Rothko posted:

If you haven't checked out this site, you should:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis...40299423467b48e9ecf6

It's very cool.

It also demonstrates that this virus isn't going to be contained, and it's going to be global.

 

 

 

 

I believe the actual cases are dramatically above the documented cases, especially in China.  I wouldn't trust anything China says about the corona virus.  It will definitely spread, hopefully spring weather will help reduce the cases.  Several problems in dealing with this is the long timeframe for developing symptoms and transmission of the virus before getting any symptoms.

"Trump, seeking to tamp down fears of coronavirus, names Pence to lead response"

See, everything's under control. Pence issued his first guideline for dealing with the virus: "Pray."

The Old Man posted:

"Trump, seeking to tamp down fears of coronavirus, names Pence to lead response"

See, everything's under control. Pence issued his first guideline for dealing with the virus: "Pray."

Really.  This is scarier than the virus.  Why not have a medical professional, like Fauci, lead such an effort??

haggis posted:
The Old Man posted:

"Trump, seeking to tamp down fears of coronavirus, names Pence to lead response"

See, everything's under control. Pence issued his first guideline for dealing with the virus: "Pray."

Really.  This is scarier than the virus.  Why not have a medical professional, like Fauci, lead such an effort??

Of course.

Trump's incompetence may cost lives and livelihoods.  

flwino posted:

Pence has also stiffeled all media contact, except as approved by his office. 

Saves him from being caught alone in a room with a female. 

The Old Man posted:

This problem is being exacerbated by the incredible instability of the white-nationalist in-chief's staff and cabinet members. Because of course as a great businessman he only "hires the best people." Any business with this upper management turnover rate would find the CEO gone.

https://www.brookings.edu/rese...rump-administration/

The Board of Directors vote in November

The Old Man posted:

Though I'm in a very low panic mode I didn't find the UCLA Professor epidemiologist on Bill Maher very reassuring.

Samesies. 

On the way back into the US this past Saturday night, we were "screened" for coronavirus.

A person asked us if we had been to China in the prior 14 days. We said "no."  End of screening.

Not sure if this is feasible, but one wonders if the state department or homeland security has a computer base of people traveling on US passports who have used them to get into China or s. Korea or Italy or Iran  or other virus affected areas recently, and if inquiries can be made of those people to really assess the virulence of the virus.  Would such a "search" be deemed "unreasonable" (under the 4th amendment) particularly insofar as no criminal activity on the part of such a traveler would be suspected?  Would this be a scientifically sound approach?

There sure was a lot of coughing on the plane, though perhaps I was just more sensitive to it. Even in the Caribbean, when we entered Barbados, we had to fill out a paper about our travel in the past 14 days, and the same when we entered Grenada.

About 675,000 people died in 1918-1919 from the flu in the United States. A staggering number considering that the population then was about 1/3 of what we have now, so this is the equivalent of about 2 million deaths today.  Geez.

 

 

It's in Florida now.  Two patients, one of whom traveled in northern Italy; the other with no connections to prior locations.

brucehayes posted:
bomba503 posted:
brucehayes posted:

Now up to five deaths in the US.

Wrong thread

I don't think so.

Belongs in RIP thread youve become such a prolific poster in

I am a Sumo wrestling fan. If you'd like to get a preview of what might happen if basketball was played without an audience give the March tournament a watch.

5 cases in Maryland.  At least 4 associated with foreign travel. Perhaps you saw Governor Hogan on Meet the Press yesterday.  He's a Republican in a very blue state. He has at least a 70% approval rating.  I hope he runs for President next time around.  His problem is that he is rational, intelligent, calm, and honest. Might disqualify him.

Indian Wells (Palm Springs area) tennis tournament canceled after having one confirmed case of the Wuhan flu in the area. Continue on with the freak out.

WineMaster posted:

How long before Disney closes its parks in Orlando?

I imagine it will be in the next week or two, as the virus spreads through Florida (along with the rest of the country).

I sure hope that warmer Spring weather helps slow this down, or stops it.  

Pearl Jam has postponed their tour. I have tickets for a metal show in early April, and I won’t be shocked if it’s called off.

The majority of live music I go see involves sweaty bodies in close contact in confined spaces. 

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Coachella has been postponed.

In regards to the mortality rate, we don't have great information yet.  The best right now is probably from South Korea which has decent medical care and has significant testing.  The mortality rate (deaths compared to diagnosed cases ) is 0.6%.  My guess is the % compared to contracted cases is significantly lower and closer to the regular flu, as many people may have contracted the virus and not reported it or had it diagnosed.

Also of note, the average age of people dying in the US from the virus is 80 years old.

I understand being cautious, but I do think that there has been a big overreaction to the situation.

Almost a year ago we booked a Mediterranean cruise starting in Venice May 4 and ending Barcelona three weeks later. Needless to say we cancelled, yesterday. 😢

 

The highlight for me was going to be two days at the Monte Carlo Grand Prix, and we also have a car and driver booked for a private tour of Ornellaia followed by a late lunch at Sassicaia. I’m a bit choked that these things won’t be happening. I feel very sorry for the people in Italy and all the other areas around the globe who are being affected daily by this epidemic, physically, psychologically, and financially.

The cruise line’s been pretty good about cancellation, with full refund but only as future cruise credit to be used within 1 year of our embarkation date. Under the circumstances, that’s pretty fair.

thistlintom posted:

Coachella has been postponed.

In regards to the mortality rate, we don't have great information yet.  The best right now is probably from South Korea which has decent medical care and has significant testing.  The mortality rate (deaths compared to diagnosed cases ) is 0.6%.  My guess is the % compared to contracted cases is significantly lower and closer to the regular flu, as many people may have contracted the virus and not reported it or had it diagnosed.

Also of note, the average age of people dying in the US from the virus is 80 years old.

I understand being cautious, but I do think that there has been a big overreaction to the situation.

Over 630 dead from it in Italy. 4,000 worldwide. I’m not advocating panic, but what’s the quantity of deaths in the United States that would change your mind about things being an overreaction? Serious question, asked respectfully.

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Answering respectfully, because these numbers should scare us all, the CDC estimates that 20,000 to 52,000 have died from the flu in the U.S. from OCT. 1, 2019 through Feb, 29, 2020. Annually, the CDC estimates 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. alone. Quite a discrepancy when you're dealing with human beings.

And transmission of the flu is person to person.  Experts think the Covid-19 transmission can also be airborne.  Still a lot of unknowns.

This is not the flu. as said vaccines are available of some effectiveness, some offlu's severity will be reduced for some by their vaccines and Tamiflu is an option.

Do not panic, but remember, do not compare this to the flu,

billhike posted:

Pearl Jam has postponed their tour. I have tickets for a metal show in early April, and I won’t be shocked if it’s called off.

The majority of live music I go see involves sweaty bodies in close contact in confined spaces. 

Went to a concert Saturday night at my favorite local club and coughed my way to the front row.

 

Too bad on PJ. Eddie went to HS locally and has been a big supporter of the theatre program there which was his support system when he was there. The theatre building would not be there without his support. Its been a major part of my daughter's HS experience and a life changer being a part of that program. He's a really great human being

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seaquam posted:
 we also have a car and driver booked for a private tour of Ornellaia followed by a late lunch at Sassicaia. I’m a bit choked that these things won’t be happening.

Ouch. Sorry to hear that but probably better safe than sorry.

We've been back from our cruise since 3/1. No symptoms.  Don't worry...you can't catch anything from reading this.  Check out information on the 2009 Swine Flu epidemic on your internet. Pretty interesting to see how many people infected, died, etc., the response, how it compares, etc.

 

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