The Old Man posted:

I'm on another forum where a person wrote three weeks ago, "When thousands of healthy young people are dying in every state then called a pandemic." This was about the time WHO declared it a pandemic. He's been asked about it but always dodges and weaves. It is very rare for people on the internet to admit they're wrong and of course he won't.

Disclaimer: All opinions expressed by me in this forum are only my opinions. They are not pronouncements from God. I apologize if you feel your parade has been rained upon.

Maybe the opinion he expressed in that forum was only his opinion, and not a pronouncement from God.

Seems as though his understanding of meteorology is pretty similar to yours.   😀

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seaquam posted:
The Old Man posted:

I'm on another forum where a person wrote three weeks ago, "When thousands of healthy young people are dying in every state then called a pandemic." This was about the time WHO declared it a pandemic. He's been asked about it but always dodges and weaves. It is very rare for people on the internet to admit they're wrong and of course he won't.

Disclaimer: All opinions expressed by me in this forum are only my opinions. They are not pronouncements from God. I apologize if you feel your parade has been rained upon.

Maybe the opinion he expressed in that forum was only his opinion, and not a pronouncement from God.

Seems as though his understanding of meteorology is pretty similar to yours.   😀

It is not the opinion that's interesting. It's the implication behind it. What this person is saying, and has never denied, is that millions of older people could die but it would not meet his criteria of a pandemic. It's quite a shocking sentiment and shows an almost unfathomable, disturbing thinking process.

Now that I'm recovering from the virus my senses are off.  Opened a bottle of 2013 Sullivan Cabernet and 2016 Stags Leap petite Syrah, and I could not smell either one. Taste buds are also off as well.  Hopefully this is only short term.  Damn Virus! 

winedrmike posted:

Now that I'm recovering from the virus my senses are off.  Opened a bottle of 2013 Sullivan Cabernet and 2016 Stags Leap petite Syrah, and I could not smell either one. Taste buds are also off as well.  Hopefully this is only short term.  Damn Virus! 

I heard on the evening news that the loss of smell and taste were previously unreported symptoms of the virus. They said that both do eventually come back. 

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I just asked my GF to get into her nurses uniform.
She asked why? Are you feeling horny?
I said no we need bread.

If you can't taste a petit syrah, things must be bad.  But, Dr. Fauci says he is quite confident that once you get the virus and recover from it, that you then have pretty good immunity next time it rolls around.

I saw a neighbor wiping down her groceries and have read in another wine forum about being careful touching the wine shipments.  I’m sorry but that’s a bit   irrational or bordering on neurosis.   I wash my hands after going to the bathroom, picking up after pets, and before I sit down to eat.  WTF are people thinking.

doubled posted:

I saw a neighbor wiping down her groceries and have read in another wine forum about being careful touching the wine shipments.  I’m sorry but that’s a bit   irrational or bordering on neurosis.   I wash my hands after going to the bathroom, picking up after pets, and before I sit down to eat.  WTF are people thinking.

I think receiving groceries and deliveries do have to be received with some special handling. I received them wearing rubber gloves I remove the bags and dispose of them outside. I try to actually remove a lot of the boxes that stuff comes in like cereal, frozen food Etc. I receive packages from Amazon in the same manner. I think I posted earlier about breaking the chain of possible contamination.

A doctor said yesterday to think that when a person sneezes or coughs glitter sprays out of their orifices. Think how hard it is to get rid of glitter. It's the same thing with a virus, even harder since you can't see it.

As for washing your hands I hope you are following the CDC guideline and are not just doing it after going potty.

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I dunno TOM.  Breaking the chain is for people to stay home.  Workers who handle food or merchandise should wear gloves.  People who cough or wipe their fluids on things purposely are a-holes.  Trying to disinfect everything what other people touched is taking it too far.  The chances of a .0000001% contraction doesn't rationalize it for me.

use paper bags, wash your hands right when you get home, wash your hand after you pack it all away and wash your food before you cook it.

will i lay out my groceries all over my table so i can individually disinfect?  No

Will i try not to move stuff from outside through out the house?  Yes

And just remember to wash your hands more often.

napacat posted:
 
And by the way...Trump is tight to want to get the country moving again.

Amazingly, Putin’s Bitch demonstrated that, at least for today, he’s not quite as dumb as you are.  

thistlintom posted:

It appears that the forecasts of cases and deaths by models are overestimated from comments by the experts, but we shall see.

Based on finding a middle ground between best and worst case scenarios, Dr Fauci is estimating 100K to 200K deaths in the US by the time COVID-19 ceases to be a threat.  Even Putin’s Bitch appears to be seeing the grim reality this pandemic presents.

I was hoping this wouldn’t be worse than H1N1.  All indications from family and friends in the healthcare industry is that this will be significantly worse.  

I've washed my hands quite often. In fact, so often that the notes I put on my pinky to help me pass an 8th grade exam are starting to show.

Seriously, if you wear gloves to receive packages, because you don't want to touch the packaging, then you have to toss the gloves each time you do this.  We were grocery shopping yesterday. Wiped the handle of the cart before taking it inside. My wife prefers that she push the cart.  I tried to keep my hands in my pockets, except when selecting a food item for the cart, and then, when we got home, we washed our hands before putting stuff away.

As to washing food, I suppose nearly everyone washes an apple before eating it. And, you eat the skin of the apple.  Do you wash an orange or a banana (where you don't eat the skin)?  You should.  Who know who touched those fruits?  I only have known one person who washes a banana before peeling it, and that is my father-in-law, who is 97.  Clearly his longevity is directly due to his fruity fastidiousness.

I'm getting everything delivered to the house at this point.  I haven't left my house to go any farther than my mailbox.  Not sure my car still starts it has been so long since I've been in it.  Guess I should check.

If I get a delivery other than groceries I wipe down the package outside on the front porch with a paper towel soaked in disinfectant.  Groceries however I grab the plastic bags they are always delivered in and bring them to the kitchen table and remove the products inside and put them away and throw away the plastic bags and disinfect the table top where they sat.  Trash goes outside regularly and frequently.  In short, I am not disinfecting every single item that comes through the front door but I am being as cautious as I can within reason.

Oh yeah, I wash my hands thoroughly after touching anything from outside the house.  I wash my hands frequently throughout the day.  Always have, particularly when preparing meals.  I wash several times during meal preparation.

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If we could ever get around to producing a blood serum/antibody test in this country, we could test people to see if they have coronavirus antibodies in their blood, meaning they've already been exposed and have beaten off the virus.  Those people could then be issued an ID card and allowed to go back out into the economy (restaurants, theaters, sports events, etc.) while those that don't have the antibodies could continue to self-isolate and keep social distancing.

The Old Man posted:

There are still people here who appear to be socializing, in person, with their friends and neighbors. Just no.

Most stupid thing to do.  Also folks 18-30 years old that

are "invincible"

Reporters are saying that it appears the gravity of the situation has finally sunk into Trump's head. He would increase his chance of reelection if he stopped the daily clown show he puts on everyday--hawking products, threatening governors and insulting reporters--especially his favorite target--women, and just stuck to the facts. Better, for him and the country, would be if he'd just get off the stage.

The FL Gov has finally gotten balls and issued a State wide stay at home order.  He allowed beaches to be open, 10 miles north of us, and other gatherings.  Now we should all be better off and protect ourselves.  BTW he is the dumpsters good friend

Well we are resupplied - drove through the checkpoint today to re-enter the Florida Keys - only residents, property owners and essential workers allowed to enter.

The Florida-wide order won't really affect me much.  But hopefully it will get some of the knuckleheads to start staying at home

The Old Man posted:

Excellent article from the LA Times on the harm that the president's claims for chloroquine has done. I was not aware that that infamous promoter of quackery, Dr. Oz was involved:

The rotten science behind Trump’s chloroquine claims 

I was at a convention once and heard a cardiologist give a speech. He said something like this: When Dr. Oz makes a recommendation, run the other way.

 

The Old Man posted:

Reporters are saying that it appears the gravity of the situation has finally sunk into Trump's head. He would increase his chance of reelection if he stopped the daily clown show he puts on everyday--hawking products, threatening governors and insulting reporters--especially his favorite target--women, and just stuck to the facts. Better, for him and the country, would be if he'd just get off the stage.

That must be the reason why every picture I see of him now, he's dejected, looking down, arms at his sides, and shoulders slumped. Barring the miracle he was looking for, he's going to lose the next election and he now knows it.

If NY were a country, we'd be #4 on the global list.  So no, I dont think someone's doing "the best job"

We are still looking for medical suppliles.  I have family members in the profession and they're saying the lack of PPEs is alarming.  So yea, trump can feel free to investigate why some hospitals in NY need a one time order of 300,000 DISPOSABLE masks.  

irwin posted:
The Old Man posted:

Excellent article from the LA Times on the harm that the president's claims for chloroquine has done. I was not aware that that infamous promoter of quackery, Dr. Oz was involved:

The rotten science behind Trump’s chloroquine claims 

I was at a convention once and heard a cardiologist give a speech. He said something like this: When Dr. Oz makes a recommendation, run the other way.

 

The John Oliver take down of Dr Oz is one of my favorite episodes of his. I loathe the man.

Is it any surprise that Trumpublican governors have been slow to take action? From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the Governor finally is telling people to say home, though not until Friday. Here he is in all his glory: "'He said his decision was triggered by 'game-changing' new projections on the disease’s spread in Georgia. He also said he was informed of new data that this virus 'is now transmitting before people see signs. Those individuals could have been infecting people before they ever felt symptoms', he said. 'We didn’t know that until the last 24 hours.'”

"What a maroon" -- Bugs Bunny

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We are about to become a mask wearing nation. You will be ostracized if you aren't wearing one, even outside. There is no way people will be allowed into stadiums, amusement parks, theaters,etc. without one. You certainly will not get into Costco or grocery stores without one.

Big story today from the LA Times:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tru...early-233508840.html

Says that Pres. Trump ended a program that could have helped identify the virus early, etc.  But, it's hard for me to believe that he did this spontaneously or on his own. He's not the kind of guy who looks at the budget himself, line by line, and figures out where to cut.  The questions for me are a) who in the administration at the time recommended to the President that the program be cut and b) who opposed it? Did any Democrats or others in Congress or in the Senate who serve on science and health committees notice and complain?

For me: cardboard boxes are left in the foyer for 4+ days prior to opening, and then the contents are either disinfected or left another week. Groceries (all delivered) are brought to the outdoor patio where they are each thoroughly  disinfected before entering the apartment. I only leave home for 3 reasons: to go to the mailbox (no more than twice per week) where mail is summarily thrown out outside and little packages are taken inside and left at the door for at least 4 days. And also to go to my Amazon locker at my community’s clubhouse. I wear disposable gloves, a mask, and go in the middle of the night. Again, see how I treat packages. And to go to my car for “supplies” which are still in it such as boxed beets, soda, olive oil, and disinfectant.  And which are treated as any other package.  Shoes come off immediately upon entry and remain at the door. Gloves are removed upon entry. I wash my hands using a disinfectant cloth to pump the soap (the water is already running.)  All clothing is removed and goes into a special pile not to be touched for 4 says. (And then washed twice on the hottest setting with extra soap.)  The bathroom is disinfected, my hands are rewashed, then I shower. Because I’m sticking to this routine, I’m not washing my hands more than 4 or 5 times per day, otherwise. And I’m ok with touching my face as I’m reasonably confident I’m keeping most of the germs away. 

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The Old Man posted:

We are about to become a mask wearing nation. You will be ostracized if you aren't wearing one, even outside. There is no way people will be allowed into stadiums, amusement parks, theaters,etc. without one. You certainly will not get into Costco or grocery stores without one.

Yup tell me to wear one.  But after you can supply me one

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