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Originally posted by VinT:
This thread makes for an amusing read now, especially in light of recent news around Facebook and how its data has been (mis)used.

For the record, I'm one of nine or so people left on earth who don't have a FB account.


There must be more than 9 VinT. I counted six already and I make it 7. Never been on it. When the "inventor" referred to his customers as "dumb fucks" I paid attention.

I'm also one of the 9 people on the planet who do not have a portable GPS (aka mobile phone). Got rid of it when I retired.

Despite the above I agree that privacy is pretty much laughable in this day and age.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I have no illusions about my privacy online. Thats not why Im not on facebook. I just dont have the need to keep up with 500 people. I dont have the time to keep up with my actual friends. If I have any spare time I'd rather spend it talking with them or my kids, not messaging someone I went to high school with but haven't seen in 20 years.

I bet you had a myspace account before you got married. Big Grin
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Originally posted by steve8:
I'm also one of the 9 people on the planet who do not have a portable GPS (aka mobile phone). Got rid of it when I retired.
You don't have a cell phone? That is hardcore.

There is a guy I work with that doesn't have a cell phone either. If he is not at the office or at home, he can't be reached which is what he is going for.

He also doesn't own a TV so he might be the most extreme.
I open facebook maybe once a month but I use instagram daily. I find facebook harder to look at and full of people who think their opinion is very important on all types of subjects. I like instagram because the pictures can spur lots of side conversations. For example I have a lot of buddy's that are into food so if I'm trying out a new place or they are traveling to somewhere new it starts a lot of fun direct chats.

Also we have moved around a bit and we have friends that have moved that we don't get to see as often and I think it's great to see how they are doing and watch their kids grow up. I think it helps people stay in touch that might not otherwise.
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Originally posted by Merengue:
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Originally posted by irwin:
I'm not on FB........never have been.


+1. Only social media i use is twitter. Mostly for sports and wine.

Wine forums don't count as social media? How about participating in fantasy sports? Razz
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....


What are they moving to?

Snapchat? Instagram?

The latter is owned by FB.

Bfw
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Curious time for FB for sure. Even more curious the roll social media will play going forward.

I love FB as it has made me mucho money!

The facts are there are 1.5 billion people on FB everyday, more than all other social media combined. That is 1 of 5 people in the world and 1 of every 3 people that have access to internet. Changes are coming and needed.


nah

tencent has it beat in terms of users =)


Confused... less than a billion users from what I have read.

FB is quickly becoming outdated. Other media are taking its' place. My daughter, and most younger people, have left FB. Other choices more in tune with the times and trends....


What are they moving to?

Snapchat? Instagram?

The latter is owned by FB.

Bfw


weibo
wechat

basically a bunch of tencent properties.

and w+a, you're only looking at wechat/qq chat

the majority of their user base is gaming. They have well over 1 billion mobile gamers on their platform.

It's the largest gaming company in the world.
It looks like Facebook may be getting into a lot of trouble with the way they manage the data that they house and also the way they can affect the reach of various accounts and advertisers. There are claims of discrimination by Facebook with questionable decisions on whether a person/entity is "unsafe to the community" and limiting their "reach".

They are now in the business of determining whether people and their views are acceptable or unsafe and affecting their place on Facebook. And since money is being made using Facebook, this could be a quagmire of dealing with acceptable or unacceptable posts for the public viewing.
I have never used Facebook but do use other forms of social media. I use Twitter mainly for news feeds of my favorite subjects and post once a week some of my opinions, mostly on sports. In a shameless plug, I just started an Instagram account mainly for golf course pictures. I will do some food, hotels and landmarks, but mainly golf.

As for Zuckerburg, he was prepared by his counsel and lobbyists. He was evasive for sure.
Interestingly, Zuck says he wants AI to determine what is hate speech and he couldn't really define what that is during his testimony. How do you maintain free speech while trying to remove "hate" speech? It will be a challenge, especially when you have Millenials who think everything they disagree with is hate speech?
The best question of the day was from Durbin who asked Zuckerberg where he stayed last night and who did he message in the last week. But you're right, there weren't good follow ups. Then again, when was the last time Congress hearings yielded anything insightful or productive? I don't think the subject matter is the reason. In most cases, one group will be friendly and not ask tougher questions because of constituency, and another will be stupid because they lack the knowledge.
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


I think we all know that our information is being used by the company. However, I don't know that anyone knew that a friend sending you a link to a personality quiz, was an Opt-in for a developer to gain access to your personal information. I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.
Exactly, GlennK.

When you click on those stupid personality tests, or "what kind of dog would you be if you were a dog?", you're directed to third-party apps where you must click a link that gives the app access to your profile, personal info, and contacts on Facebook. You can modify what info is shared - or simply refuse to continue - but people are more interested in finding out what dog they look like than thinking about their privacy and how that information will be used.

That's how the professor in the UK came to "own" all that data. And when he sold the app to Cambridge Analytica, he sold the data as well, along with the rights for Cambridge Analytica to access any public data of those users' friends.

As Zuck said today (answering the question about which hotel he stayed in last night), every time a user posts a piece of content on Facebook, they are given the option of deciding who to share it with.

As for mining the user data and turning it into profit for FB, of course they do. Whatever you talk about in your feed, it can be used to target you with advertising. I'm a marketer, and we regularly place paid ads on Facebook and can target them to whomever we like - based on location, age, occupation, or interests. If you've posted something in your feed about photography, for example, I can target you with an ad for a camera. If you've posted extremist political content, I can target you with content that will reinforce your beliefs.

But privacy issues aren't exclusive to Facebook. Here's an example: if I'm doing marketing for a museum and they want to attract tourists who are currently visiting Toronto and who are likely to have an interest in visiting museums, I can target anyone who is within 50 feet of other museums in the city who is using a mobile phone from a non-Canadian provider. But that type of invasion of privacy doesn't make headlines.
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.

Easy. Go to the dropdown (the little arrow) in the far right of the blue Facebook header bar and select "Settings". Then in the lefthand menu you can select "Privacy" and adjust who can see your posts. Below that, select "Apps and Websites" and you can manage what you share with third-party apps.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


+1
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.

Easy. Go to the dropdown (the little arrow) in the far right of the blue Facebook header bar and select "Settings". Then in the lefthand menu you can select "Privacy" and adjust who can see your posts. Below that, select "Apps and Websites" and you can manage what you share with third-party apps.


Yep....
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Originally posted by mdsphoto:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm struggling seeing some of the outrage on the privacy discussion on Facebook. I've always figured nothing was private and they would always sell whatever information they could gather on me at anytime no mater what I opted in or out of and how I set up my account. It's a public company so the main goal is to provide a return for their shareholders. If you use it with that mindset its hard to be disappointed I guess.


I think we all know that our information is being used by the company. However, I don't know that anyone knew that a friend sending you a link to a personality quiz, was an Opt-in for a developer to gain access to your personal information. I also would like to know where all these controls are that Zuck kept referencing that allow us to Opt-out of everything.


Seriously? If you took the What Presidental Candidate Do You Best Align With? quiz you thought that information was what? Private, not sold, shared or trying to influence?
When I accepted the Terms and Conditions outlined by Facebook on my own free accord I am responsible for any information shared by me with this company. Same with everyone else, regardless of whether they actually read the User Agreement in its entirety.

So hopefully now everybody will be now more aware of the whole structure of Facebook and its benefits as well as potential pitfalls.
Facebook has started asking European and Canadian users to let it use facial recognition technology to identify them in photos and videos. Whoops.

Users outside the EU and Canada will be prompted to review a similar set of privacy controls in the coming months, but they will continue to be subject to facial recognition unless they opt out of the system. Most folks will never realize that this is possible. FB Privacy Policy is a sham.

Looks like 1984 is coming to the Internet!

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