Teflon coated cookware fumes from over heated teflon can kills caged birds. The chemicalsmay cause cancer, birth defects, immune system suppresion and increased heart attack and stroke. These are caused by flurine compounds.

Aluminium pans have been linked to Alzheimers

Plastic utelsils will mealt. Plastic containers break down when aging and release Bisphenol, upsets hormone balances, and miscarriages.

Stay with Clay, stainless steel, ceramic or glass. even cast iron is good
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What about my cyanide-lined pans? Are they bad as well?

Seriously, though, a few years ago I got rid of all of our aluminum pans because of the concern over leaching. The teflon pan was tossed out a long time ago.

Of course, you have no idea what restaurants are using, so if you dine out a lot you may have some concerns.
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Of course, you have no idea what restaurants are using, so if you dine out a lot you may have some concerns.



They are so filled with grease that food will not touch the pan. Razz

Many of the area resturants of high quality use Stainless. Some of the Chinesse have woks that are aluminium. Frown
Of course, you have no idea what restaurants are using, so if you dine out a lot you may have some concerns.

The higher the quality of restaurant, the higher quality of pans. Most middle of the run and corporate restaurants use aluminum pans. Aluminum pans are cheaper and readily fit into your average restaurants budget. They save the rest of the money for the smoke and mirrors in the dining room.
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Originally posted by flwino:

As an aside avoid lead crystal = Riedel



I believe lead crystal is safe as long as you don't store alcohol and other acidic liquids in it for long periods of time (i.e. weeks and months). You will be fine if you use Riedel glasses.
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Originally posted by Vinaigre:
I recently re-seasonned all of my cast iron cook wear.
I have a 8", 12" and 20" fry pan and a dutch oven.

I just love the heat distribution and when well season it can be a good as teflon.
Plus they are easy to clean up.


Can you cook eggs on those?
Sure can cook eggs on them.
I use the 10" as it belonged to my wifes grandmother so it is seasoned so well it is black as night and the surface is smooth.

The trick is to do the eggs on med low and have a nice spatula made of metal. No plastic, the eggs will just bunch up.

Can't flip them like you could with teflon. They are too heavy and the edges come up to sharp.
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Originally posted by flwino:
Teflon coated cookware fumes from over heated teflon can kills caged birds. The chemicalsmay cause cancer, birth defects, immune system suppresion and increased heart attack and stroke. These are caused by flurine compounds.

Aluminium pans have been linked to Alzheimers

Plastic utelsils will mealt. Plastic containers break down when aging and release Bisphenol, upsets hormone balances, and miscarriages.
Looks as though he speaks from experience.
Here's what Consumer Reports had to say about nonstick coatings on cookware in June 2007:

Nonstick pans are OK in new tests

Researchers have long known that very high temperatures can break down the coating in nonstick pans, creating fumes that can kill pet birds and possibly causing flulike symptoms in people. Whether other emissions are a problem even at moderate temperatures has been an open question. Our tests yielded largely reassuring results.

Lab studies suggest that perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), used in making nonstick coating, can cause cancer and birth defects in animals, and might pose a risk in humans. PFOA stays in the body for years and in the environment indefinitely. Working with a lab that specializes in PFOA, we bought nonstick pans from seven makers and repeatedly heated and washed some pans to simulate one, three, and six months of use. We then heated new and aged pans to 400° F, a cooking temperature well below the makers’ recommended maximum of 500° F, and measured PFOA in the air above the pans.

We found very little PFOA in the tested air samples. The highest level was about 100 times lower than levels that animal studies suggest are of concern for ongoing exposure to PFOA. With the aged pans, emissions were barely measurable.

CR’s take. Experts we consulted from government, industry, and environmental groups agree that the amounts of PFOA emitted by nonstick cookware probably don’t contribute much to your total PFOA exposure (the manufacture, use, and disposal of an array of products, including waterproof fabrics and electronic parts, can release PFOA into the environment). And research by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration suggests it’s very unlikely that significant amounts of PFOA migrate from pans into food. Still, it’s sensible to take a few precautions with nonstick cookware. Use ventilation when cooking, don’t put empty pans over very high heat, and toss pans that have started to flake. Flaking can cause uneven heating that might accelerate emissions.
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Originally posted by Vinaigre:
Sure can cook eggs on them.
I use the 10" as it belonged to my wifes grandmother so it is seasoned so well it is black as night and the surface is smooth.

The trick is to do the eggs on med low and have a nice spatula made of metal. No plastic, the eggs will just bunch up.

Can't flip them like you could with teflon. They are too heavy and the edges come up to sharp.


This may wierd some people out but I find the best way to buy cast iron pans is go to an estate auction and buy there. Chances are you can find pans that someone has been using to cook for the last 50 years, and the pans will be black and slick. They may have some cat hair on them or smell like stale old people, but just wipe 'em down and air it out. The 50 years of accumulated bacon grease makes them slicker 'n snot.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with CDR on this one. BS. Especially on the Bisphenol A nonsense. Flwino, you do realize there are many different types of plastic, right? Very few of them contain or were made with BPA. Better stop buying food in cans too.

Also, please link studies with definitive evidence that cooking with aluminum pans causes Alzheimer's. The brain of Alzheimer's victims produces aluminum, not the other way around.
I read a study that proves that everyone who has ever breathed has died.

Live your lives. Be happy. Our society has become so risk averse that we think damned near everything is dangerous. All the while, our quality of life, life spans, wealth and health improves each year. You are afraid of some pots and pans, but you drink a lot of wine? We all know the correlation and even factual studies that show the dangers of alcohol consumption, which I am sure among those on these boards is at the high end of the scale compared to the general population.

I always wonder why people extrapolate to the most terrifying possible ends that can come from a study. This is silly. We do not let children play dodgeball anymore, and we tell them they will get brain damage from soccer. They wear helmets to ride their bicycles and their teachers tell them we are killing the planet and hurting polar bears. Don't any of you see a problem here?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to make some omelettes for my family in my aluminum, teflon coated pans.
There are a number of posters on this forum, that given the chance, I'd fill their self cleaning ovens full of flaking non stick pans, seal up all the windows, doors and other ventilation, run through about four or five self clean cycles at 500+.

Please put your pets outside. Wouldn't want them to get sick..........
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Originally posted by cdr:
I read a study that proves that everyone who has ever breathed has died.

Live your lives. Be happy. Our society has become so risk averse that we think damned near everything is dangerous. All the while, our quality of life, life spans, wealth and health improves each year. You are afraid of some pots and pans, but you drink a lot of wine? We all know the correlation and even factual studies that show the dangers of alcohol consumption, which I am sure among those on these boards is at the high end of the scale compared to the general population.

I always wonder why people extrapolate to the most terrifying possible ends that can come from a study. This is silly. We do not let children play dodgeball anymore, and we tell them they will get brain damage from soccer. They wear helmets to ride their bicycles and their teachers tell them we are killing the planet and hurting polar bears. Don't any of you see a problem here?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to make some omelettes for my family in my aluminum, teflon coated pans.

Cell phones cause brain cancer...
Milk is bad for you...no, wait...it's OK...
Lycopene can help decrease the likelihood of prostate cancer...no, wait, perhaps it doesn't...
Egg yolks have lots of essential nutrients...no, wait, too much cholesterol...
Mimik,

Not urban myths, but strongly correllated events/activities. Millions who smoke never develop lung cancer, countless obese people live long, relatively healthy lives, we are bombarded with radiation daily and most of us either never get cancer, or our immune systems take care of things.

I guess my point in debating in this thread is that there is no such thing as a cost free benefit, and the preoccupation and paranoia so common in our times is counterproductive and saps many people from living happy, spontaneous and peaceful lives.
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Originally posted by cdr:
Millions who smoke never develop lung cancer, countless obese people live long, relatively healthy lives


That's ridiculous. It's a given that smoking is a leading cause of cancer and obesity shortens lives. Of course, there are some exceptions, but citing those exceptions proves nothing but an illogical mind.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by cdr:
Millions who smoke never develop lung cancer, countless obese people live long, relatively healthy lives


That's ridiculous. It's a given that smoking is a leading cause of cancer and obesity shortens lives. Of course, there are some exceptions, but citing those exceptions proves nothing but an illogical mind.


Ah Ha, but if you were a smoking obesity would that mean you'd shorten the lives of the cancer cells? Would you then live a longer healthier life? =)
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Originally posted by cdr:
there is no such thing as a cost free benefit, and the preoccupation and paranoia so common in our times is counterproductive and saps many people from living happy, spontaneous and peaceful lives.

Well said, cdr! Balance and awareness are certainly attributes and required. However your statement is justified and more true than many would care to admit.
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by cdr:
there is no such thing as a cost free benefit, and the preoccupation and paranoia so common in our times is counterproductive and saps many people from living happy, spontaneous and peaceful lives.

Well said, cdr! Balance and awareness are certainly attributes and required. However your statement is justified and more true than many would care to admit.


I am prone to nervousness, and I would be happier if I was not, no doubt. My aunt had cancer recently. Her digestive system and reproductive organs will never be the same again as they are gone, parts of her are sewn up and she gets to get checked out every couple of months, my uncle had esophagus cancer, actually survived the surgery that is risky, but still needs to be checked often, grandma Alzheimers-dead, grandpa: colon cancer - treated. These things happen to people and if chemicals in food storage, preparation,or preservation can contribute to risk and I choose to avoid them instead of walking around humming don't worry be happy I think it makes perfect sense. I like to be aware of this kind of stuff. Can't avoid everything but some stuff is easy.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by cdr:
Millions who smoke never develop lung cancer, countless obese people live long, relatively healthy lives


That's ridiculous. It's a given that smoking is a leading cause of cancer and obesity shortens lives. Of course, there are some exceptions, but citing those exceptions proves nothing but an illogical mind.


cdr's comments are factually correct. Lung cancer kills more than any other cancer, an estimated 161,000 in 2007. 15% of those deaths were people who never smoked, so it takes a long damn time to kill off 50 million+ smokers at a clip of 137k/yr.
So you think that smoking only increases the chance of lung cancer? What about emphysema and the more prevalent problems from loss of peripheral circulation? I don't begrudge people their right to smoke, but I laugh when they pretend it's not extremely likely to cause health problems. It's called the ostrich syndrome.

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