@bman posted:In her defense, when she said "wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid" it was very early in pandemic and many other public health experts were saying the same thing, as I recall.
Nothing about her is defensible.
@csm posted:Nothing about her is defensible.
Not surprised you'd say something like that, given that you apparently have no use for government or anyone involved in government in any way.
And if "nothing about her is defensible", as you say, I hope that's not an indication that you have an issue with her race and gender. Or maybe you want to edit your comment and choose your words more carefully?
@bman posted:In her defense, when she said "wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid" it was very early in pandemic and many other public health experts were saying the same thing, as I recall.
I don't think that is totally the reason. I think there was a fear of a shortage of PPE for first responders. Which indeed there was.
@The Old Man posted:When I got my first, and then my second, I didn't knock on anything. I just ignored the cassandras and was fine. Those with serious reactions are low.
My wife and her coworkers got their second jabs back in January from the Moderna batch that was known to have higher than usual reactions amongst many who got it. Although anecdotally there seems to be less reports of bad reactions to the Pfizer vaccine (my mother reported no issues after her second dose), I take nothing for granted.
Upper arm near the shoulder is predictably a little sore at the end of this second day, but nothing that affects range of motion or limits usage of that arm in any way. Hopefully the aftermath of the second jab is rather uneventful as well.
@bman posted:Not surprised you'd say something like that, given that you apparently have no use for government or anyone involved in government in any way.
And if "nothing about her is defensible", as you say, seems you also have an issue with her race and gender. Or maybe you want to edit your comment and choose your words more carefully?
To imply I'm a racist or sexist is unforgiveable. I never said a thing about her race or gender. Why even bring that up?
What a horrible thing to say. I'm simply at a loss but sadly I'm not surprised given my past dealings with you personally and on this forum. Your character or extreme lack thereof is clear for all to see. Shame on you.
@csm posted:To imply I'm a racist or sexist is unforgiveable. I never said a thing about her race or gender. Why even bring that up?
What a horrible thing to say. I'm simply at a loss but sadly I'm not surprised given my past dealings with you personally and on this forum. Your character or extreme lack thereof is clear for all to see. Shame on you.
You said "nothing about her was defensible". Your words, not mine. Perhaps you meant "nothing about her professional advice was defensible", which is why I suggested you might want to edit your comment to better choose different words, if that's what you meant.
But I feel badly that you're so upset, so I edited my comment. Lots of nasty comments out there that mention her gender and especially her race, which led me to presume the worst. My apologies!
Florida is dropping the age for vaccines to 50 and over on Monday. I, and many of my friends, are in that category. The vaccine supply in Florida seems to be improving. I had office-mates and friends who were able to book appointments this morning with Publix, and once again there are still appointments available in the panhandle, hours after the site opened.
It would be nice if the Covid numbers kept dropping. At this point, it looks like they have plateaued. But hopefully the people who are getting infected at this point are not the old, infirm, sick, etc., so the hospitalizations and deaths will continue to drop.
Just got shot #1 of Pfizer. About a month away from eligibility for a (small) fully vaccinated offline!
Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
But Dad, he started it!!
Ha, Sunny is the new Robert!
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
I promise to show my work from now on.
The Mormons report the good news: Pfizer vaccine shots actually stop asymptomatic transmission, too.
@sd-wineaux posted:Just got shot #1 of Pfizer. About a month away from eligibility for a (small) fully vaccinated offline!
More like 6 weeks away, but who's counting? And Dr. Fauci recommends that you err on the side of caution and wear two face masks for the rest of your life. A very small hole, for drinking wine through a straw, may be permissible after you undergo a battery of antibody tests. Smelling the wine without a mask? Forget it.
RAcer117 and I have both had our first shots too and looking forward to a small offline soon too!
@javachip posted:More like 6 weeks away, but who's counting? And Dr. Fauci recommends that you err on the side of caution and wear two face masks for the rest of your life. A very small hole, for drinking wine through a straw, may be permissible after you undergo a battery of antibody tests. Smelling the wine without a mask? Forget it.
Hyperbole alert!
I was finally able to get appointments for my mother - Monday and then 4 weeks later for the second. Huge relief.
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
+1 When reading through the posts I had to do a . I know both of you from multiple offlines so the venom surprised me.
WA's dippy governor decided to make qualifying as complicated as possible with (I think it's 16 or more different categories?) So much so, that shots for 1st responders wasn't even available until last Wednesday. I got lumped into that group, so my first Pfizer jab was yesterday at Lumen Field, where the Seahawks play, and where they plan to administer up to 22K vaccines a day. It was surprisingly swift and orderly for such large numbers attending. I was in and out in only 30 minutes, including the 15 I had to wait after. Only side effect was a funny metallic taste in my mouth for a short while, and sore arm lasting into today. Next one will be 4/10.
Looks like the data from the US AstraZenaca trial is pretty good. I assume that the FDA will authorize the shot sometime in April or early May. While we probably won't need the vaccine in the US by the time it gets authorized, FDA approval should assuage concerns in other countries, and hopefully clear the way for more people to want to take it. It is a very inexpensive, easily-stored vaccine, so it would be a boon to third world countries.
For those of you who are fully vaccinated, hold onto your Cards! And Staples will laminate them for free:
I am supposed to get mine either Saturday or Thursday - we shall see.
First jab scheduled for Tuesday - Moderna for me apparently
@Rothko posted:For those of you who are fully vaccinated, hold onto your Cards! And Staples will laminate them for free:
I never got anything but a text notice. 
@mneeley490 posted:I never got anything but a text notice.
When you got your first shot, they should have given you a Card. You may want to check with whoever gave you the vaccine. There are also websites that discuss how to get another card if you've lost yours, so maybe check with those.
@Rothko posted:When you got your first shot, they should have given you a Card. You may want to check with whoever gave you the vaccine. There are also websites that discuss how to get another card if you've lost yours, so maybe check with those.
This is WA state. They rarely do anything right.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I haven't got a shot yet (I'm waiting for my turn). I don't know whether my life change after that (I mean, my attitude), but now I still prefer staying home, taking Vitamin D (according to the latest research and the Canadian pharmacy, its level impacts the severity of Covid), working remotely, and doing sports.
I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday. No side effects, other than slight soreness at the injection site on the arm.
@billhike posted:Congratulations. Ready to slap on a thong and hang on the beach with spring breakers?
Ready? That's what I've been doing for the last year!
On my way to get Moderna shot 1 in 10 minutes
@Rothko posted:I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday. No side effects, other than slight soreness at the injection site on the arm.
Most are OK the first 24 and then it hits for 24 to 48 but you bounce back fast.
My youngest son just got his first appointment scheduled for this Thursday. So by this Thursday all 4 permanent residences of our home will be vaccinated with at least one shot. 
Moderna shot 1 done - 30 minutes door to door.
Far easier than Stef's J&J a few weeks ago which required us driving up to Homestead and back from Key West (should have been a little under 6 hours but ended up taking crazy long thanks to Spring Breaking morons)
@jcocktosten posted:Moderna shot 1 done - 30 minutes door to door.
Far easier than Stef's J&J a few weeks ago which required us driving up to Homestead and back from Key West (should have been a little under 6 hours but ended up taking crazy long thanks to Spring Breaking morons)
Congrats!
It's funny, because in a few months, it is going to be so easy to get the vaccine that those of us who had to go on long trips to get it may feel slightly foolish for having done so. I can remember thinking how a few months ago I would have gone to Panhandle for the shot. I guess I'm glad I didn't.
@Rothko posted:Congrats!
It's funny, because in a few months, it is going to be so easy to get the vaccine that those of us who had to go on long trips to get it may feel slightly foolish for having done so. I can remember thinking how a few months ago I would have gone to Panhandle for the shot. I guess I'm glad I didn't.
Exactly -we did not know - that was what was available for her so we took it
I got my second Modera yesterday and my youngest son got his first Moderna today. So my wife and I both have two shots on board and both sons now have one shot on board. Feeling pretty good about that.
Glad to hear you guys are getting your shots. Over 1 million Marylanders are now fully vaccinated, out of a population of around 6 million. Every day another 50,000 or so get vaccines. Yet, we've had an increase in infections, hospitalizations, etc.
Mrs. H and I got our second Moderna shots yesterday. She is doing fine. I, however, spend last night with chills, screaming headache, tinnitus, and aching everywhere. Things are calming down, but it was brutal for a while. Of course, my Taiwanese wife things Scots are not as tough as we pretend 
