father-in-law in Deerfield, FL got his first immunization. He's 98. He was pleased.
The rollout is the last hurdle for most Americans. With a new federal government, that should ease over the next few months.
Sign up, and GET THE VACCINE, whether the mRNA, or attenuated virus. Reaction rate to vaccine requiring treatment 1/1.5 M. Deaths- 0. Reaction to COVID 19/20/21 requiring treatment if> 40 y-o, 1/10. Deaths 1/30.
You will still need to wear masks and socially distance, since you can get infected by the virus same as if you didn't get the vaccine.
I've seen enough he last 10 months; the virus is no joke, the leading cause of death in US over the last 6 months.
@drtannin 2 posted:You will still need to wear masks and socially distance, since you can get infected by the virus same as if you didn't get the vaccine.
If you can still get infected same is if you didn't get it, what's the point of the vaccine? Not following what you're saying here unless it's that you can get it but not get sick and pass it on to others that haven't been vaccinated.
@csm posted:If you can still get infected same is if you didn't get it, what's the point of the vaccine? Not following what you're saying here unless it's that you can get it but not get sick and pass it on to others that haven't been vaccinated.
Here’s Why Vaccinated People Still Need to Wear a Mask
Part of the problem is with the (necessary) rushing of the vaccines there is some data about infection that has yet to be tracked.
Good news that the US is purchasing another 100 million doses each from Pfizer and Moderna. We will certainly have lots of vaccine on hand by the summertime. In fact, I imagine that we may have a surplus and will eventually sell it to other countries as demand dries up in the US by the fall. J&J and AstraZenaca vaccines will also be coming online, so in a few months things are going to look better and it will become very easy to go to your local pharmacy and get a vaccine.
As we get through the first tier of recipients (mostly healthcare workers and people 65 and older), I am wondering how the next tier is going to go. It seems that there is going to be no way to really monitor who is in the next level priority - essential workers and/or people with at-risk conditions. That's a wildly broad category; almost everyone can pigeon-hole themselves into one of those categories.
So would it be better to either a) just open it up to everyone; or b) open it up by age brackets (55 and older; then 45 and older; etc) that you can at least control?
I'd say open it by age bracket going forward until the J&J drug gets emergency approval (another 200 million doses, single shot only, ready to go already) most likely in March sometime and then throw it wide open to anybody that wants it in a FIFO basis. My two cents worth.
Saw on our news yesterday that Canada has ordered enough vaccines for 6 times our population and the US for 5 times their population. Of course not all will likely work. And there is a long road from ordering vaccine to getting it into everyone's arms....
Ontario announced today that its reported numbers of vaccinated individuals as of yesterday (which was already embarrassingly low at around 96,000) was 2x the number that had actually been fully vaccinated. Up to 55,000 people today out of just shy of 15,000,000. Well done.
My father received his second dose of Pfizer today. I can't tell you what a relief it is. My mother should get her second dose of Moderna next week or the following week.
In Palm Beach County, all Covid vaccines are now going only to Publix supermarkets. No more vaccine for the County health department, hospitals, or other municipalities. The only way to get a vaccine will be by trying to get an appointment through Publix.
But here's the rub: People from nearby counties (Broward and Miami-Dade) can go online and compete for the Palm Beach County Publix appointments (there are no Publix appointments in Broward and Miami-Dade), and they also get their own county allotments as well. And if you live in western Palm Beach County, you are basically SOL because there are no Publix supermarkets out there.
Made the lottery cut this morning. Get my shot friday!!
Interesting article from the LA Times:
The NFL crushed the COVID-19 virus. Here’s how, and what that means for you
I have a friend in Naples who needs to get a shot. He's around 77 yrs old or so. His wife, who is a bit younger, has been trying and trying to no avail. Anyone down in FL have any ideas?
My Dad got his second shot on Sunday. My uncle in Lancaster PA got his first on Monday.
Head of my law firm is getting his second shot today
I would expect to be able to get mine in early Summer -
@irwin posted:I have a friend in Naples who needs to get a shot. He's around 77 yrs old or so. His wife, who is a bit younger, has been trying and trying to no avail. Anyone down in FL have any ideas? You can email me privately at irwin@irwinweiss.com
Options
Be persistent on Publix site
Call 786-629-5752 For the Miami site many folks here getting lucky there
Hard Rock Hotel in Dania also successful
Both parents have now gotten their second shots.
Irwin: I think that the best bets are the Publix site; the county health department, and trying the Miami locations. Also, have them try Walgreens, Walmart and Winn Dixie; I think that they are also starting to take appointments in Florida as well.
We continue this race against time: Vaccinations vs. the variants.
@The Old Man posted:Interesting article from the LA Times:
The NFL crushed the COVID-19 virus. Here’s how, and what that means for you
imagine if the system was changed to, if you caught covid, you don't get a stimulus check. What do you think the adherence to masks would be then?
@g-man posted:imagine if the system was changed to, if you caught covid, you don't get a stimulus check. What do you think the adherence to masks would be then?
No soup for you.
Going first first shot Friday. I'm glad it is the Pfizer vaccine. Seems the stats right now or 95% Pfizer 94.1% Moderna in protection. Some early stats are showing less effectiveness for Moderna in people over 65 but it may be minuscule and is not properly reported or studied yet.
Best wishes for all you guys getting shots, or with your loved ones getting them. I’m 53 with no underlying conditions (other than some extra pounds) so I’m a ways off.
@The Old Man posted:No soup for you.
Going first first shot Friday. I'm glad it is the Pfizer vaccine. Seems the stats right now or 95% Pfizer 94.1% Moderna in protection. Some early stats are showing less effectiveness for Moderna in people over 65 but it may be minuscule and is not properly reported or studied yet.
Decided to take part in the beta test period after all, eh? I think / hope that's the right decision since I'll do the same the moment it opens up for me.
@sd-wineaux posted:Decided to take part in the beta test period after all, eh? I think / hope that's the right decision since I'll do the same the moment it opens up for me.
I'm not sure what this means. I would take either the Moderna or the Pfizer. I am just glad it's not the weak sauce Johnson and Johnson.
@The Old Man posted:I'm not sure what this means. I would take either the Moderna or the Pfizer. I am just glad it's not the weak sauce Johnson and Johnson.
Back on 1/21 you said (among other things) "let the early-injected be the guinea pigs". I guess 2 weeks worth of additional evidence was enough for you, which is great. I still think we're in a beta test period with the vaccines, especially with the mutated strains that are turning up. But I'll happily play guinea pig under the circumstances when given the chance.
@The Old Man posted:I'm not sure what this means. I would take either the Moderna or the Pfizer. I am just glad it's not the weak sauce Johnson and Johnson.
you can take both, they both enable different receptors on the spike protein
@sd-wineaux posted:Back on 1/21 you said (among other things) "let the early-injected be the guinea pigs". I guess 2 weeks worth of additional evidence was enough for you, which is great. I still think we're in a beta test period with the vaccines, especially with the mutated strains that are turning up. But I'll happily play guinea pig under the circumstances when given the chance.
savage!
@sd-wineaux posted:Back on 1/21 you said (among other things) "let the early-injected be the guinea pigs". I guess 2 weeks worth of additional evidence was enough for you, which is great. I still think we're in a beta test period with the vaccines, especially with the mutated strains that are turning up. But I'll happily play guinea pig under the circumstances when given the chance.
Good call on your part. Part of the problem is my sister, who lives in Chicago and works for a medical association, got hers three weeks ago. And all of a sudden I see people all around me my age (including my best friend and his wife) who are also getting it. So I was starting to feel like a chump. I do think about poor, or older, people who either can't get on the internet, use a smartphone, or have the knowledge to navigate the roadblocks.
To g-man, I have no problem being called out or saying--I stand corrected. Especially because I am so rarely wrong.
I got an appointment for an immunization on Wednesday at a local grocery store pharmacy. 
There are advantages to being Medicare aged.
At my appointment, before I got the shot, the nurse asked me if I had a sudden loss of taste. I told her no; I've always dressed this way.
@The Old Man posted:At my appointment, before I got the shot, the nurse asked me if I had a sudden loss of taste. I told her no; I've always dressed this way.
I'll borrow that line on Wednesday if it comes up!
I think I figured out how Israel has vaccinated such a high percentage of persons who live there.
They have this laser machine in outer space, paid for by the Rothschild family, and it beams vaccines into the arms of the Israelis.
@irwin posted:I think I figured out how Israel has vaccinated such a high percentage of persons who live there.They have this laser machine in outer space, paid for by the Rothschild family, and it beams vaccines into the arms of the Israelis.
Brilliant! I may steal this and claim it as my own!
@irwin posted:I think I figured out how Israel has vaccinated such a high percentage of persons who live there.They have this laser machine in outer space, paid for by the Rothschild family, and it beams vaccines into the arms of the Israelis.
This was supposed to be top secret. I don't know how it leaked out.
@The Old Man posted:This was supposed to be top secret. I don't know how it leaked out.
Ask "Q"
I had a friend on Facebook post that he was getting the vaccine yesterday, and a lot of people replied - many of them saying that they'd gotten either the first or both doses already. I was shocked at the emotions of jealousy and/or anger and/or frustration that I felt, knowing that others are getting the vaccine but I don't qualify yet and will have to still wait for weeks or months before I can get one. It just sort of hit me out of the blue. Even though I know that I will have to wait, it was a frustrating thing knowing that there are now people out there beginning to live relatively normal lives.
@Rothko posted:Even though I know that I will have to wait, it was a frustrating thing knowing that there are now people out there beginning to live relatively normal lives.
Well, they shouldn't be trying to live "normal" lives just yet. They should still be using masks, maintaining social distances, washing their hands, etc.
If it will temper your frustration, just think of all the people who have gotten the vaccine but still can't resume their "normal" lives.
@Rothko posted:I had a friend on Facebook post that he was getting the vaccine yesterday, and a lot of people replied - many of them saying that they'd gotten either the first or both doses already. I was shocked at the emotions of jealousy and/or anger and/or frustration that I felt, knowing that others are getting the vaccine but I don't qualify yet and will have to still wait for weeks or months before I can get one. It just sort of hit me out of the blue. Even though I know that I will have to wait, it was a frustrating thing knowing that there are now people out there beginning to live relatively normal lives.
If done properly, it's just a matter of statistics. I'm guessing I'm in a higher risk category than you.
They posted today that at the current rate, everyone in WA state should have a shot by summer of 2022.
Got my shot yesterday. Moderna. There are advantages to being >65 yrs old. For those of you who are close to 65, I'd recommend you do what the youngsters do when they are underage and want to drink alcohol. They create fake IDs and claim they are 21. Might work for the vaccinations too.
@irwin posted:Got my shot yesterday. Moderna. There are advantages to being >65 yrs old. For those of you who are close to 65, I'd recommend you do what the youngsters do when they are underage and want to drink alcohol. They create fake IDs and claim they are 21. Might work for the vaccinations too.
Wait, is a lawyer telling people to break the law? Uh oh.
@mneeley490 posted:They posted today that at the current rate, everyone in WA state should have a shot by summer of 2022.
I have a friend who lives in WA who I thought was exaggerating about the state's program. A little research showed me they are doing terrible.
@irwin posted:Got my shot yesterday. Moderna. There are advantages to being >65 yrs old. For those of you who are close to 65, I'd recommend you do what the youngsters do when they are underage and want to drink alcohol. They create fake IDs and claim they are 21. Might work for the vaccinations too.
Congrats on getting the shot! Any side-effects?
Went onto Publix's Covid vaccine appointment website this morning at 7:00 a.m. to see how it is working. They've changed things a little bit - each County reports the % of appointments instead of giving the number. The appointments in South and Middle Florida booked up fast. The ones in North Florida and the Panhandle did not. After about an hour and a half I actually got the "Book an Appointment" button, and it offered appointments in about 4 counties in the Panhandle.
For the heck of it, I put in all my information, to see if it would let me book an appointment. It let me put it all in, including my birthdate (I am not old enough to be eligible yet under Florida guidelines), but it didn't boot me out and it let me select a date and time. I got to the "Confirm" button for the appointment; but of course, I didn't do so and I logged out instead.
So, a few conclusions: 1) If you can book an appointment locally, you could do so. Maybe the Publix employee will figure out you aren't old enough and cancel the appointment, but maybe they won't (if they cancel it they are going to have an extra dose sitting around which they are going to have to give away to someone - who probably also doesn't qualify); and 2) If you are over 65 and are willing to drive to North Florida or the Panhandle for the shot, you can almost definitely get a shot these days.
Another week passed, still waiting here.
I guess where I live, in San Diego county, is the number one county for vaccine distribution in the state. LA county is finding itself having to close sites periodically waiting for more doses.
Biden Administration is pushing back the "everyone can get a vaccine" to July. Well, at least the Covid numbers have been dropping in the U.S.
Tomorrow marks 1 year for this thread, and will also be the date that the third vaccine gets FDA advisory panel approval. I never would have thought the last year would be what it has been.
One year, indeed. The former President tweeted one year ago yesterday that "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA." Geez. I guess it depends on your definition of "control."
@irwin posted:One year, indeed. The former President tweeted one year ago yesterday that "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA." Geez. I guess it depends on your definition of "control."
I think he meant that the virus was *in control*
"It will disappear one day like magic."
It will disappear one day, perhaps by the time we reach 600,000 dead. It didn't have to be this way. An incompetent and dishonest Administration exacerbated the problem.
"And I told them, slow the testing down."
No wonder Napacat and some of the other supporters of this emotionally and intellectually empty man, no longer show their faces around here.
"But, but Hillary." You think the last four years would have been worse under her?
@The Old Man posted:"It will disappear one day like magic."
It will disappear one day, perhaps by the time we reach 600,000 dead. It didn't have to be this way. An incompetent and dishonest Administration exacerbated the problem.
"And I told them, slow the testing down."
No wonder Napacat and some of the other supporters of this emotionally and intellectually empty man, no longer show their faces around here.
"But, but Hillary." You think the last four years would have been worse under her?
Old Man. I’m not here because the site is filled with assholes like you. We can all have a different opinion for sure. But you throw the racist term around to anyone that disagrees with you. Well FU and the current bunch of Woke idiots.
And yes it would have been worse with Hillary. Just like it sucks with this current doddering fool.
I know you watch Bill Maher and he was great last night with Meghan Kelly...makes a lot of sense, but now being twittered by morons. Dangerous place were in. Just look at the HHS deputy Secretary nomination...Christ the US is a laughing stock.
@napacat posted:Christ the US is a laughing stock.
Look in the mirror. You're looking at our laughing stock.
Is it possible to end the childish back and forth? Why don't you fellas exchange email addresses and scream and yell at each other directly?
@irwin posted:Is it possible to end the childish back and forth? Why don't you fellas exchange email addresses and scream and yell at each other directly?
There will be no back and forth.
Nice to see that there is a third vaccine option. I know some people are going to poo poo the lower efficacy rating. Not me. I'll take whichever one I can get.
@Rothko posted:Nice to see that there is a third vaccine option. I know some people are going to poo poo the lower efficacy rating. Not me. I'll take whichever one I can get.
I have an appt for my first jab on Mar 17. It will be the Moderna vaccine. If I can get the J&J one earlier, I will definitely do so. For mild cases, it does have a lower efficacy; however, for severe cases, the efficacy is in the mid to upper 80% range. I'll take it.
Another Covid Zoon funeral today. Close friends stepfather. Sucks
@jcocktosten posted:Another Covid Zoon funeral today. Close friends stepfather. Sucks
Very sorry to hear that, A.
Are most people where you are in Florida wearing masks indoors at least?
@bman posted:Very sorry to hear that, A.
Are most people where you are in Florida wearing masks indoors at least?
In Palm Beach County, yes. There is a county-wide mask mandate. And all of the major stores, like Publix, Target, Costco, etc. require masks.
Still, you see a few people in there with the masks down below their noses. I have been very tempted to go up and politely ask them to wear the mask properly, but I can imagine a scenario where that creates a scene. It really should be up the stores to enforce their rules, since they can kick out violators if they refuse or have them charged with trespassing.
@Rothko posted:In Palm Beach County, yes. There is a county-wide mask mandate. And all of the major stores, like Publix, Target, Costco, etc. require masks.
Still, you see a few people in there with the masks down below their noses. I have been very tempted to go up and politely ask them to wear the mask properly, but I can imagine a scenario where that creates a scene. It really should be up the stores to enforce their rules, since they can kick out violators if they refuse or have them charged with trespassing.
At least they seem to be making an effort rather than a political statement by refusing to wear a mask at all. Not that that is OK either but I really don't get this I-refuse-to-wear-a-mask-because it's my right, or medical experts can't be trusted, or freedom!, or whatever.
Or they take it off in the middle of Publix so they can talk on the cell phone. Hey idiot, you can speak thru a mask
Good news from the Biden Administration that they are going to secure enough vaccine doses for all US adults by the end of May, and worked out a deal for Merck to manufacture the J&J vaccine to increase production.
Of course, Mississippi and Texas took that as permission to go ahead and just open up everything (ala Florida). No masks, 100% open, go have a beer - make it a Corona!
@Rothko posted:Good news from the Biden Administration that they are going to secure enough vaccine doses for all US adults by the end of May, and worked out a deal for Merck to manufacture the J&J vaccine to increase production.
Of course, Mississippi and Texas took that as permission to go ahead and just open up everything (ala Florida). No masks, 100% open, go have a beer - make it a Corona!
wouldn't you think that for purposes of public safety, these states that are opening up could wait just a tad?
I think the health care workers of Texas and other "free the mask" states should just leave. The governors don't care about the health of these people, not to mention the stress that's been on them for a year dealing daily with the pandemic; I'd move out.
Interesting news from the Florida Keys about the ultra-ritzy Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo being able to get vaccines in January for almost all of their 65 year old + residents while other residents of Florida struggled to obtain the vaccine. Coincidently, the only donors to the Republican Party in Key Largo live in Ocean Reef.
@Rothko posted:Interesting news from the Florida Keys about the ultra-ritzy Ocean Reef Club in Key Largo being able to get vaccines in January for almost all of their 65 year old + residents while other residents of Florida struggled to obtain the vaccine. Coincidently, the only donors to the Republican Party in Key Largo live in Ocean Reef.
It seems FL residents would be justified in storming the governor’s residence, no? At least the ones who don’t have their tongues up 45’s anus.
Got my first shot of the Moderna vaccine yesterday. Zero side effects so far. This TX resident for one highly appreciates every health care worker that made this finally possible.
Glad you got it, Joe!
@wineismylife posted:Got my first shot of the Moderna vaccine yesterday. Zero side effects so far. This TX resident for one highly appreciates every health care worker that made this finally possible.
Congratulations! You still have a couple weeks to go before immunity kicks in, and about a month and a half for full immunity, but at least you are underway!
Thanks guys. Yeah, it'll be right around April 14th before I supposedly have full immunity but it is a huge relief to finally have the clock ticking in my favor. Especially since I do have some underlying conditions.
I stand by my statement. Google "How long does it take to get immunity from covid vaccine".
Here is just an example:
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With the COVID-19 vaccines rolling out across the country and more people getting vaccinated, many are wondering how long it takes for the vaccines to provide protection. Dr. Kristen Marks, an infectious disease specialist at NewYork-Presbyterian/Weill Cornell Medical Center and an associate professor of medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Weill Cornell Medicine, shares six facts about immunity after getting the COVID-19 vaccine.
1. The vaccines are 95% effective and may help reduce the severity of the disease.
In Phase 3 studies, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were found to be 95% effective in the early months after the vaccine. Put simply, “If there were 100 people who would have gotten COVID, it prevented 95 of them from getting it, but it didn’t prevent all 100,” says Dr. Marks. “It definitely provides some protection, but it’s not perfect.”
The good news is that early data found that those who did contract COVID-19 after receiving the vaccine did not develop a severe form of the disease. “So even if it doesn’t completely prevent illness, the study data shows that it does reduce the severity,” says Dr. Marks.
2. You need both doses of the vaccine to achieve immunity.
Scientific studies suggest that taking two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines is very important for achieving the antibody response to provide protection and create lasting immunity.
Dr. Marks says that while there appears to be some protection 14 days after a person’s first dose, that initial protection may wane over time, which is why it’s so important to get the second shot. “There’s been talk of using one dose of the mRNA vaccines, and I’m not in favor of that, because I think that the protection provided by the first dose of these vaccines should be thought of as a bridge to the next dose,” says Dr. Marks. “You need that second dose to get the full immunity.”
Dr. Marks says that the vaccine’s protection is generally achieved somewhere between seven to 14 days after the second dose.
Here's another:
Infectious disease specialist Christian Ramers, MD, told ABC News that "we know from the vaccine clinical trials that it's going to take about 10 to 14 days for you to start to develop protection from the vaccine." The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) corroborates this on its site.
"It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination," the CDC explains in its guidance. These lymphocytes are necessary to achieve immunity from the virus. "Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection."
I misread, I stand corrected.
I am one week into my second dose of Pfizer.
@The Old Man posted:I misread, I stand corrected.
I am one week into my second dose of Pfizer.
No problem.
Congrats on getting your second dose of Pfizer!
@wineismylife posted:Thanks guys. Yeah, it'll be right around April 14th before I supposedly have full immunity but it is a huge relief to finally have the clock ticking in my favor. Especially since I do have some underlying conditions.
Just in time to pay your taxes!
Oh those are already paid. Accidentally overpaid. Since we have such a complex tax return with a wide swath of revenue sources (I own two businesses, get a W-2, K-1, 1099s, etc...ditto for PURPLE) we always have to do one final estimated payment by January 15th to ensure we don't end up paying a penalty. This year we accidentally went over by roughly 2,400. That'll be coming back shortly.
Was listening to the CBC (Corona Broadcasting Corporation) news tonight and for the first time in ages they actually had some good news.
@Rothko posted:In Palm Beach County, yes. There is a county-wide mask mandate. And all of the major stores, like Publix, Target, Costco, etc. require masks.
Still, you see a few people in there with the masks down below their noses. I have been very tempted to go up and politely ask them to wear the mask properly, but I can imagine a scenario where that creates a scene. It really should be up the stores to enforce their rules, since they can kick out violators if they refuse or have them charged with trespassing.
There was an incident in Seattle this week where a man standing in an outdoor line at a burger joint was asked by the manager and other patrons to please wear a mask. He responded by going to his car and coming back with a gun. Waived it at the manager and others while issuing threats. Then jumped back into his car as police were approaching, sideswiped several parked cars, and crashed into a building before fleeing on foot. Police nabbed him shortly after, but really? All over wearing a mask? Used the SOG defense in court (it was "some-other-guy").
I see the idiots in Texas have opened up the state 100% to no masks etc., when they cases are rising. Stay safe Forum Members.
Our toll here is still out of control. At least if you have enough donations to GovRon, you go to the head of the line
Teachers and other school staff are now top priority in Florida. Publix's website moved them to the front of the line today - if you were a teacher you got access to appointments and only after all such people got bookings were they made available to the other categories. I don't have any problem with that; we need our teachers vaccinated asap so schools can reopen and stay open.
Publix is now offering both the J&J vaccine (on Wednesdays) and the Moderna vaccine (on Mondays and Fridays). It will be interesting to learn whether there is a difference in demand for the Moderna vs. the J&J.
Stef got a J&J appointment today. I am still not remotely eligible
Got my 2nd Moderna today. I will now live forever.
@irwin posted:Got my 2nd Moderna today. I will now live forever.
Yes, as a Zombie.
Seriously, congrats to you!
@irwin posted:Got my 2nd Moderna today. I will now live forever.
Please report back. Many on the next day start feeling bad for about 2-3 days.
@jcocktosten posted:Stef got a J&J appointment today. I am still not remotely eligible
But you're so much older than her! Whatzup with that?
@bman posted:But you're so much older than her! Whatzup with that?
She is on medication that makes her eligible - I am not
@jcocktosten posted:She is on medication that makes her eligible - I am not
I assumed it was because she is cuter than you are.
I resemble that remark
I'm desperate to travel but I have to tell you I'm not really interested in doing it wearing masks and being separated and all the other stuff. I don't believe that's going to be an option until maybe mid-2022.
It makes me wonder about the idea of vaccinated-tourism. Entry into restaurants, museums, etc. upon proof of 2 weeks plus from 2nd vaccination shot or whatever the time period is from the 1st vaccination of Johnson & Johnson's.
@The Old Man posted:I'm desperate to travel but I have to tell you I'm not really interested in doing it wearing masks and being separated and all the other stuff. I don't believe that's going to be an option until maybe mid-2022.
It makes me wonder about the idea of vaccinated-tourism. Entry into restaurants, museums, etc. upon proof of 2 weeks plus from 2nd vaccination shot or whatever the time period is from the 1st vaccination of Johnson & Johnson's.
Texas will let you do whatever you want, so there’s that. Probably some other shithole states as well.
@billhike posted:Texas will let you do whatever you want, so there’s that. Probably some other shithole states as well.
It will be interesting to see how many retailers and other businesses stick to science instead of stupidity and continue to require masks and social distancing in their buildings. For that matter, which way does the populace lean since they voted for these idiots? Are they rushing indoors into movie theatres and restaurants?
RE: Texas, they are really putting the enforcement,if any, on the business owners. Really unfair to them. RE: Old Man, same feeling on travel. Really want to travel somewhere but not willing to short change my vacay with the necessary restrictions. NOT going to Texas! Looking at Mexico end of April, just not sure it's worth the trip right now.
Understand all concerns. For what its worth, we went to Mexico in October and it felt far safer than Florida.
Masks distance sanitizing temp checks amd info taking for contact tracing everywhere
State like Texas amd Florida imposing rule requiring amlnd emforcement on businesses is horrible although at least as to local business shows who cares about health amd saftey and who values only money. There are many places we will no longer patronize
@The Old Man posted:I'm desperate to travel but I have to tell you I'm not really interested in doing it wearing masks and being separated and all the other stuff. I don't believe that's going to be an option until maybe mid-2022.
It makes me wonder about the idea of vaccinated-tourism. Entry into restaurants, museums, etc. upon proof of 2 weeks plus from 2nd vaccination shot or whatever the time period is from the 1st vaccination of Johnson & Johnson's.
I have a card now in my wallet proving the dates of my vaccinations. It is my form of "passport" to enter various establishments.
In Israel, they have what they call the "green passport." Since the fact of vaccination of a person is known to the government, if you have had your two vaccinations, you can download onto your cellphone from a government website a "green passport" allowing you entry into gyms, cinemas, and so forth. Everyone has a cellphone, of course.
@wineismylife posted:Please report back. Many on the next day start feeling bad for about 2-3 days.
My arm was super sore. A bit queasy to stomach next day, then went away. The Mrs. had a sore arm, and a bit of swelling.
The boys' school vaccinated all the teachers and staff and had a few extra doses so my wife got a Pfizer a few weeks back as she volunteers there 3-5 days a week. They did second doses yesterday and had a few extra again so I was able to get my first dose. Sore arm today but otherwise no issues. Looking forward to getting my second down the road.
I made my first work trip in 12 months last week to Florida (Tampa area). I stopped at a Circle K and 8 of the 10 people weren't wearing masks. Seems that way most places I went (except for Bern's). Couldn't wait to get back to Ohio. I feel really bad for business owners that have to go against the Governors and enforce mask wearing on their own.
Florida - America’s schlong.
@wineismylife posted:Please report back. Many on the next day start feeling bad for about 2-3 days.
Shot #2 (Moderna) was received around 10:30 AM on 3/10. As of now (1 PM on 3/11) only two side effects:
1) Minimally tender arm.
2) As you know, Moderna is run by a Greek guy. Probably explains my desire for a plate of olives and feta cheese and a bottle of Assyrtiko.
@irwin posted:I have a card now in my wallet proving the dates of my vaccinations. It is my form of "passport" to enter various establishments.
In Israel, they have what they call the "green passport." Since the fact of vaccination of a person is known to the government, if you have had your two vaccinations, you can download onto your cellphone from a government website a "green passport" allowing you entry into gyms, cinemas, and so forth. Everyone has a cellphone, of course.
I too have such a card, the problem is they could be easily forged--there's no standards nor security on the card. We need a national passport, but I think it's too late now and there could be great resistance to it.
It appears my wife and I have Saturday morning appointments for the Johnson single dose.
It's really uplifting to hear of so many of you getting appointments and getting the "jab." I am more optimistic than I've been in a while that we are finally getting to the finish line of this pandemic.
@Rothko posted:It's really uplifting to hear of so many of you getting appointments and getting the "jab." I am more optimistic than I've been in a while that we are finally getting to the finish line of this pandemic.
There is definitely light at the end of the tunnel and much to be optimistic about but to remain in focus we are only 10% and a smidge vaccinated as of today as a nation. Much work left over then next 3-4 months.
Wife is getting her first Moderna shot today. Has to drive about 50 miles to get it, though. I'm still waiting.....
Trying to schedule an appointment for my mom is so far a major pain in the balls, and it doesn’t help that she lives 65 miles away. But my wife and I did get our J&J single jabs this morning at a mass vaccination event that will do 2,400 of them today. It was well-organized.
Stef got her J and J. Other than the long drive, super easy
Publix opened up their appointments at 7:00 a.m. as usual today. In South Florida, the appointments were gobbled up fast. But now, 6 hours later, there are still appointments available in a bunch of counties up north or out west in the panhandle. You can go online and book one, even as I type this. No one wants them there, I guess.
It's either time to reallocate some of those vaccines to the middle and south part of the State, or time to open up the categories a bit more of eligible persons.
@Rothko posted:Publix opened up their appointments at 7:00 a.m. as usual today. In South Florida, the appointments were gobbled up fast. But now, 6 hours later, there are still appointments available in a bunch of counties up north or out west in the panhandle. You can go online and book one, even as I type this. No one wants them there, I guess.
It's either time to reallocate some of those vaccines to the middle and south part of the State, or time to open up the categories a bit more of eligible persons.
And that is with the age lowered to 60 starting today
Got my first jab of Pfizer this morning via my health care provider. Second jab to follow on 4/5. No symptoms thus far....knock on wood.
The whole thing is weird. Offer 5,000 doses to teachers, only 1,900 show up.
27% of Trumps supports won't take it. Others claim virus doesn't affect young folks.
Granddaughter finally back in school [4th grade] in NJ. Very first day, girl next to her tested positive, now Delia has to quarantine 14 days.
From what I've been able to read, it seems that there are two ways to reach herd immunity: the vaccine; or getting Covid and recovering. If a significant percentage of the population doesn't take the vaccine, then the Covid virus will just continue to spread, perhaps slower than right now, through the unvaccinated population. Those people will either be asymptomatic or they will get sick. Some will go into hospitals, and some will die. The vaccinated people, in the meantime, will be almost entirely immune from serious illness or death. The unvaccinated people are making a decision to gamble that they won't get seriously sick or die. Just as the vaccinated people are making a decision to gamble that the vaccine isn't going to harm them.
If that's the case, once the vaccine becomes readily available to everyone who wants one (apparently by the summer), I see no reason why anyone should continue Covid precautions such as mask wearing or social distancing.
As someone who intends to be fully vaccinated, I will have little or no sympathy for those who voluntarily elected not to take the vaccine but get sick. Just as I am sure that the unvaccinated people will have little or no sympathy for me if I get some terrible complication or illness from the vaccine.
@Insight posted:Got my first jab of Pfizer this morning via my health care provider. Second jab to follow on 4/5. No symptoms thus far....knock on wood.
When I got my first, and then my second, I didn't knock on anything. I just ignored the cassandras and was fine. Those with serious reactions are low.
Canada’s chief public health doctor is reporting that the AZ vaccine is not causing blood clots.
Although she also said border closures were racist, wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them, and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid. Also that the cases in Canada would be 10 times higher than they are as of now if nothing is done and a further harsher lockdown not introduced (for the record what has been done is loosening of restrictions), so I’m taking her pronouncement with something of a healthy degree of skepticism. I’m hopeful she’s right this time though especially since the Europeans seem to be saying the same thing.
Yeah, apparently there's a higher percentage of blood clot cases amongst the general population than with those who have had the AZ vaccine.
17 million AZ vaccinations in Europe and only a handful of blood clots. It's being blown way out of proportion.
Mrs. S had her first shot of AZ on Saturday. She started to feel flu-like, exhausted, spacey on Saturday afternoon. She's a fair bit better now, but is still exhausted 78 hours after the shot.
I completed my second shot of Pfizer about a month ago. I was fine after the first shot, but felt crappy for about 48 hours after the second shot.
Everyone's immune system reacts differently...
@csm posted:Canada’s chief public health doctor is reporting that the AZ vaccine is not causing blood clots.
Although she also said border closures were racist, wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them, and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid. Also that the cases in Canada would be 10 times higher than they are as of now if nothing is done and a further harsher lockdown not introduced (for the record what has been done is loosening of restrictions), so I’m taking her pronouncement with something of a healthy degree of skepticism. I’m hopeful she’s right this time though especially since the Europeans seem to be saying the same thing.
In her defense, when she said "wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid" it was very early in pandemic and many other public health experts were saying the same thing, as I recall.
The problem with AstraZeneca is that it's gotten a bad rap already a couple of times. First, there was the test data problems where they screwed up the dosage on one of the Phase III trials. Then the numbers came back and some countries restricted the vaccine to people less than 65 years old. And now this. While AZ might be an effective vaccine, it has some serious PR problems. I've read that in Germany they can't give the AZ vaccine away - and now they've halted all AZ vaccines due to the blood clot issue.
Look at it this way: If you are given a choice between AZ and either Pfizer, Moderna or J&J, would you choose AZ? I don't think many people would.
So the problem that the US is going to have is when AstraZeneca gets around to applying in the US for emergency use authorization, does the US approve it? Knowing that most Americans aren't going to want it, and we have enough of the other vaccines to cover our population?
If the US doesn't authorize it, that would likely be a death knell for its use in third world and second world countries. I suppose the US could authorize it, and then just ship our allotment of AZ doses overseas for other countries to use. That might present an image problem however; the US keeps the top tier vaccines for itself and ships the second tier vaccines to poor countries.
Regarding reactions, about 8-10 hours after getting the J&J, I had a bit of lethargy as well as minor upper-body muscle aches. My wife had those a little more pronounced as well as the chills. We were both noticeably better the next day.
@bman posted:In her defense, when she said "wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid" it was very early in pandemic and many other public health experts were saying the same thing, as I recall.
Nothing about her is defensible.
@csm posted:Nothing about her is defensible.
Not surprised you'd say something like that, given that you apparently have no use for government or anyone involved in government in any way.
And if "nothing about her is defensible", as you say, I hope that's not an indication that you have an issue with her race and gender. Or maybe you want to edit your comment and choose your words more carefully?
@bman posted:In her defense, when she said "wearing masks is more harmful than not wearing them and that there was no airborne transmission of Covid" it was very early in pandemic and many other public health experts were saying the same thing, as I recall.
I don't think that is totally the reason. I think there was a fear of a shortage of PPE for first responders. Which indeed there was.
@The Old Man posted:When I got my first, and then my second, I didn't knock on anything. I just ignored the cassandras and was fine. Those with serious reactions are low.
My wife and her coworkers got their second jabs back in January from the Moderna batch that was known to have higher than usual reactions amongst many who got it. Although anecdotally there seems to be less reports of bad reactions to the Pfizer vaccine (my mother reported no issues after her second dose), I take nothing for granted.
Upper arm near the shoulder is predictably a little sore at the end of this second day, but nothing that affects range of motion or limits usage of that arm in any way. Hopefully the aftermath of the second jab is rather uneventful as well.
@bman posted:Not surprised you'd say something like that, given that you apparently have no use for government or anyone involved in government in any way.
And if "nothing about her is defensible", as you say, seems you also have an issue with her race and gender. Or maybe you want to edit your comment and choose your words more carefully?
To imply I'm a racist or sexist is unforgiveable. I never said a thing about her race or gender. Why even bring that up?
What a horrible thing to say. I'm simply at a loss but sadly I'm not surprised given my past dealings with you personally and on this forum. Your character or extreme lack thereof is clear for all to see. Shame on you.
@csm posted:To imply I'm a racist or sexist is unforgiveable. I never said a thing about her race or gender. Why even bring that up?
What a horrible thing to say. I'm simply at a loss but sadly I'm not surprised given my past dealings with you personally and on this forum. Your character or extreme lack thereof is clear for all to see. Shame on you.
You said "nothing about her was defensible". Your words, not mine. Perhaps you meant "nothing about her professional advice was defensible", which is why I suggested you might want to edit your comment to better choose different words, if that's what you meant.
But I feel badly that you're so upset, so I edited my comment. Lots of nasty comments out there that mention her gender and especially her race, which led me to presume the worst. My apologies!
Florida is dropping the age for vaccines to 50 and over on Monday. I, and many of my friends, are in that category. The vaccine supply in Florida seems to be improving. I had office-mates and friends who were able to book appointments this morning with Publix, and once again there are still appointments available in the panhandle, hours after the site opened.
It would be nice if the Covid numbers kept dropping. At this point, it looks like they have plateaued. But hopefully the people who are getting infected at this point are not the old, infirm, sick, etc., so the hospitalizations and deaths will continue to drop.
Just got shot #1 of Pfizer. About a month away from eligibility for a (small) fully vaccinated offline!
Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
But Dad, he started it!!
Ha, Sunny is the new Robert!
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
I promise to show my work from now on.
The Mormons report the good news: Pfizer vaccine shots actually stop asymptomatic transmission, too.
@sd-wineaux posted:Just got shot #1 of Pfizer. About a month away from eligibility for a (small) fully vaccinated offline!
More like 6 weeks away, but who's counting? And Dr. Fauci recommends that you err on the side of caution and wear two face masks for the rest of your life. A very small hole, for drinking wine through a straw, may be permissible after you undergo a battery of antibody tests. Smelling the wine without a mask? Forget it.
RAcer117 and I have both had our first shots too and looking forward to a small offline soon too!
@javachip posted:More like 6 weeks away, but who's counting? And Dr. Fauci recommends that you err on the side of caution and wear two face masks for the rest of your life. A very small hole, for drinking wine through a straw, may be permissible after you undergo a battery of antibody tests. Smelling the wine without a mask? Forget it.
Hyperbole alert!
I was finally able to get appointments for my mother - Monday and then 4 weeks later for the second. Huge relief.
@sunnylea57 posted:Personally, I think both of you (bman and csm) could pick your words more carefully. Or simply decide not to engage each other. I like you both, but if I only knew you from this thread I'd not have the greatest opinion of either of you.
CSM, you're very good at dropping one sentence inflammatory bombs in this thread.
Bman, CSM's bombs get under your skin too easily and you invariably rise (or sink) to the occasion.
Now both of you go to your rooms and don't come downstairs again until you're ready to shake hands and make up.
+1 When reading through the posts I had to do a . I know both of you from multiple offlines so the venom surprised me.
WA's dippy governor decided to make qualifying as complicated as possible with (I think it's 16 or more different categories?) So much so, that shots for 1st responders wasn't even available until last Wednesday. I got lumped into that group, so my first Pfizer jab was yesterday at Lumen Field, where the Seahawks play, and where they plan to administer up to 22K vaccines a day. It was surprisingly swift and orderly for such large numbers attending. I was in and out in only 30 minutes, including the 15 I had to wait after. Only side effect was a funny metallic taste in my mouth for a short while, and sore arm lasting into today. Next one will be 4/10.
Looks like the data from the US AstraZenaca trial is pretty good. I assume that the FDA will authorize the shot sometime in April or early May. While we probably won't need the vaccine in the US by the time it gets authorized, FDA approval should assuage concerns in other countries, and hopefully clear the way for more people to want to take it. It is a very inexpensive, easily-stored vaccine, so it would be a boon to third world countries.
For those of you who are fully vaccinated, hold onto your Cards! And Staples will laminate them for free:
I am supposed to get mine either Saturday or Thursday - we shall see.
First jab scheduled for Tuesday - Moderna for me apparently
@Rothko posted:For those of you who are fully vaccinated, hold onto your Cards! And Staples will laminate them for free:
I never got anything but a text notice. 
@mneeley490 posted:I never got anything but a text notice.
When you got your first shot, they should have given you a Card. You may want to check with whoever gave you the vaccine. There are also websites that discuss how to get another card if you've lost yours, so maybe check with those.
@Rothko posted:When you got your first shot, they should have given you a Card. You may want to check with whoever gave you the vaccine. There are also websites that discuss how to get another card if you've lost yours, so maybe check with those.
This is WA state. They rarely do anything right.
Thanks for sharing your experience! I haven't got a shot yet (I'm waiting for my turn). I don't know whether my life change after that (I mean, my attitude), but now I still prefer staying home, taking Vitamin D (according to the latest research and the Canadian pharmacy, its level impacts the severity of Covid), working remotely, and doing sports.
I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday. No side effects, other than slight soreness at the injection site on the arm.
@billhike posted:Congratulations. Ready to slap on a thong and hang on the beach with spring breakers?
Ready? That's what I've been doing for the last year!
On my way to get Moderna shot 1 in 10 minutes
@Rothko posted:I got my second shot of Moderna yesterday. No side effects, other than slight soreness at the injection site on the arm.
Most are OK the first 24 and then it hits for 24 to 48 but you bounce back fast.
My youngest son just got his first appointment scheduled for this Thursday. So by this Thursday all 4 permanent residences of our home will be vaccinated with at least one shot. 
Moderna shot 1 done - 30 minutes door to door.
Far easier than Stef's J&J a few weeks ago which required us driving up to Homestead and back from Key West (should have been a little under 6 hours but ended up taking crazy long thanks to Spring Breaking morons)
@jcocktosten posted:Moderna shot 1 done - 30 minutes door to door.
Far easier than Stef's J&J a few weeks ago which required us driving up to Homestead and back from Key West (should have been a little under 6 hours but ended up taking crazy long thanks to Spring Breaking morons)
Congrats!
It's funny, because in a few months, it is going to be so easy to get the vaccine that those of us who had to go on long trips to get it may feel slightly foolish for having done so. I can remember thinking how a few months ago I would have gone to Panhandle for the shot. I guess I'm glad I didn't.
@Rothko posted:Congrats!
It's funny, because in a few months, it is going to be so easy to get the vaccine that those of us who had to go on long trips to get it may feel slightly foolish for having done so. I can remember thinking how a few months ago I would have gone to Panhandle for the shot. I guess I'm glad I didn't.
Exactly -we did not know - that was what was available for her so we took it
I got my second Modera yesterday and my youngest son got his first Moderna today. So my wife and I both have two shots on board and both sons now have one shot on board. Feeling pretty good about that.
Glad to hear you guys are getting your shots. Over 1 million Marylanders are now fully vaccinated, out of a population of around 6 million. Every day another 50,000 or so get vaccines. Yet, we've had an increase in infections, hospitalizations, etc.
Mrs. H and I got our second Moderna shots yesterday. She is doing fine. I, however, spend last night with chills, screaming headache, tinnitus, and aching everywhere. Things are calming down, but it was brutal for a while. Of course, my Taiwanese wife things Scots are not as tough as we pretend 
Sounds like you had it worst than me haggis. Roughly 24 hours after mine I started getting mild flu like symptoms. But it wasn't anything bad enough that some advil didn't take the edge off. Still a little out of sort right now but hoping by this evening I'll be past it.
Got my second Pfizer shot Wednesday morning, no issues that day. Woke up yesterday very tired with mild persistent headache and fever. Took the day to work from home aka answer calls and emails from bed. Woke up today feeling fine. Very glad to have both doses now.
@haggis posted:Mrs. H and I got our second Moderna shots yesterday. She is doing fine. I, however, spend last night with chills, screaming headache, tinnitus, and aching everywhere. Things are calming down, but it was brutal for a while. Of course, my Taiwanese wife things Scots are not as tough as we pretend
hope you feel better soon, Haggis.
Apparently there is no Covid anymore in Palm Beach. I went to an Easter brunch at our in-laws' club on the island. Almost 900 people in multiple rooms. Huge buffet lines (waiters serving) with virtually no social distancing. Most people wore masks walking around and waiting to get food, but everyone sitting certainly wasn't wearing them. If I hadn't gotten my second vaccine shot a week ago I wouldn't have stayed. I guess I'm going to find out if the vaccine worked - almost like a challenge trial!
Looking around, I suspect that most of the older patrons were vaccinated, but there were lots of multi-generational families with young people and kids. I don't know if I'd call it hubris, but it certainly felt like pre-Covid times.
@Rothko posted:Apparently there is no Covid anymore in Palm Beach. I went to an Easter brunch at our in-laws' club on the island. Almost 900 people in multiple rooms. Huge buffet lines (waiters serving) with virtually no social distancing. Most people wore masks walking around and waiting to get food, but everyone sitting certainly wasn't wearing them. If I hadn't gotten my second vaccine shot a week ago I wouldn't have stayed. I guess I'm going to find out if the vaccine worked - almost like a challenge trial!
Looking around, I suspect that most of the older patrons were vaccinated, but there were lots of multi-generational families with young people and kids. I don't know if I'd call it hubris, but it certainly felt like pre-Covid times.
Did you see the 60 Minutes piece last night on how most of the vaccines in your county went to rich white folk and the well connected while poor folk got none?
@bman posted:Did you see the 60 Minutes piece last night on how most of the vaccines in your county went to rich white folk and the well connected while poor folk got none?
No, I didn't see it, but I am not shocked. To get a vaccine for the last few months in Florida, you either had to know someone (well-connected) or you had to have the time, abilities, computer-savvy and equipment, to log on and get a vaccine (rich white folk).
@Rothko posted:No, I didn't see it, but I am not shocked. To get a vaccine for the last few months in Florida, you either had to know someone (well-connected) or you had to have the time, abilities, computer-savvy and equipment, to log on and get a vaccine (rich white folk).
And live near a Publix too. Which many poor don't, apparently. Or, donate a whack of cash to de Santis.
@Rothko posted:...If I hadn't gotten my second vaccine shot a week ago I wouldn't have stayed. I guess I'm going to find out if the vaccine worked - almost like a challenge trial!
Fully vaccinated people should not be going, at this point, into spaces with unvaccinated, unmasked people, especially with the variants going around. No vaccine is 100% effective. I doubt if there will be any change to this until perhaps sometime in 2022.
I heard that at the Texas Rangers home opener they will have 40,000 spectators. That is a bit of idiocy.
Today is the first day that all Floridian adults are eligible for the vaccine (before today it was 40 and up). You would think that there would be huge demand, in all parts of the state. Interestingly, that's not the case. Publix offered vaccine appointments this morning. As usual, South and Middle Florida gobbled them up. But there are lots of available appointments in North Florida and the Panhandle. So either all the under 40 people in North Florida and the Panhandle already got their Covid vaccines somehow earlier than now, or they aren't planning to get them. I think I know the answer to that riddle.
Publix really needs to reallocate more vaccine to the south, where it remains in high demand.
@irwin posted:I heard that at the Texas Rangers home opener they will have 40,000 spectators. That is a bit of idiocy.
Very much so. Full capacity. Everybody is asked to wear a mask except while eating and drinking. Well, from the photos I've seen so far apparently everybody in attendance is eating and drinking non stop. 
@Rothko posted:Today is the first day that all Floridian adults are eligible for the vaccine (before today it was 40 and up). You would think that there would be huge demand, in all parts of the state. Interestingly, that's not the case. Publix offered vaccine appointments this morning. As usual, South and Middle Florida gobbled them up. But there are lots of available appointments in North Florida and the Panhandle. So either all the under 40 people in North Florida and the Panhandle already got their Covid vaccines somehow earlier than now, or they aren't planning to get them. I think I know the answer to that riddle.
Publix really needs to reallocate more vaccine to the south, where it remains in high demand.
Not a riddle. Geography. "Floribama".
@wineismylife posted:Very much so. Full capacity. Everybody is asked to wear a mask except while eating and drinking. Well, from the photos I've seen so far apparently everybody in attendance is eating and drinking non stop.
will be interesting to see how many infections are diagnosed among these folks. Does anyone remember the White House superspreader when Barrett was introduced? A couple hundred people and a dozen or so reported infections. Here, of course, some of the Rangers' fans have been immunized. But surely not all or close to it.
In what has to be a first, the CDC issued an advisory to Americans recommending avoiding travel to Canada due to the variants currently active here (must be the variants other than the UK one). Wow.
@csm posted:In what has to be a first, the CDC issued an advisory to Americans recommending avoiding travel to Canada due to the variants currently active here (must be the variants other than the UK one). Wow.
I feel special.
@csm posted:In what has to be a first, the CDC issued an advisory to Americans recommending avoiding travel to Canada due to the variants currently active here (must be the variants other than the UK one). Wow.
As more and more of my “fellow Americans” are willingly making the conversion to full-on, open and proud jagoffs, I’d consider it a blessing.
@billhike posted:As more and more of my “fellow Americans” are willingly making the conversion to full-on, open and proud jagoffs, I’d consider it a blessing.
Ha!
Selfishly I want to go to the lake and I can’t until we can drive sans quarantine, so this was not promising news.
@bman posted:Did you see the 60 Minutes piece last night on how most of the vaccines in your county went to rich white folk and the well connected while poor folk got none?
And the story was totally false. Hit piece...doesn’t stop you fools from running with it...and that’s why they do it. Christ we are in depressing times in this country. Thank God Biden is President.
got my 1st pfizer jab yesterday sore arm, weird symptoms, tips of my fingers are numb, but no coughs/flus, and been doing my nightly mile jog.
@napacat posted:And the story was totally false. Hit piece...doesn’t stop you fools from running with it...and that’s why they do it. Christ we are in depressing times in this country. Thank God Biden is President.
I wish it was totally false but the data says otherwise:
DeSantis criticized for giving special vaccine access to wealthy neighborhoods like Lakewood Ranch | WFLA
COVID Florida vaccine rates by county from richest to poorest (tallahassee.com)
Mrs. Rothko got her second Moderna shot yesterday. She's at home, in bed, with body aches, chills, arm pain, and nausea. Hoping it doesn't last long. My son got his on Wednesday and said he felt a little run down yesterday, but not too bad.
Publix opened up their Florida appointment website and they still have plenty of vaccine appointments available. I think demand is beginning to drop substantially. My prediction is that by the end of the month, vaccines in Florida will be given on a walk-in basis.
There is no dispute that they had their own vaccination site at Ocean Reef Club here in the Keys - which is largely populated by rich, conservative DeSantis supporters - in early-mid- January - long before most were able to get them.
Of course all involved denied anything inappropriate. DeSantis said he had nothing to do with it and Baptist Hospital and Monroe County said it was done at the State's request.