Palm Beach County just reported the largest spike in cases yesterday.  That's a bit disconcerting.  

I haven't gone to a restaurant yet for a meal - still doing take-out only.  

I'm waiting to see the spike in cases in cities where these protests have been going on.  

@Rothko posted:

Palm Beach County just reported the largest spike in cases yesterday.  That's a bit disconcerting.  

I haven't gone to a restaurant yet for a meal - still doing take-out only.  

I'm waiting to see the spike in cases in cities where these protests have been going on.  

More than happy to let others go to restaurants, large gatherings, etc and see what happens to them.  Still remaining extremely (and maybe overly) cautious at this point. 

It’s sort of odd that people fancy themselves as amateur virologists, physicians, and immunologists.  When I get on an airplane I don’t critique the pilot’s flight plan and I hate it when some client of mine thinks he knows better than I about how to handle a lawsuit, what evidence to use, what witnesses to call and so forth. 

 

 

@patespo1 posted:

More than happy to let others go to restaurants, large gatherings, etc and see what happens to them.  Still remaining extremely (and maybe overly) cautious at this point. 

We had lunch at our local favorite brewpub on Sunday. They are only doing patio tables, spaced. Illinois is not allowing indoor seating. It felt awesome to have a meal prepared by someone else for a change, as well as see some staff my wife and I consider friends. I do think about it though, whether or not we should be doing that. The sameness of routine is finally getting to me a bit.

@irwin posted:

It’s sort of odd that people fancy themselves as amateur virologists, physicians, and immunologists.  When I get on an airplane I don’t critique the pilot’s flight plan and I hate it when some client of mine thinks he knows better than I about how to handle a lawsuit, what evidence to use, what witnesses to call and so forth. 

 

 

If a person shows interest in informing themselves more about a particular field, but may sound more abrasive in approaching a situation with a directive tone, i honestly don't see what's wrong with it.  Though, i did catch your word critique which, knowing you are a lawyer, is precisely what you meant, in which case i agree =P

@billhike posted:

We had lunch at our local favorite brewpub on Sunday. They are only doing patio tables, spaced. Illinois is not allowing indoor seating. It felt awesome to have a meal prepared by someone else for a change, as well as see some staff my wife and I consider friends. I do think about it though, whether or not we should be doing that. The sameness of routine is finally getting to me a bit.

I believe the point that CV19 hasn't been shown to really spread via aerosol that if you're outdoors with non stagnant air, you are very likely okay especially if the patio tables are spaced far enough apart.

@irwin posted:

It’s sort of odd that people fancy themselves as amateur virologists, physicians, and immunologists.  When I get on an airplane I don’t critique the pilot’s flight plan and I hate it when some client of mine thinks he knows better than I about how to handle a lawsuit, what evidence to use, what witnesses to call and so forth. 

 

 

I'm constantly surprised by how many defendants want to represent themselves, despite many admonitions to the contrary. Even more so, the ones that try to do an end-run around their attorney, attempting to negotiate a better deal. 

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Our state wants to go to Phase 2.  Death rate has been increasing for last week, along with infection rate.  Gov just a$$ kisses the orange pile of dung!  Lets all get closer, and then we can really get the rate higher.  When we go out we wear masks, look like "idiots"  as i seems we are the only ones

will be interesting to see if there are lots of post-protest infections, as alot of the marchers are not wearing masks and are close to others, and lots of chanting and screaming is occurring.  (This is not a comment on whether people should or should not protest(.

@irwin posted:

will be interesting to see if there are lots of post-protest infections, as alot of the marchers are not wearing masks and are close to others, and lots of chanting and screaming is occurring.  (This is not a comment on whether people should or should not protest(.

There have been reports already.  One player or coach of a major college team is postiive from a demo

@irwin posted:

will be interesting to see if there are lots of post-protest infections, as alot of the marchers are not wearing masks and are close to others, and lots of chanting and screaming is occurring.  (This is not a comment on whether people should or should not protest(.

I’m most concerned about the health professionals who weighed in in favor of all the marches and protests. They will have lost a lot of needed credibility. Obviously, we need tremendous change in how policing occurs in this country and in how black people are treated by all aspects of the judicial system, not just the police. (And many other systems as well.)  And the George Floyd murder was such a dramatic example of that, that the protests are totally understandable, if not wise. But I’m crossing my fingers they don’t lead to massive infections and death spikes. Already, in the past less than 3 months more black people in this country have died of Coronavirus than all police killings of black people (including armed) plus all hate crimes and domestic terrorism of black people in the past 20 years combined. 

With the re-openings and the protests going on, I think we will see a huge surge in cases.  Florida is already seeing a big spike, and I expect it will go on.  I don't see governors pulling back on the re-openings until people are literally dying in the streets.  

The "flattening of the curve" was never meant to eliminate the virus, just to make sure we didn't overwhelm the hospitals, and give them time to get ready for the next wave.  Maybe we accomplished that.  But I think we are going to see an ugly summer and a terrible fall, unless we get some unexpected good news on the treatment front.

@Rothko posted:

With the re-openings and the protests going on, I think we will see a huge surge in cases.  Florida is already seeing a big spike, and I expect it will go on.  I don't see governors pulling back on the re-openings until people are literally dying in the streets.  

At least not the tRump taint-sniffer governors.

Science writer Laurie Garrett is reporting that this statement is being clarified, "This was NOT a new study from @WHO but an answer in a press conference. And use of term 'asymptomatic' by @mvankerkhove in the presser was clarified to mean truly no symps., noting that ppl may have mild, undiagnosed sympts & be contagious."

She went on to explain it could be a headache that went away or some other almost unnoticed mild symptom.

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Pretty lengthy answer.  Asymptomatic people are not spreading this.  And 85-90% of the people who contract it have very mild symptoms.  Time to end the lockdowns and following stupid arrows.

@napacat posted:

I posed this WHO comment to a friend of mine who is an infectious disease specialist at a local hospital.  Here is what he said…….

"Irwin, this is a new, novel viral pathogen. I don't have confidence in all the so-called facts that have appeared in print. However, this is a potentially fatal illness. Do you want to take any personal risks that are not absolutely required? Each individual is different and the spectrum of willingness to take risk is wide and inconsistent. Remember, exposure to each person is only as safe as that person's behavior. So even if you are extremely strict and thorough but you interact with one other person who isn't and has interacted with 100 persons, it's as if you yourself have interacted with all those interactees. Now if you gather in an enclosed room with hundreds of people,.....you do the math. I have been jaded by caring with patients on ventilators for over 40 years and have seen how bad it can be. I want to avoid that if possible. Sorry for being so gloomy about all this."

So, I personally follow the advice of the physicians I know.  As I previously noted, when I get in a plane I don't suggest a flight plan to the pilot.  I defer to the professionals, who I am convinced are doing their best and who, in general, are not motivated by political or economic considerations.

 

@napacat posted:

Pretty lengthy answer.  Asymptomatic people are not spreading this.  And 85-90% of the people who contract it have very mild symptoms.  Time to end the lockdowns and following stupid arrows.

Put your mask back on, and seal with duct tape.

@flwino posted:

Put your mask back on, and seal with duct tape.

See Fl Wino...Irwin had an intelligent and worthy reply.  You...not so much.  We have 62k people infected in a state of 22M.  And infections are not what you should be tracking...it should be the people that need hospitalization.  If you are elderly with any underlying condition..you need to take precautions.  Those are the group of people that tend to be dying from C-19.  Are there outliers....sure.

From today's New York Times,
"A top expert at the World Health Organization on Tuesday walked back her earlier assertion that transmission of the coronavirus by people who do not have symptoms is 'very rare.'"  

@The Old Man posted:

From today's New York Times,
"A top expert at the World Health Organization on Tuesday walked back her earlier assertion that transmission of the coronavirus by people who do not have symptoms is 'very rare.'"  

How anyone can take anything the WHO says seriously is beyond me.  The only thing consistent in its handling of this and its advice is that it's been wrong at virtually every turn.  I understand the pressure to come up with "answers" but these guys are supposed to be scientists and are speculating at best and presenting it as fact.  Brutal. 

45 is making his cult sign waivers before attending his rally in Tulsa.  I thought he said this was a hoax, why the need for a waiver?  Sounds like Natural Selection at work.  

@patespo1 posted:

45 is making his cult sign waivers before attending his rally in Tulsa.  I thought he said this was a hoax, why the need for a waiver?  Sounds like Natural Selection at work.  

They are probably convinced that Pocahontas or Sleepy Joe will put Covid-19 in the a/c ducts. Perhaps Napa can let us know if that’s possible. As I recall, he’s our resident expert on air conditioning.

@billhike posted:

They are probably convinced that Pocahontas or Sleepy Joe will put Covid-19 in the a/c ducts. Perhaps Napa can let us know if that’s possible. As I recall, he’s our resident expert on air conditioning.

Not A/C  Mostly Hot Air

The number of confirmed cases is soaring in Florida.  Hospitalizations don't look like they are going up as sharply, but they are always a trailing indicator.  So, in about two weeks we'll see if things are really bad down here in Florida or not.

I have my own feelings about how this is about to play out.

A bunch of states have seen an uptick in cases.  The increase in positive tests can be attributable maybe to increased testing.  The increase in hospitalizations is because more people are sick enough to require hospitalization and who knows with whom they have been in contact

"The US Food and Drug Administration has revoked its emergency use authorization for the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of Covid-19."

Gee, what a surprise. But Dr. Trump ("I really get this stuff") said it was a "game changer."

On Saturday, the President (maskless) spoke at the West Point graduation ceremony of the class of 2020.  The cadets marched in wearing dress uniforms and masks.  They removed the masks and sat quietly 6 feet apart.  Then, at the dramatic moment at the end of the ceremony, as is customary, they stood and tossed their caps high into the air.  Then, many of them, maskless, hugged each other.

If they were going to hug each other while not wearing masks, why wear them while marching in?  Anyway, congrats to the class of 2020.  Let's hope they don't ever have to risk their lives in combat, or on the streets of the US.

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