though..
Lots of people are anti Facebook and I understand. What is really amazing to me however is how so many are using it for a business tool. I for one love to follow a lot of wineries on there, and really enjoy reading Wes Hagen's blog on there.

For those of you who are on there, feel free to add me. I see a bunch of you that are on, but I have no idea what your real names are, so feel free to add me, and leave a note that I know ya from the WS Board.

Sacred Cow, got ya this morning.

Cheers!

-mJ
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
I'm on there. Send me a friend request and I'll gladly accept it.

Cow/KSC, I'll do a friend suggest for you two.

Done. Thanks. Smile

So THAT'S what Cow looks like. I've yet to meet someone that looked like I pictured them before meeting them Big Grin
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
I'm on there. Send me a friend request and I'll gladly accept it.

Cow/KSC, I'll do a friend suggest for you two.

Done. Thanks. Smile

So THAT'S what Cow looks like. I've yet to meet someone that looked like I pictured them before meeting them Big Grin


Yes, Cow is my moniker though I look more like a jackass. I'll leave it up to you whether looks are deceiving. Cool

Moo
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
You can see a lot of real names/screen names on Facebook [url=http://www.facebook.


Not too sure I would have listed that link.


No big deal to me. You can friend up who you want, reject who you don't.
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Originally posted by indybob:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
You can see a lot of real names/screen names on Facebook [url=http://www.facebook.


Not too sure I would have listed that link.


No big deal to me. You can friend up who you want, reject who you don't.


Not really the point.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by indybob:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
You can see a lot of real names/screen names on Facebook [url=http://www.facebook.


Not too sure I would have listed that link.


No big deal to me. You can friend up who you want, reject who you don't.


Not really the point.


The point is the real names. Got it.
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Originally posted by indybob:
If someone signs up for the facebook group, then posts "Hi, I'm so and so!" they've gone past the point of non-approval. It doesn't appear that anybody is listing anybody else's name and moniker without approval.


Confused

See Cow response.
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Originally posted by klymkev:
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Originally posted by Flaco:
Not to offend anyone but Facebook and Twitter seem ridiculous to me.

Ridiculous is being nice.

They are both drains on our society. If you really have THAT much time to tell me what you are eating, reading, doing, spend it with your kids, reading a book or doing something creative for society.

Sort of like I should be doing now instead of posting on this damn forum.


I don't really see why taking 20 seconds to post your status prevents you from doing useful things for the rest of the day.
Anybody who post here every day and think that it is a waste of time to spend 5mn on facebook somewhat puzzles me to say the least..
It is a great tool for people away (like me) and it helps, in a certain way, to stay connected with your friends around the world.
At the end, it all depends on the use you want to make of it.
Now to say it is a drain on our society is way exaggerated. But of course everybody is entitled to his own opinion!

Just my 2 cents...
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
You can see a lot of real names/screen names on Facebook [url=http://www.facebook.


Not too sure I would have posted that link.

Since we now have a time clock on our editing allowances, I've requested Robert to delete said post, in the interest of preferred privacies. I agree that each person should have some control regarding their privacy. And since I saw the CDP photos prior to my reading the latest postings, I tagged some pics and now can't edit them.

DOH, I can be idealistic at times. As I believe they're MLV's photos, maybe she can edit? Red Face
I like facebook for keeping in touch.

OTOH, I don't care what kind of coffee one of my friends drinks morning to morning...nor do I want to read the idiotic political rants another friend posts. The "Hide" feature is all-important. As such, I'm not a twitter guy.

Photos is an issue. But can't you at least untag yourself, even in someone else's pictures?

I'm going to ad Mark shortly. I don't have other people real names, but feel free to look me up.
Montsant:

Go to privacy settings, profile, photos tagged of you. Change it to custom, only me, change networks to "none of my networks".

See if that works. I don't know any pictures on FB where I am tagged, but I THINK this might work. Try it and let me know.

I do agree that privacy settings can use a LOT more work before I am totally comfortable. But supposedly they are working on that.

Mike
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Originally posted by klymkev:
quote:
Originally posted by Flaco:
Not to offend anyone but Facebook and Twitter seem ridiculous to me.

Ridiculous is being nice.

They are both drains on our society. If you really have THAT much time to tell me what you are eating, reading, doing, spend it with your kids, reading a book or doing something creative for society.

Sort of like I should be doing now instead of posting on this damn forum.


Ok, so its ridiculous to Tweet about what one is eating but its OK to post here under 'what are you eating' or 'what are you drinking'... Isn't it kind of the same?
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Originally posted by latour67:
What's Facebook & Twitter?

Okay, my kids want me to sign up, but I tell them my life is already complicated enough! Why create the opportunity for more requirements? I'm hiding, and love it! Cool


I was with you, latour67, until a month or so ago. I finally signed up after being encouraged to by my kids. So I create an account. A few weeks later I ask my kids, "So why haven't you 'friended' me?" Confused
They looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. Probably for the best......

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by latour67:
What's Facebook & Twitter?

Okay, my kids want me to sign up, but I tell them my life is already complicated enough! Why create the opportunity for more requirements? I'm hiding, and love it! Cool


I was with you, latour67, until a month or so ago. I finally signed up after being encouraged to by my kids. So I create an account. A few weeks later I ask my kids, "So why haven't you 'friended' me?" Confused
They looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. Probably for the best......

PH

Inter-generational "friending" may not be the wisest thing given what people often post. Smile
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by latour67:
What's Facebook & Twitter?

Okay, my kids want me to sign up, but I tell them my life is already complicated enough! Why create the opportunity for more requirements? I'm hiding, and love it! Cool


I was with you, latour67, until a month or so ago. I finally signed up after being encouraged to by my kids. So I create an account. A few weeks later I ask my kids, "So why haven't you 'friended' me?" Confused
They looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. Probably for the best......

PH

Inter-generational "friending" may not be the wisest thing given what people often post. Smile


Nor is inter-relationship friending necessarily a good thing since the things other people post cannot be controlled. And that is not to say it is not the same thing, is it? Big Grin

Moo
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by latour67:
What's Facebook & Twitter?

Okay, my kids want me to sign up, but I tell them my life is already complicated enough! Why create the opportunity for more requirements? I'm hiding, and love it! Cool


I was with you, latour67, until a month or so ago. I finally signed up after being encouraged to by my kids. So I create an account. A few weeks later I ask my kids, "So why haven't you 'friended' me?" Confused
They looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. Probably for the best......

PH


Friend request sent. Cool
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
I was with you, latour67, until a month or so ago. I finally signed up after being encouraged to by my kids. So I create an account. A few weeks later I ask my kids, "So why haven't you 'friended' me?" Confused
They looked at me like I was speaking Swahili. Probably for the best......

PH


Friend request sent. Cool

Welcome to FB, PH Cool Big Grin
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Originally posted by MJAlbers:
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Originally posted by latour67:
wiml,

Joe, I would sign up if I can keep my Facebook account narrowed to you, otherwise I'm thinking this is going to be a giant King Kong, and the first contact would be my Jr High girlfriend! Eek
Perhaps an alias? Wink


Big Grin Big Grin
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Originally posted by TBird:
i know, when doing it on a wine board is just so much classier... Big Grin Big Grin

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Originally posted by Purple Teeth:
Have to admit though, for the most part, just another way to waste time.


So true. But at least here I can waste time with a better class of profligates. Wink Big Grin Big Grin
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by VinT:
For the record, I'm one of nine or so people left on earth who don't have a FB account.

I must be the second of 9 people then.


Add me to the list. I knew Fb was dangerous ages ago as they did not have specify in place and when then did still did not work

I avoid all of theses sites
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Originally posted by mangiare:
DD, a buddy of mine is a top ad exec and the things he’s told me they can do through each of our phones based on our behaviour is staggering.
Just remember, nothing is free.


after jailbreaking a few phones, the ad exec doesnt even know 1/4 of it =D
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Originally posted by irwin:
I'm not on FB........never have been.


+1. Never really been interested. If we are friends we talk or text. I'm fine with my 10 friends. Don't need 500. Plus, no one on earth is so interesting I need constant updates on their lives.
Interesting that so many people here are not on FB. I'm on it every day and love the capacity to keep in touch with friends and family all over the world, and to get to know better people I know only marginally. Many here and elsewhere have become far-flung friends far beyond what would be possible without FB. I don't think I could manage without it at this point.

And if anyone really thinks they are protecting their privacy by staying off FB, well to a certain extent they are probably right. But if anyone wants to know all about you, they can do it via your phone, as noted above, but also via your internet use, as I learned on a course I took for a previous career maybe 10 years ago.
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Originally posted by bman:
Interesting that so many people here are not on FB. I'm on it every day and love the capacity to keep in touch with friends and family all over the world, and to get to know better people I know only marginally. Many here and elsewhere have become far-flung friends far beyond what would be possible without FB. I don't think I could manage without it at this point.

And if anyone really thinks they are protecting their privacy by staying off FB, well to a certain extent they are probably right. But if anyone wants to know all about you, they can do it via your phone, as noted above, but also via your internet use, as I learned on a course I took for a previous career maybe 10 years ago.


Exactly bman. Every page view, click or comment you make online is being collected, analyzed and monetized all over the web. I get more direct targeted ads on most retail or news sites showing things I looked at an hour ago than I do on FB.

How much random junk email does one get these days that is tangentially related to a dr. visit you may have had or research you may have done online about something. It is what it is. One either drops off the internet or you do what you can to limit it, but most of our secrets are still out there someplace.
I have no illusions about my privacy online. Thats not why Im not on facebook. I just dont have the need to keep up with 500 people. I dont have the time to keep up with my actual friends. If I have any spare time I'd rather spend it talking with them or my kids, not messaging someone I went to high school with but haven't seen in 20 years.
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Originally posted by VinT:
This thread makes for an amusing read now, especially in light of recent news around Facebook and how its data has been (mis)used.

For the record, I'm one of nine or so people left on earth who don't have a FB account.


There must be more than 9 VinT. I counted six already and I make it 7. Never been on it. When the "inventor" referred to his customers as "dumb fucks" I paid attention.

I'm also one of the 9 people on the planet who do not have a portable GPS (aka mobile phone). Got rid of it when I retired.

Despite the above I agree that privacy is pretty much laughable in this day and age.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I have no illusions about my privacy online. Thats not why Im not on facebook. I just dont have the need to keep up with 500 people. I dont have the time to keep up with my actual friends. If I have any spare time I'd rather spend it talking with them or my kids, not messaging someone I went to high school with but haven't seen in 20 years.

I bet you had a myspace account before you got married. Big Grin
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Originally posted by steve8:
I'm also one of the 9 people on the planet who do not have a portable GPS (aka mobile phone). Got rid of it when I retired.
You don't have a cell phone? That is hardcore.

There is a guy I work with that doesn't have a cell phone either. If he is not at the office or at home, he can't be reached which is what he is going for.

He also doesn't own a TV so he might be the most extreme.
I open facebook maybe once a month but I use instagram daily. I find facebook harder to look at and full of people who think their opinion is very important on all types of subjects. I like instagram because the pictures can spur lots of side conversations. For example I have a lot of buddy's that are into food so if I'm trying out a new place or they are traveling to somewhere new it starts a lot of fun direct chats.

Also we have moved around a bit and we have friends that have moved that we don't get to see as often and I think it's great to see how they are doing and watch their kids grow up. I think it helps people stay in touch that might not otherwise.
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Originally posted by Merengue:
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Originally posted by irwin:
I'm not on FB........never have been.


+1. Only social media i use is twitter. Mostly for sports and wine.

Wine forums don't count as social media? How about participating in fantasy sports? Razz
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....


What are they moving to?

Snapchat? Instagram?

The latter is owned by FB.

Bfw
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....


What are they moving to?

Snapchat? Instagram?

The latter is owned by FB.

Bfw


weibo
wechat

basically a bunch of tencent properties.

and w+a, you're only looking at wechat/qq chat

the majority of their user base is gaming. They have well over 1 billion mobile gamers on their platform.

It's the largest gaming company in the world.
It looks like Facebook may be getting into a lot of trouble with the way they manage the data that they house and also the way they can affect the reach of various accounts and advertisers. There are claims of discrimination by Facebook with questionable decisions on whether a person/entity is "unsafe to the community" and limiting their "reach".

They are now in the business of determining whether people and their views are acceptable or unsafe and affecting their place on Facebook. And since money is being made using Facebook, this could be a quagmire of dealing with acceptable or unacceptable posts for the public viewing.
I have never used Facebook but do use other forms of social media. I use Twitter mainly for news feeds of my favorite subjects and post once a week some of my opinions, mostly on sports. In a shameless plug, I just started an Instagram account mainly for golf course pictures. I will do some food, hotels and landmarks, but mainly golf.

As for Zuckerburg, he was prepared by his counsel and lobbyists. He was evasive for sure.
Interestingly, Zuck says he wants AI to determine what is hate speech and he couldn't really define what that is during his testimony. How do you maintain free speech while trying to remove "hate" speech? It will be a challenge, especially when you have Millenials who think everything they disagree with is hate speech?
The best question of the day was from Durbin who asked Zuckerberg where he stayed last night and who did he message in the last week. But you're right, there weren't good follow ups. Then again, when was the last time Congress hearings yielded anything insightful or productive? I don't think the subject matter is the reason. In most cases, one group will be friendly and not ask tougher questions because of constituency, and another will be stupid because they lack the knowledge.
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


I think we all know that our information is being used by the company. However, I don't know that anyone knew that a friend sending you a link to a personality quiz, was an Opt-in for a developer to gain access to your personal information. I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.
Exactly, GlennK.

When you click on those stupid personality tests, or "what kind of dog would you be if you were a dog?", you're directed to third-party apps where you must click a link that gives the app access to your profile, personal info, and contacts on Facebook. You can modify what info is shared - or simply refuse to continue - but people are more interested in finding out what dog they look like than thinking about their privacy and how that information will be used.

That's how the professor in the UK came to "own" all that data. And when he sold the app to Cambridge Analytica, he sold the data as well, along with the rights for Cambridge Analytica to access any public data of those users' friends.

As Zuck said today (answering the question about which hotel he stayed in last night), every time a user posts a piece of content on Facebook, they are given the option of deciding who to share it with.

As for mining the user data and turning it into profit for FB, of course they do. Whatever you talk about in your feed, it can be used to target you with advertising. I'm a marketer, and we regularly place paid ads on Facebook and can target them to whomever we like - based on location, age, occupation, or interests. If you've posted something in your feed about photography, for example, I can target you with an ad for a camera. If you've posted extremist political content, I can target you with content that will reinforce your beliefs.

But privacy issues aren't exclusive to Facebook. Here's an example: if I'm doing marketing for a museum and they want to attract tourists who are currently visiting Toronto and who are likely to have an interest in visiting museums, I can target anyone who is within 50 feet of other museums in the city who is using a mobile phone from a non-Canadian provider. But that type of invasion of privacy doesn't make headlines.
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.

Easy. Go to the dropdown (the little arrow) in the far right of the blue Facebook header bar and select "Settings". Then in the lefthand menu you can select "Privacy" and adjust who can see your posts. Below that, select "Apps and Websites" and you can manage what you share with third-party apps.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


+1
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.

Easy. Go to the dropdown (the little arrow) in the far right of the blue Facebook header bar and select "Settings". Then in the lefthand menu you can select "Privacy" and adjust who can see your posts. Below that, select "Apps and Websites" and you can manage what you share with third-party apps.


Yep....
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


I think we all know that our information is being used by the company. However, I don't know that anyone knew that a friend sending you a link to a personality quiz, was an Opt-in for a developer to gain access to your personal information. I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.


Seriously? If you took the What Presidental Candidate Do You Best Align With? quiz you thought that information was what? Private, not sold, shared or trying to influence?
When I accepted the Terms and Conditions outlined by Facebook on my own free accord I am responsible for any information shared by me with this company. Same with everyone else, regardless of whether they actually read the User Agreement in its entirety.

So hopefully now everybody will be now more aware of the whole structure of Facebook and its benefits as well as potential pitfalls.
Facebook has started asking European and Canadian users to let it use facial recognition technology to identify them in photos and videos. Whoops.

Users outside the EU and Canada will be prompted to review a similar set of privacy controls in the coming months, but they will continue to be subject to facial recognition unless they opt out of the system. Most folks will never realize that this is possible. FB Privacy Policy is a sham.

Looks like 1984 is coming to the Internet!

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