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@The Old Man posted:

I think there's a slight chance we could fuck this whole thing up. With the country filled with ignoramuses there is no way we're getting to the minimal 70% for herd immunity. The longer this goes the longer time variants have to establish footholds. There is a possibility this could spin up again here, as it is in India, and even to a degree in Oregon and Michigan.

Well, there's always a chance.  But I am not sure I agree that we won't get to 70%.  It is possible, but perhaps unlikely.  Certainly we will get to 70% between vaccinated persons and recovered patients.

So far, the vaccines appear to work pretty well against all variants.  The surges in India, Michigan, Florida, etc. are the result of the variants infecting non-vaccinated people.  There is always the possibility that a variant may come out which completely negates the vaccines, but I haven't heard too many experts express serious concerns about that yet.

Keep the fingers crossed and keep vaccinating as many people as we can, around the globe.

As a kid in the 60's, I remember getting vaccines at school for a whole host of diseases. I don't remember it being voluntary, but I do recall at least one girl whose parents were members of some small, strict religious sect, and wouldn't let her be inoculated. Otherwise, I remember it being mandatory. And as a result, no one in my immediate circle developed polio or rubella. Still have my little, round scar from the air-gun injectors, too.  (Of course, those were the days when parents would host chicken pox "parties", too.)

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@mneeley490 posted:

As a kid in the 60's, I remember getting vaccines at school for a whole host of diseases. I don't remember it being voluntary, but I do recall at least one girl whose parents were members of some small, strict religious sect, and wouldn't let her be inoculated. Otherwise, I remember it being mandatory. And as a result, no one in my immediate circle developed polio or rubella. Still have my little, round scar from the air-gun injectors, too.  (Of course, those were the days when parents would host chicken pox "parties", too.)

Same thing here. One kid didn't get the shots, he was a Jehovah's Witness if I recall correctly.

@irwin posted:

Perhaps a state government, or the federal government, should require people to have immunizations (in the absence of a real medical contraindication or a sincerely held religious belief).

See, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 US 11 (1905)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...son_v._Massachusetts

I don't think government inforcement is needed, nor desirable. Just for private businesses to require vaccination to use them.  Any private businesses that want to protect their employees will require customers to be vaccinated.

@The Old Man posted:

I don't think government inforcement is needed, nor desirable. Just for private businesses to require vaccination to use them.  Any private businesses that want to protect their employees will require customers to be vaccinated.

You could be right......but a fair number of "customers" don't personally appear in the same place as a private business. Like, say, customers who shop online.  And some businesses may not wish to require customers to be vaccinated as this could drive their customers away to competitors.

Some private businesses may require that their own employees be vaccinated.  Then, if an employee quits because he is "hesitant", would such a former employee be entitled to unemployment compensation.

A combination of strategies will be required to get a higher percentage of folks vaccinated.

@flwino posted:

Our stupid Gov, has now mandated that cities etc cannot enact or enforce mask, social distancing rules 07/01.  Also can't have a vaccination certificate.  Real jerk

No expert on the Florida State constitution, but can he really mandate what private businesses do?  I realize someone will have to challenge him to know for sure, but that doesn't seem kosher to me. 

First shot of AZ done on thursday. Friday was really rough. 100f fever, body felt like I'd been beaten with a bat. Brushed my teeth in the morning after (2pm shot) and dropped the toothpaste tube because it hurt so much when I squeezed. Fever broke after 38 hours and now five days later a quarter sized circle around the injection site is still tender.

Still pretty glad I got it! My wife has her first Pfizer shot next monday. Looking at things as they are now, talking with a couple of doctors and our biotech analyst who's really plugged in, it looks like we'll get our second shot sometime in July. Probably early-ish.

According to our Governor's website,

“According to official CDC data, 62% of Marylanders 18 and older, and 84.8% of Marylanders 65 and older, have received a COVID-19 vaccine.”

Yesterday I heard a case in my capacity as arbitrator.  The Plaintiff had been injured in a car accident. Before the case was over, he contracted and died from Covid.  58 years old.  He was markedly obese. I don't know about other co-morbidities.

@csm posted:

No expert on the Florida State constitution, but can he really mandate what private businesses do?  I realize someone will have to challenge him to know for sure, but that doesn't seem kosher to me.

He cannot although I am sure he will try.  Once again - government abdication of responsibility and shifting norms onto business and of course only those with conscience and ethics will do so while other simply keep counting their money.

Our best friends in town have a small restaurant that was booming pre-covid and very successful.  They are one of the few in town who followed and exceeded all CDC guidelines they still have reduced seating, they have very limited outdoor seating and no bar seats available (well just 2 on the end) which was a huge part of their business.  Of course, they are owner operators are on site and concerned about their own, their staff who are their friends and their customers many of who are their friends unlike the vast majority of places in town. 

So while the jerks are printing money, the people who care (they are not the only ones in town but representative of a minority) - turn business away, have people fight them over requiring masks and struggle - it is BS

My prediction that the vaccine would become walk-in, no appointment necessary by the end of April was just a few days early.  Looks like many places are now offering same-day appointments.

Florida is really taking first-place in the "head in the sand" category.  We have the highest number of new Covid cases in the country, but our Governor thinks that Covid is over.

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