"People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
No comment needed.
@The Old Man posted:"People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
No comment needed.
Especially the Idiot-in-Chief!
@billhike posted:You mean their leaders don’t publicly ridicule health experts?
japanese people are way too polite to ridicule others
Good luck trying to scroll through all this:
'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish
(Once again the lamestream media is trying to harm Dear Leader by actually quoting him directly. I don't know how they get away with this and once Trump becomes dictator perpetuo we will jail all those reporters who played gotcha.)
The First Lady is showing some sense that her “husband” won’t by not attending the “rally” tonight. I wonder if he is borrowing her “ I don’t care do you” jacket.
Where I live reverts back to phase 3 on Friday. No more indoor service at bars and restaurants. While my wife and I have only done patio dining anyway, it sucks for those businesses and their employees. I have a lot of friends who are servers and bartenders. We’ll try ordering carry-out a little more often to support local places we like while we can.
Wow. So you're slipping from 4 into 3. San Diego County is very close to slipping back to the worst level. A lot of it was driven a month ago by an outbreak at SDSU.
Florida is "full steam ahead - we're open!"
A 28 year old participant in the AstraZeneca vaccine trial in Brazil died from Covid complications. Turns out he was in the placebo group. Rest in Peace.
My wife and I thankfully both tested negative. HR at work sent out a formal notice requiring masks whenever you are away from your desk, talking to anyone. And entering/exiting the building. Once I’m back in the office, I’ll vociferously call out anyone not complying.
@Rothko posted:A 28 year old participant in the AstraZeneca vaccine trial in Brazil died from Covid complications. Turns out he was in the placebo group. Rest in Peace.
the sheer number of drugs that fail testing in a year is staggering, so i'm surprised people are considering such reports as news. Gilead's remdesivir rapid approval is surprising considering a few studies came out saying its efficacy wasn't that great, but i guess the phase 3 trials showed it didn't kill that many people so it was okay to let it go?
@billhike posted:My wife and I thankfully both tested negative. HR at work sent out a formal notice requiring masks whenever you are away from your desk, talking to anyone. And entering/exiting the building. Once I’m back in the office, I’ll vociferously call out anyone not complying.
That’s great news!
With the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus now than before...what are you all worried about? Trying like the devil to not contract it....but I don’t think I’m as fearful as the whistleblower Billhike. And the numbers of current people infected are relatively low...just take the total infected from the last 14-20 days...any positives prior are over.
@napacat posted:With the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus now than before...what are you all worried about? Trying like the devil to not contract it....but I don’t think I’m as fearful as the whistleblower Billhike. And the numbers of current people infected are relatively low...just take the total infected from the last 14-20 days...any positives prior are over.
It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
@bman posted:It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
oh i know exactly where those lines from. You can just hear echos of it during tonight's debate. Easier to make up shit as you go along as oppose to figure out the actual numbers and what they acutally mean.
anyhow here are the actual numbers
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...covidview/index.html
"Nationally, weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates reported through COVID-NET have remained steady for all age groups in recent weeks; however, rates have increased in 7 of 14 COVID-NET sites during this time period. Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 41 was 7.2% and, while declining, remains above the epidemic threshold. Hospitalization and mortality data for the most recent weeks may change as additional data are reported."
The AstraZeneca vaccine trial is back on in the US, and the Johnson & Johnson trial is about to get the green light to restart soon. So good news.
@jcocktosten posted:Until the 2016 election, I would never have thought that in the country I was born in and have lived my whole life that: (1) the president of the U.S. would say such things; and (2) that it would actually resonate and be supported by a sizeable segment of the population.
What on earth has happened to us?
Liberals and woke morons.
@napacat posted:Liberals and woke morons.
That is very coherent, thanks for clarifying
@jcocktosten posted:That is very coherent, thanks for clarifying
His version of “taters”.
@napacat posted:Liberals and woke morons.
it's pretty amazing that you realize that these are the same folks who think that manual physical hard labor is the end all to human civilization
@bman posted:It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
My point is all of the positive case numbers are cumulative.... but in reality we all know there are not that many people who still have it. Take any state, county , city and only use the numbers for the past 14-20 days. That is the amount we know are positive. Anyone who was positive before that date has recovered, perished or can no longer transmit.
@napacat posted:My point is all of the positive case numbers are cumulative.... but in reality we all know there are not that many people who still have it. Take any state, county , city and only use the numbers for the past 14-20 days. That is the amount we know are positive. Anyone who was positive before that date has recovered, perished or can no longer transmit.
Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
@bman posted:Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
Exactly. And the number of NEW cases is increasing. So much so that even the WH was telling Tennessee to tighten up. It's pointless discussing this with some people. It's like arguing with a flat earther.
out in Garrett County, Maryland, the westernmost county in the state, where we have a vacation home, there were 75 positive cases on 9/30/20. Today, 24 days later, there are 123 cases. That's a rather steep increase in a short time. This is not a good thing.
Just a few weeks ago, there were more Covid cases in the White House than in all of Taiwan.
That aside, how about this:
If we don't do cancer screenings, there won't be any cancer! Wow...miracle!
If we don't test immigration status, there won't be any illegal immigrants! Yeah!
At least five people in Vice President Mike Pence's orbit have tested positive for coronavirus in recent days, including chief of staff Marc Short and outside adviser Marty Obst Guess they tested too often
@bman posted:Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
@napacat posted:Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
Wrong again. People with and without symptoms can be contagious, though the latter less than the former. And people who have recovered can get it again.
So to summarize, everything you've said about the disease here is wrong. Maybe you should consider a source of information other than Fox News or Breitbart or wherever you got the incorrect information you've shared here.
@napacat posted:Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
I don't know where you get those low positive results from FL. As the Johns Hopkins data show, the positive results in FL were 14.3% on Oct. 22, 8.4% on Oct. 23, and 6.2% on Oct. 24. So, these are huge numbers. They are going down, at least for now, but the testing rates are increasing (1.2%, 1.3% and 1.6% over those same three days)! So, that goes completely against your argument.
@bman posted:Wrong again. People with and without symptoms can be contagious, though the latter less than the former. And people who have recovered can get it again.
So to summarize, everything you've said about the disease here is wrong. Maybe you should consider a source of information other than Fox News or Breitbart or wherever you got the incorrect information you've shared here.
He's actually coming up with his own conclusions now, trying to fill in the "big headlines" from trump's words. Unfortunately, uninformed conclusions from incorrect assumptions lead to a similar wrong outcome.
@haggis posted:I don't know where you get those low positive results from FL. As the Johns Hopkins data show, the positive results in FL were 14.3% on Oct. 22, 8.4% on Oct. 23, and 6.2% on Oct. 24. So, these are huge numbers. They are going down, at least for now, but the testing rates are increasing (1.2%, 1.3% and 1.6% over those same three days)! So, that goes completely against your argument.
Sounds like stuff from Fox or Breitbart BS to me.
@bman posted:Sounds like stuff from Fox or Breitbart BS to me.
He's trying to argue that cv19 isn't exponential growth. when the covid-19 first hit the states the R0 was north of 2.6 using average estimates across various scientists, which is indeed exponential growth. The current estimate for R0 where folks are hunkering down, wearing masks shows an consensus R0 of roughly 1 to 1.6.
So definitely better, but there is still at large % of the US population that can still catch the disease, contrary to what white house officials are talking about with their "herd immunity" If you gave up masks and social distancing, it's pretty obv the R0 of this disease is going back to exponential growth.
Also folks talking about the death rate, do the incorrect assumption that you calculate the death rate amongst the entire population, where as it should be calculated against those who have actually caught it and ended up going to the hospital.
https://nyulangone.org/news/st...death-rates-covid-19
ie don't catch it, and if you do and you gotta goto the hospital, you're kind of already fucked, unless you happen to be able to afford some great care.
If you would just stop engaging the useless bag of dicks, perhaps one day he’ll miraculously just go away.
@g-man posted:He's trying to argue that cv19 isn't exponential growth. when the covid-19 first hit the states the R0 was north of 2.6 using average estimates across various scientists, which is indeed exponential growth. The current estimate for R0 where folks are hunkering down, wearing masks shows an consensus R0 of roughly 1 to 1.6.
So definitely better, but there is still at large % of the US population that can still catch the disease, contrary to what white house officials are talking about with their "herd immunity" If you gave up masks and social distancing, it's pretty obv the R0 of this disease is going back to exponential growth.
Also folks talking about the death rate, do the incorrect assumption that you calculate the death rate amongst the entire population, where as it should be calculated against those who have actually caught it and ended up going to the hospital.
https://nyulangone.org/news/st...death-rates-covid-19
ie don't catch it, and if you do and you gotta goto the hospital, you're kind of already fucked, unless you happen to be able to afford some great care.
Even if you can afford some great care (or get it through government health care, like most of the civilized world! 
) you may be in trouble because many and perhaps most have or will have longer-term negative health impacts.
Ah Mark Meadows "We're not going to control the pandemic' ... paraphrase "We're going to treat it instead"
As if treatment over prevention ever lowered the cost of healthcare anywhere in the world across any healthcare plan.
Mark Meadows just gave more ammo to the Biden campaign. Admitting defeat at this stage is insane. If they enforced the CDC guidelines, back Fauci's guidance etc. they could have reduced the scope of the pandemic.
Then we have the dumpster & friend who disavow masks, social distancing, and quarantines.
Guess I will forgo my flu shot, and wait till I get the flu, and go to the doctor and plead ignorance, and hope for treatment. Vaccines are a prevenative, and not ready for prime time. We need to take precautions, and not do as dr. Atlas says, get a herd immunity. How many will that kill?
I just wonder why we keep testing for cancer. If we didn't test for it there would be no cases and we'd cure that disease in months!