@steve8 posted:

That's about CDN$1000. You bought the wrong kind of alcohol.

Seriously. Though the first part of that post was about me taking possession of an embarrassingly large amount of Belgian style beer.  Allagash Tripel, Boulevard Tank 7, Duvel, and Tripel Karmeleit are all well stocked now at Chez Winetarelli.

@flwino posted:

Yesterday at popular spot in Commons West PGA Blvd

Bar tender no mask or gloves, server at first no mask [later put one on] & no gloves.  Owners bobbing around all tables no mask, no gloves.  Menus spotted from use, not one time use, Outside tables not cleaned up after prior folks, wanted to sit there, but had to go to a clean one inside.

Looks like owners don't give a damn about Phase one standards   Also owners were trying to tell us in March that the virus was just a flu, and 35k folks died from that, so why worry. 

It's way too early to be going out to a restaurant in Palm Beach County, in my opinion.  And anyone who thinks that the coronavirus is "just the flu" is an idiot.  88,000+ deaths in two months isn't the flu.

@Rothko posted:

It's way too early to be going out to a restaurant in Palm Beach County, in my opinion.  And anyone who thinks that the coronavirus is "just the flu" is an idiot.  88,000+ deaths in two months isn't the flu.

It's not the number, it's the greatly increased percentage of those infected who die that separates this from the flu.

@winetarelli posted:

That is what most of it was. 12 1L bottles of 99% for $450, and some assorted gallons of 75%. Since March 13 I have gone through 30 canisters of Clorox wipes, 2 packages of Costco wipes, and 2 1/2 gallons of 70% alcohol. Wipes are no longer available. So assuming a gallon a week isn’t that crazy for how friggin’ nuts I am. 

How do you dilute your 99%?

Geez dude.  I bought a 4-pack of Clorox wipes back in January.  I put one pack in the car for dog messes.  I just opened another to replace the one in the kitchen which was opened sometime last year.

Thinking about the virus makes me even more a supporter of something since I was a teenager, space travel. Early liberal dogma in the 70s suggested money was wasted on NASA when we have so many problems on the Earth. As has been shown there were many benefits gleaned from the space program. However, there's a more important long-sighted goal of space travel, our planet is eventually doomed and the next pandemic might be the one that wipes out most of humanity. Or certainly an asteroid will obliterate all of civilization at some point. Interesting guesses, based on the information science currently has, predicts a 5km to 10km asteroid hits the Earth on average every 20 million years. The last one was the dinosaur extinctor 65 million years ago. That one was estimated to be 10 km. Think about only a six mile wide chunk of rock causing extinction of the human race. And one of them is due. And of course at the end of the line is the burnout and shift to red giant phase of our own Sun, which will cause the Earth to be vaporized inside the super-hot gaseous sphere.

So at the least, to guarantee the survival of the species, somebody's got to get off this planet and be able to live, not just on the Moon or Mars, but between the stars.

I'm on board with Space Force if it's without weaponry. We probably won't be encountering any aliens out there. Though a "super-duper" photon torpedo or two might not hurt.

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"our planet is eventually doomed and the next pandemic might be the one that wipes out most of humanity. Or certainly an asteroid will obliterate all of civilization at some point.....And of course at the end of the line is the burnout and shift to red giant phase of our own Sun, which will cause the Earth to be vaporized inside the super-hot gaseous sphere."

Pleasant thoughts for a Monday morning.

I remember hearing a lecture once from some scientist who said, "The world will come to an end due to the burnout of the Sun in around 10 Billion years." The blonde woman next to me said, "What did you say?"  He repeated his comment.  She said, wiping her brow, "Thank God.  I thought you said 10 Million years!"

@winetarelli posted:

That is what most of it was. 12 1L bottles of 99% for $450, and some assorted gallons of 75%. Since March 13 I have gone through 30 canisters of Clorox wipes, 2 packages of Costco wipes, and 2 1/2 gallons of 70% alcohol. Wipes are no longer available. So assuming a gallon a week isn’t that crazy for how friggin’ nuts I am. 

How do you dilute your 99%?

What in the hell are you cleaning?  A football stadium?

@irwin posted:

I remember hearing a lecture once from some scientist who said, "The world will come to an end due to the burnout of the Sun in around 10 Billion years." The blonde woman next to me said, "What did you say?"  He repeated his comment.  She said, wiping her brow, "Thank God.  I thought you said 10 Million years!"

I hate to tell, you it's only 5 billion years.

Good news from Moderna about their vaccine trials.  Yes, it's like getting a home run in the first inning, but at least it wasn't a strike out.

@Rothko posted:

Good news from Moderna about their vaccine trials.  Yes, it's like getting a home run in the first inning, but at least it wasn't a strike out.

yep, all 8 of em

@thistlintom posted:

4,300 people with Covid were sent to New York nursing homes.  Cuomo does not want to take any responsibility.

Of course not...And the media will not really report on this either.  IT's disgusting.  Di Blasio is worse than Cuomo.   He's going to rip people out of the water.  The guys is an absolute moron.  Worst Mayor of the great NYC....

blah blah blah, you sure talk alot for not living in NY.

I don't think he's a great governor and I hate the mayor, but honestly, you don't know shit about NY.  You're literally as bad as all those liberal papers that like to do the 30000000 mile review about a state you know nothing about.

So once again, go fuck yourself Napacat and Thistlintom, in classic NY fashion.

And as a mathematician, I'm more than happy to throw out random correlative numbers at you that mean exactly jack shit.

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@g-man posted:

blah blah blah, you sure talk alot for not living in NY.

I don't think he's a great governor and I hate the mayor, but honestly, you don't know shit about NY.  You're literally as bad as all those liberal papers that like to do the 30000000 mile review about a state you know nothing about.

So once again, go fuck yourself Napacat and Thistlintom, in classic NY fashion.

And as a mathematician, I'm more than happy to throw out random correlative numbers at you that mean exactly jack shit.

Well said

It is not easy for TT and Napa here. I appreciate how frustrating it is when you're in the minority among a group who don't see the greatness and wisdom of the president. We look and see...well you know, the worst president on a monumental level in our lifetime...and they see a "stable genius." I know it's almost impossible to believe that intelligent men (I'm assuming at least a minimal level of education from people who can afford to be wine collectors and connoisseurs) listen to the drivel that daily (with Tweeting, hourly) comes out of this man's mouth and think--yeah, that's my guy. But there they are and they can't figure out what's wrong with us.

We can only hope that our long national nightmare ends this November. However for various reasons, such as cheating by asking foreign countries to help and that favorite Republican tactic--suppressing the vote, I'm not betting on it.

You know very little about my views on Trump but you make a lot of assumptions.  The biggest problem is with the attitudes of those who are on the left side, for example gman’s response to my post which is very childish.  Seems like some people can post their views in any manner they like, but cannot accept criticisms of people on their side of the aisle.  Can you tell me that Cuomo’s orders for nursing homes to take Covid patients were reasonable and didn’t have any impact on the deaths of thousands of people in nursing homes who died from the virus?  Cuomo fucked up and won’t take ANY responsibility for what happened.  I don’t need to be from New York to see that.

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@The Old Man posted:

So you only name call Gov. Cuomo? As I said, how childish.

It was unintentional to call him Cumbersome, which doesn’t make much sense anyways.  My iPad autocorrect caused this and I didn’t see it when posting   I have corrected my post.  So I assume you don’t have any problems with what he did in regards to nursing homes?

@thistlintom posted:

It was unintentional to call him Cumbersome, which doesn’t make much sense anyways.  My iPad autocorrect caused this and I didn’t see it when posting   I have corrected my post.  So I assume you don’t have any problems with what he did in regards to nursing homes?

Why didn't you say so in the first place?

Do I think that Gov. Cuomo's done everything right during this time? No.

"You know very little about my views on Trump but you make a lot of assumptions."

I only know you are the second biggest defender here of this profoundly ignorant and sleazy man and disastrous president.

@g-man posted:

blah blah blah, you sure talk alot for not living in NY.

I don't think he's a great governor and I hate the mayor, but honestly, you don't know shit about NY.  You're literally as bad as all those liberal papers that like to do the 30000000 mile review about a state you know nothing about.

So once again, go fuck yourself Napacat and Thistlintom, in classic NY fashion.

And as a mathematician, I'm more than happy to throw out random correlative numbers at you that mean exactly jack shit.

Full of class you are!   I don't know...I'm from originally from NY.   

@The Old Man posted:

It is not easy for TT and Napa here. I appreciate how frustrating it is when you're in the minority among a group who don't see the greatness and wisdom of the president. We look and see...well you know, the worst president on a monumental level in our lifetime...and they see a "stable genius." I know it's almost impossible to believe that intelligent men (I'm assuming at least a minimal level of education from people who can afford to be wine collectors and connoisseurs) listen to the drivel that daily (with Tweeting, hourly) comes out of this man's mouth and think--yeah, that's my guy. But there they are and they can't figure out what's wrong with us.

We can only hope that our long national nightmare ends this November. However for various reasons, such as cheating by asking foreign countries to help and that favorite Republican tactic--suppressing the vote, I'm not betting on it.

You still don't get it.  Hillary Clinton was an unacceptable choice.   And now you are stuck with "You ain't Black enough" Joe.  Good luck.  I hope you can handle another four years fo President Trump...because that is exactly what you are going to get.  And we will be better for it.  He is certaihnly a better President than Obama.  And by the way...I have never uttered the term Obummer or Libtard.

And we have shut down the entire U.S. for less than a half of a percent of the population that is positive with the disease (not counting the asymptomatic people who don't know).    

@thistlintom posted:

You know very little about my views on Trump but you make a lot of assumptions.  The biggest problem is with the attitudes of those who are on the left side, for example gman’s response to my post which is very childish.  Seems like some people can post their views in any manner they like, but cannot accept criticisms of people on their side of the aisle.  Can you tell me that Cuomo’s orders for nursing homes to take Covid patients were reasonable and didn’t have any impact on the deaths of thousands of people in nursing homes who died from the virus?  Cuomo fucked up and won’t take ANY responsibility for what happened.  I don’t need to be from New York to see that.

you sure about that?

you seem to assume I'm on the "left".  I've worked on wall st for over 20 years.  I seriously doubt anybody i know has considered me "left".

The local papers here all rile against Cuomo. But do you know exaclty how many of the deaths were attributed to patients treated and released back into nursing homes vs those who got it from relatives visiting in the first place without PPEs?  

You don't.  I will tell you that the visitations and nurses without PPEs was a vastly larger issue vs patients treated, tested and put back into nursing homes.

So no, TT, you don't know the details.  You are doing a 900000000 mile view of something you just don't have enough details on.  It has nothing to do with "criticism".  Proper critique has data, analysis, informed commentary to back it up.  What you're saying is simply off the cuff opinion that anyone off the street can make a snide remark about.  You can't possibly expect anybody with a brain/not a sheep to accept.

oh and hte "I used to be from NY"  is about as lame as "I understand asian culture cuz I married an asian woman".  I was born in Wisconsin.  I know some parts, and while I like drinking Miller, I don't know much about what happened in the past 40 years in Wisconsin to consider myself a Wisconsinite.  but I will relent.  if you were from NY, you should take me telling you to fuck off in stride.  Cuz you know, that's what we New Yawkers do.

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Actually, I'll play.

The entire premise is basically:  If you were treated in a hospital, cured of cv19, and deemed healthy enough to be discharged,  you shouldn't go back into a nursing home because of fear that you can reinfect someone else in the nursing home.

But when it comes to state reopening, that same train of thought is no longer valid?  

A very rainy couple of days down here in South Florida.  Ordinarily I'd be upset to see a holiday weekend ruined.  This time I'm not so upset, if it keeps the idiots inside their houses instead of congregating at the beaches and parks.

Virus cases rising at a terrible rate here.  Over 300 new in our county alone.   Can see why, most idiots do not wear masks shopping, or dining.  Only "recommended" as we have a very stupid a$$ kissing gov.

I really think a lot of people are "done" with the virus, the masks, social distancing, etc.  On Saturday night I drove by the ocean in my neighborhood and saw multiple cabana parties going on - people hanging around in cocktail attire (without masks) and drinking and talking and having a good time.  Completely pre-Covid in feeling.  I understand it is outdoors, and the chances of infection are lower, but I wouldn't be comfortable right now being in a large group outside.

The problem, as I see it, is that since we quarantined, we never saw the hospitals get overwhelmed, no one really knows anyone close to them who either has had the virus or died from it, so it doesn't seem as scary as it did in the beginning.

I have plans to go up to Lake George in a couple of weeks.  I'm maintaining my social distancing and avoiding large groups as a precaution.  The last thing I want to be is a spreader of the virus somewhere else.  I believe NJ has been third in the country in the number of cases.

Roadblock into the Keys came down today - tourists allowed back today (they were here anyway in long term vacation rentals - mostly legal - and shorter term - completely illegal) - Easy to pick out either via rental golf carts, scooters or bikes and general cluelessness.  

Anyway, everyone in town (even the open now people) are concerned with what is to come - we shall see

Happily the tennis courts were not crowded yesterday and people were behaving - unfortunately the hanging out, beer and bloody mary's and shrimp and snacks are a thing of the past.

We are going to our best friends' restaurant for the first time this evening - sitting outside despite the eat - Stef is not pleased but I insisted.  Hopefully the "peaceful protest/rally" scheduled for this evening will not spiral out of control - if limited to locals - I am sure it will be fine - if we have been infiltrated with troublemakers - who knows.

 

It's hard to buy into the severity of the disease and the need for social distancing if you don't see much of it in your region.

In my neck of the woods,  hospitalizations and intubations continue to decrease off the mid-April high.  Youngest patient I've seen on a vent is 20 yrs old. Youngest I've seen with diffuse bilateral pneumonia, not on a vent, is 16.

Most patients who die from the virus, tend to die within the first week of being hospitalized.  A neighbor of mine died 4 days ago after being on a ventilator for more than 2 months.  What is also becoming obvious is that this not just a respiratory disease, but also a vascular disease.  The virus apparently promotes thromboembolic events.  Patients are dying from stroke, pulmonary emboli, and multisystem organ failure. Youngest patient I've seen with stroke from Covid is 32.

Well - the protest/march here was totally peaceful - that's good.

We had a nice dinner - but unfortunately for our friends - their restaurant was empty.  Hopefully business will pick up soon.  It was  Monday and I am sure locals stayed home due to tourists coming and the protest March - but was definitely weird

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