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Welcome Sloppy Joe to the boards!

I'm glad that you asked this question and tried to make the connection of when your hair loss started and when you started drinking wine.

For the most part, wine does NOT cause hair loss. Hair loss is primarily genetic, a gene carried by your MOTHER. If your mother has had significant hair loss, or a male on her side of the family (such as grandfather, uncle) then you are more proned to getting it.

Diseases and other medical conditions may also have a higher rate of hair loss, such as hypothyroidism. If you don't think its genetic, then go to your healthcare professional and tell them you are concerned about hair loss.

Using Rogaine may help individuals with hair loss. Most people would need to use it for atleast six months before you see any new hair growth. When someone first notice the hair growth, they will be tiny, fine baby hairs. But the only downside to the Rogaine is that one would have to use it for the rest of their life, or until they don't want the hair anymore.

Anyways, hope that helps and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask by posting on here.

Again, welcome!

[This message was edited by Sapril Nguyen on Oct 01, 2004 at 06:40 AM.]

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As a practicing dermatologist, I can tell you that there is no known link, statistical or anecdotal to drinking wine and alopecia of any kind.

I strongly disagree with the suggestion to simply go out and try some Rogaine, since I find it a relatively ineffective product after at least 20 years of patient experiences. I think a better suggestion would be to see a specialist, determine the reasons for your hair loss, and follow whatever advice you are given after a proper history, examination, and possible testing are performed. This may or may not involve the use of oral Propecia, a far more effective product than Rogaine.

Thanks Nguyen and rbond444 for the suggestion.
I know that hair loss is mainly a matter of heredity, but my hair loss is getting serious since I start drinking wine, so it's easy for me to relate them together.
I tried Rogaine for awhile but it doesn't work for me, although I believe it works for some other people.
Anyway, I'm using Biolyn, and probably will try out Propecia as well.
Thanks again.
rbond- can you help me debunk a myth (if it is in fact a myth). BTW, I'm speaking as a thoroughly bald man.

Sapril made a statement about the gene being passed through your mother, which I think is a confusion of x-linked inheritence vs sex-influenced traits. From my understanding baldness can run from either side of the family(it's not x-linke), but it usually only presents in men because of the the presence of testosterone (actually 5-DHT if I'm not wrong). Can you address this, I know this is NWR, but I'm curious what the dermatologic literature says.

Sloppy- embrace your baldness, there's nothing wrong with it and it doesn't make you less of a man. Of course if you're a woman the stigma is much worse.

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Sapril- Read again, why would I be worried? I'm bald. I stopped worrying about it about 15 years ago.

Just curious, are you in the medical profession?

Dick- hopefully you'll check back, I'm curious about the derm literature on this.

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Sapril- Rbond and I are both medical school graduates, and I think he confirmed that you and your colleagues are incorrect on this.

The gene(s) for baldness is(are) not x-linked. This is a common misconception because there is a sex prevalence. A good example of an x-linked gene is red/green color blindness (this is right up my alley, I'm an ophthalmologist), where the faulty gene lives on the x chromosome. People with one copy of the faulty gene (men) actually express the gene. Women with 2 copies of the gene (their father is colorblind and mother's father is colorblind, giving them a chance of getting 2 bad copies) actually express colorblindness. This is very rare, so about 90% of deuteranopes (red/green color blind) are men.

I believe what rbond (the dermatologist) confirms is that the baldness gene(or genes) are not on the x-chromosome but the expression of the trait is influenced by the presence of testosterone (or actually one of its metabolites, 5-DHT).

No offense meant to you or your classmates, but I gotta go with the experienced dermatologist on this one.

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You are probably right...but this is what they have taught us as undergrads and what we understand it. But I will double check with my professors before I admit I am completely wrong. I will also make sure when I have questions about retinal detachment and macular degeneration, I contact you. Wink

I personally am a "hair kind of woman." I just love it! Cool
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Sapril- sorry to be pissy but as an educator I hate medical myths, and this is one of them.

Eliminate the word "probably" from your latest statement and you can join me in being right. Also, if you don't believe a practicing dermatologist (rbond) then just google it, or check the NIH web site, do a search for alopecia and you'll find all the info you need to convince you. If your professors believe the same myth then do them a favor and educate them too. Red Face

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J Investig Dermatol Symp Proc. 2003 Jun;8(1):24-7. Related Articles, Links

Androgenetic alopecia in women.

Price VH.

University of California San Francisco, Department of Dermatology, San Francisco, California 94117, USA.

Androgenetic alopecia (AGA), also known in women as female pattern hair loss, is caused by androgens in genetically susceptible women and men. The thinning begins between ages 12 and 40 years, the inheritance pattern is polygenic, and the incidence is the same as in men. In susceptible hair follicles, dihydrotestosterone binds to the androgen receptor, and the hormone-receptor complex activates the genes responsible for the gradual transformation of large terminal follicles to miniaturized follicles. Both young women and young men with AGA have higher levels of 5alpha reductase and androgen receptor in frontal hair follicles compared to occipital follicles. At the same time, young women have much higher levels of cytochrome p-450 aromatase in frontal follicles than men who have minimal aromatase, and women have even higher aromatase levels in occipital follicles. The diagnosis of AGA in women is supported by early age of onset, the pattern of increased thinning over the frontal/parietal scalp with greater density over the occipital scalp, retention of the frontal hairline, and the presence of miniaturized hairs. Most women with AGA have normal menses and pregnancies. Extensive hormonal testing is usually not needed unless symptoms and signs of androgen excess are present such as hirsutism, severe unresponsive cystic acne, virilization, or galactorrhea. Topical minoxidil solution is the only drug available for promoting hair growth in women with AGA. Efficacy has been shown in double-blind studies using hair counts and hair weight.

Publication Types:
Review, Tutorial

PMID: 12894991 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
No one mentioned which part of the body hair loss is supposed to occur. Are we just talking head?

I noticed a definite increase in hair growth on my chest and stomach after getting into serious wine.

As a scientific experiment, however, the control was definitely lacking - it could just have been age.

Some advice: I always try to wash my hair with red wine from the inside.


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A more productive response, my husband has been using a scalp therapy system for the past year or so; Nioxin, available at most salons or beauty supply stores. It is a 3 step system--shampoo, conditioner and scalp therapy and he swears it is halting the hair loss. Which was not a huge problem but the hairline was starting to recede just a bit and I guess the Sampson in him started to freak out!

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