@Rothko posted:The superspreader event at the White House, the most tested and protected place in the world, shows just how insidious this virus can be. If the White House can become a hot spot or Covid cluster, what chances do our schools have?
Well, most schools aren't full of brainwashed trumpanzees. So there's that!
I think you are correct. Schools could actually implement safety protocols better than the White House, if they wanted to and had the resources. Testing, tracing, masks, PPE, etc.
@Rothko posted:I think you are correct. Schools could actually implement safety protocols better than the White House, if they wanted to and had the resources. Testing, tracing, masks, PPE, etc.
My boys school does Temp checks at the door, masks all day long, smaller class size with desks socially distant. Sanitation stations everywhere. For my son in Junior High they stay with their 'group' for the day. So yes, I feel like the school is safer than the WH
"PS: This will be the first year my family and I can't go skiing in the Alps because of the pandemic. Normally it's because we can't afford it."--email from Penguin Magic
Virtual debate. Yeah! Or better yet, none.
"I don't think I'm contagious at all."
@flwino posted:Virtual debate. Yeah! Or better yet, none.
Afraid? Cowards. Not a single valid reason they should not debate ( if Trump tests negative).
@napacat posted:Afraid? Cowards. Not a single valid reason they should not debate ( if Trump tests negative).
How would we know since the WH refuses to say when he was tested or release the results of his tests. No doubt because they show he is positive and infectious.
As for cowards, it's Trump who is refusing to debate, not Biden! And it's the Debate Commission who made the decision to go with a virtual debate, not Biden. And they did so to follow the WH's own directives on the virus.
Try to keep up, Napa!
He can't, he literally pulled that statement off of what breibart was publishing.
so again, not an original thought coming from the copy paster. pretty sad being such a sheep
@patespo1 posted:My boys school does Temp checks at the door, masks all day long, smaller class size with desks socially distant. Sanitation stations everywhere. For my son in Junior High they stay with their 'group' for the day. So yes, I feel like the school is safer than the WH
Yea, my schools doing the same.
Each desk also has individual cubby shields, and the kids stay together, with janitorial services doing a rotational cleaning when the grades have a staggered lunch break.
Two kids in the older grade came in with coughs and complaining of headaches, they were sent home immediately. Turns out both kids tested positive, now that entire class is on 2 weeks quarantine.
I cannot believe the images of this Trump rally in Florida. By coincidence I just got finished re-watching Idiocracy.
@g-man posted:He can't, he literally pulled that statement off of what breibart was publishing.
so again, not an original thought coming from the copy paster. pretty sad being such a sheep
B-man and G-man are living in alternate worlds from me. I’ve never read Breitbart’s website. Trump is C-19 free and testing negative...why could they not debate on Thursday. Simply trying to hide that fool Biden who thinks he is running for senate. I cannot believe how spoonfed some of you are and think this is legit. How is it there is not one negative story on Biden or Harris on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC Or ABC? Defies logic...unless they are in the tank.
@napacat posted:B-man and G-man are living in alternate worlds from me. I’ve never read Breitbart’s website. Trump is C-19 free and testing negative...why could they not debate on Thursday. Simply trying to hide that fool Biden who thinks he is running for senate. I cannot believe how spoonfed some of you are and think this is legit. How is it there is not one negative story on Biden or Harris on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC Or ABC? Defies logic...unless they are in the tank.
Two things:
-CNN at least has run a number of stories unfavourable to Biden, most recently his refusal to clarify his view on stacking the Supreme Court, ditto the other major networks. BTW, did you decide CBS, NBC and ABC are not legit before they started reporting on Trump's lies, nonsense, contradictions, etc. or only when they did their jobs by doing so?
-how about you spell my moniker correctly, and g-man's too, while you're at it? Especially since the latter is in the message to which you are responding?
One story on stacking and now the Dems try to change the definition of what stacking is! Opposed to multiple negative stories on Trump daily. Nice try...not working. You really sound quite foolish with a moronic attempt like that.
@napacat posted:One story on stacking and now the Dems try to change the definition of what stacking is! Opposed to multiple negative stories on Trump daily. Nice try...not working. You really sound quite foolish with a moronic attempt like that.
There wouldn't be multiple negative stories on Trump daily if he didn't say and do so many stupid things daily!
@napacat posted:B-man and G-man are living in alternate worlds from me. I’ve never read Breitbart’s website. Trump is C-19 free and testing negative...why could they not debate on Thursday. Simply trying to hide that fool Biden who thinks he is running for senate. I cannot believe how spoonfed some of you are and think this is legit. How is it there is not one negative story on Biden or Harris on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC Or ABC? Defies logic...unless they are in the tank.
your statements are simply repostings of what was on breibart. You seem to both lack the knowledge or the ability to find appropriate sources of information. All of the websites you read are simply republishing of the same single article source.
Every one of your talking points has no originality, and unless painfully naive and simple, clearly are the voice of someone else.
So keep on bleating, I'm sure b-man sleeps just as well as I do being successful members of society.
A second vaccine trial goes on hold as the Johnson & Johnson Phase III trial reports a patient with an unexplained illness.
Moderna and Pfizer still conducting their Phase III trials, but with J&J on hold and Astrazenaca still on hold, it's not looking too great for an early authorization of a vaccine.
@napacat posted:One story on stacking and now the Dems try to change the definition of what stacking is! Opposed to multiple negative stories on Trump daily. Nice try...not working. You really sound quite foolish with a moronic attempt like that.
This shill must be watching and editing dumpsters other great channel OANN.
@napacat posted:B-man and G-man are living in alternate worlds from me. I’ve never read Breitbart’s website. Trump is C-19 free and testing negative...why could they not debate on Thursday. Simply trying to hide that fool Biden who thinks he is running for senate. I cannot believe how spoonfed some of you are and think this is legit. How is it there is not one negative story on Biden or Harris on CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC Or ABC? Defies logic...unless they are in the tank.
And there have been only two stories around the domestic terrorists looking to kidnap and potentially assassinate the Governor of Michigan on Fox News. And those two stories you have to do a search for because they did not show up on any of the pages. Of course they called them Militia and contemplated that they were actually just going to citizen arrest a criminal Governor when in fact they are White Supremist domestic Terrorists...
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"The former New York City mayor [Rudy Giuliani] attending a Columbus Day gathering of Italian Americans for Trump and speaking without wearing a mask when he made the egregious comment.
"'People don’t die of this disease anymore,' he said to the nodding of heads and verbal agreement in the audience. 'Young people don’t die at all. Middle-aged people die very little. And even elderly people have a 1% chance of dying.'"
Trump is so desperate he's willing to risk the lives of thousands of his cult members by holding daily "we love you daddy" rallies. Masks and social distancing of course are not a requirement because he's too smart to believe in them. "I really get this stuff."
He may not get the coronavirus stuff but he gets that he has to go to Iowa a state that he won four years ago by 10%.
Tick, tick, boom.
Got to give those rural farmers in Iowa some credit.
My favorite are the morons you see there who are the few who are wearing masks at today's rally. Since masks are meant to protect others and not yourself you've got to be some kind of stupid to be staying there taking the virus seriously while surrounded by thousands who don't.
What is really interesting is to go to the beginning of this thread and read the posts. It's like a history lesson. The first post was by Rothko on 2/26/20. Here we are around 7 1/2 months later. Amazing read.
I started reading the thread again from the beginning. It is fascinating to see the progression, especially in the beginning. Like a movie script from a disaster film.
It was actually very enlightening to see how people reacted, both the folks who thought that the virus might be serious, and others on here who downplayed it.
At least in the beginning, I had this completely unrealistic hope that the whole thing might be over by May or June and we'd be able to go back to our normal lives. Naïve, I will admit. But my prediction that Florida was going to become a major hot spot in the summer was dead-on accurate.
@Rothko posted:I started reading the thread again from the beginning. It is fascinating to see the progression, especially in the beginning. Like a movie script from a disaster film.
It was actually very enlightening to see how people reacted, both the folks who thought that the virus might be serious, and others on here who downplayed it.
At least in the beginning, I had this completely unrealistic hope that the whole thing might be over by May or June and we'd be able to go back to our normal lives. Naïve, I will admit. But my prediction that Florida was going to become a major hot spot in the summer was dead-on accurate.
My wife and I love trash reality tv after putting our kids to bed. Some of the new seasons are just coming out now, and to look back at the world as they were filmed with Covid just breaking, and seeing peoples' reactions have been surreal.
I wonder if I should be worried that the two guys with cubicles closest to mine are out with fever today...
Folks [fools] here state that there is evidence that masks do not work. When asked where they get the information, all they say is "the evidence is there to see." Like where? Again a blank starr.
There's a new theory from the Jerusalem Post talking about how 70% of new cases were from mask wearers and is now spreading amongst the same old "news" outlets.
Which is clearly a misrepresentation of the data acutally being reported
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum.../pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
consindering the "70%" of masks wearers apparently all caught their covid cases in high risk areas and also compared to the control group, they are not as compliant. ie selective mask wearers.
@flwino posted:Folks [fools] here state that there is evidence that masks do not work. When asked where they get the information, all they say is "the evidence is there to see." Like where? Again a blank starr.
God you are a blithering moron. Do you only watch MSNBC? The CDC reported the other day that 70.6% of positive C-19 patients reported that they "always" wear a mask. An additional 14.4% reported they often wear a mask (that's 85%...didn't want you to tax yourself doing math).
Only 3.9% of those infected said they never wear a face covering. Follow the science tater.
@g-man posted:There's a new theory from the Jerusalem Post talking about how 70% of new cases were from mask wearers and is now spreading amongst the same old "news" outlets.
Which is clearly a misrepresentation of the data acutally being reported
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum.../pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
consindering the "70%" of masks wearers apparently all caught their covid cases in high risk areas and also compared to the control group, they are not as compliant. ie selective mask wearers.
Nice post...report was form the CDC....all you do is copy and paste. SAD.
@napacat posted:God you are a blithering moron. Do you only watch MSNBC? The CDC reported the other day that 70.6% of positive C-19 patients reported that they "always" wear a mask. An additional 14.4% reported they often wear a mask (that's 85%...didn't want you to tax yourself doing math).
Only 3.9% of those infected said they never wear a face covering. Follow the science tater.
Source please? I don't find any corroborating information on this. Thanks.
PH
@purplehaze posted:Source please? I don't find any corroborating information on this. Thanks.
PH
Found it. Surprise surprise, Napa omitted some important details. Probably because Fox or Breitbart or Q or wherever he gets his "facts" did so too.
did you not even see my post napa?
I literally posted the actual CDC study, and in bold Errata posted.
now I know for sure napa doesn't acutally read any of the sources that are posted. He just waits to be spoon fed by someone else on tv.
Let's start simple napasheep. Reading is fundamental
@bman posted:And he ignored the debunking of his out of context analysis that I posted above.
I mean it's common sense
the Study explicitly pointed out what happens when individuals enter locations in close contact with those infected.
They list sites like being inside bars/restaurants in close proximity to infected people. Unless you have special powers, i'd like to know how folks can eat with a mask on, so in those instances they clearly got it when they weren't wearing a mask.
Or is the ability to understand studies and deduct from their conclusions too difficult for some people?
@g-man posted:did you not even see my post napa?
I literally posted the actual CDC study, and in bold Errata posted.
Give him a break. As I recently stated he is truly the dumbest person on the forum.
@napacat posted:God you are a blithering moron. Do you only watch MSNBC? The CDC reported the other day that 70.6% of positive C-19 patients reported that they "always" wear a mask. An additional 14.4% reported they often wear a mask (that's 85%...didn't want you to tax yourself doing math).
Only 3.9% of those infected said they never wear a face covering. Follow the science tater.
Watch BBC. Read A German paper & a French paper. Add NPR to the mix. As for US I catch NBC, CBS
"U.S. surpasses 66,000 new cases in a single day for the first time since July."
"Like a miracle, one day it will just vanish."
Miracles have already vanished
It will vanish one day. One day, the Sun will burn all of its hydrogen, turn into a white dwarf, and the Earth will turn into a lifeless shell where not even viruses will survive. So yes, one day, it will disappear. You just have to hang in there for 7 billion more years.
@Rothko posted:It will vanish one day. One day, the Sun will burn all of its hydrogen, turn into a white dwarf, and the Earth will turn into a lifeless shell where not even viruses will survive. So yes, one day, it will disappear. You just have to hang in there for 7 billion more years.
Actually it will first turn into a red giant and the orbit of earth will be inside the sun's sphere. And don't feel so complacent. I believe the correct figure for this event (red giant phase) is closer to only 5 billion years.
@flwino posted:Watch BBC. Read A German paper & a French paper. Add NPR to the mix. As for US I catch NBC, CBS
I'd add the japan post, and the financial times, and that govt control scmp and the russian media sputnik too.
bbc though has some really fun personal articles too.
@The Old Man posted:Actually it will first turn into a red giant and the orbit of earth will be inside the sun's sphere. And don't feel so complacent. I believe the correct figure for this event (red giant phase) is closer to only 5 billion years.
my understanding is that earth will lose it's magnetic field, thereby eliminated our atmosphere making us a barron rock at around 3 billion years.
@g-man posted:my understanding is that earth will lose it's magnetic field, thereby eliminated our atmosphere making us a barron rock at around 3 billion years.
So Barron Trump will still be around in 3 billion years? I may be gone before then, but I am much older.
@g-man posted:my understanding is that earth will lose it's magnetic field, thereby eliminated our atmosphere making us a barron rock at around 3 billion years.
I don't want to start a panic here. Fake news.
@flwino posted:Watch BBC. Read A German paper & a French paper. Add NPR to the mix. As for US I catch NBC, CBS
That's your problem. I listen to NPR. Watch MSNBC, CNN and the like...and can completely tell when I am being played by these idiots. Believe the Hunter Biden email story or not that just came out...but to not have one major network report on it and have it not even be addressed in the town hall with Stephanopolous is incredulous.
@g-man posted:I'd add the japan post, and the financial times, and that govt control scmp and the russian media sputnik too.
bbc though has some really fun personal articles too.
Financial Times is good...as is the WSJ.
@g-man posted:I mean it's common sense
the Study explicitly pointed out what happens when individuals enter locations in close contact with those infected.
They list sites like being inside bars/restaurants in close proximity to infected people. Unless you have special powers, i'd like to know how folks can eat with a mask on, so in those instances they clearly got it when they weren't wearing a mask.
Or is the ability to understand studies and deduct from their conclusions too difficult for some people?
Restaurants are not the same as bars and are not as high of a risk. What are you supposed to do..wear your mask inside your house all day? Of course mask wearing will be while you are out. The point you are missing is that only 3.9% of people caught C-19 that NEVER wear a mask. The majority of spread is individual households (67%). The majority of deaths are in nursing homes.
As you just wrote...the study was when people entered locations in close contact with INFECTED people. With only 2% of the population infected (Cumulative and not currently at 8 Million people, as at least 4M would have recovered by now) it is far less of an issue than being portrayed.
@napacat posted:Restaurants are not the same as bars and are not as high of a risk. What are you supposed to do..wear your mask inside your house all day? Of course mask wearing will be while you are out. The point you are missing is that only 3.9% of people caught C-19 that NEVER wear a mask. The majority of spread is individual households (67%). The majority of deaths are in nursing homes.
As you just wrote...the study was when people entered locations in close contact with INFECTED people. With only 2% of the population infected (Cumulative and not currently at 8 Million people, as at least 4M would have recovered by now) it is far less of an issue than being portrayed.
You say you watch other news sources but all your so-called facts seem to come from the ranters and ravers on Fox in the evenings. Here are the actual facts re that CDC study you and Fox love to misrepresent:
A CDC study released in September, did not say that 85% of people who wear masks get infected with coronavirus. In fact, it did not even attempt to figure out what percentage of people who wear a mask get infected with the coronavirus.
Rather, the study looked at the behavior of 154 symptomatic people who had tested positive for the coronavirus in July around the country and 160 people who reported symptoms but tested negative in July.
The study found that, of those 154 people, 85% said they had worn a mask either “always” or “often” over the 14 days prior to the onset of their illness. That’s where the 85% figure comes from.
Of the 160 people in the study who had tested negative, however, 88.7% said they had worn a mask either “always” or “often.” So there’s really no difference between people who wore masks and those who didn’t.
And that’s not even the point here.
Trump was suggesting that the CDC found that 85% of all people who wear masks get coronavirus. But the CDC was just looking at the behavior of these 314 symptomatic people who sought out testing at 11 particular sites around the country in July.
Here’s how one of the co-authors, Christopher Lindsell, co-director of the Health Data Science Center at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, described the study’s data on masks:
“The data suggest that among a group of patients who are already showing symptoms that prompted them to get testing for the virus, there was no statistical evidence of a difference in mask wearing behavior between those who tested positive and those who tested negative,” Lindsell said in an email. “This is very different from the question of whether wearing masks prevents you becoming infected with the virus, and it is also different to the question of how many or what percentage of people who wear masks contract the virus. The study was not designed to answer these questions.”
You guys continuing to try and reason with 45’s dedicated scrotelicker is as productive as Joe Thornton going to the Leafs for a chance at the Stanley Cup.
@napacat posted:Restaurants are not the same as bars and are not as high of a risk. What are you supposed to do..wear your mask inside your house all day? Of course mask wearing will be while you are out. The point you are missing is that only 3.9% of people caught C-19 that NEVER wear a mask. The majority of spread is individual households (67%). The majority of deaths are in nursing homes.
As you just wrote...the study was when people entered locations in close contact with INFECTED people. With only 2% of the population infected (Cumulative and not currently at 8 Million people, as at least 4M would have recovered by now) it is far less of an issue than being portrayed.
Considering it's my profession to look at stats/numbers and understand white papers, your "interpretation" is neither qualified nor even remotely corrected based on the CDC study.
And btw, majority of deaths over the front part of the pandemic was nursing homes. Hasn't been the case in a few months. Catch up. or are you still stuck back in Feb?
@billhike posted:One of them tested positive, along with his wife. Yay.
This is not good. I'm sure you'll be okay but it's a reminder of how serious this is. Again I'm older than you and I will not go inside any buildings but for a doctor appointment, blood work or x-ray. The people you work for need to get in their heads not to dick with this virus.
@The Old Man posted:This is not good. I'm sure you'll be okay but it's a reminder of how serious this is. Again I'm older than you and I will not go inside any buildings but for a doctor appointment, blood work or x-ray. The people you work for need to get in their heads not to dick with this virus.
The company has gotten quite a bit better about things in the last month and a half or so. The couple people I’ve seen not masking up, I actually spoke with and I’ve been vocal in meetings we’ve had about Covid. Everyone masks up before leaving their office/cubicle. Not perfect, but way better than some of the cavalier stuff early on.
Feeling fine now - my last exposure to the guy in question was Wednesday. There is a testing site two miles from where I live, so I’m there the second I notice anything. I haven’t been a flu shot guy for a while, but that changes now.
I attended (by zoom) a "fireside chat" with Dr. Fauci yesterday sponsored by the public health school at Johns Hopkins from where my wife got her doctorate.
He says we are likely in some deep trouble over the next few months as people tire of wearing masks, etc., and as we move inside in parts of the country that are colder. He has a way of sounding both pessimistic and upbeat at the same time.
He said that most important of the various recommendations (masks, handwashing, social distancing, avoiding large crowds) is the final one. Don't go to an indoor restaurant or bar, a gym, and travel with crowds only for emergency travel. Dr. Fauci seemed to think that facts and data were important.
Meanwhile, today 36 states are seeing profound increases in their positive tests.
It's hard to believe the president of the United States is apparently trying to create super spreader events over many states.
@The Old Man posted:It's hard to believe the president of the United States is apparently trying to create super spreader events over many states.
Not hard to believe at all when the President is this guy. He will do whatever he can to win and doesn't care who gets hurt or dies in the process. Wonder if the votes he loses through sickness and death are less than those he gets, given that perhaps everyone who attends was already gonna vote for him?
@irwin posted:I attended (by zoom) a "fireside chat" with Dr. Fauci yesterday sponsored by the public health school at Johns Hopkins from where my wife got her doctorate.
He says we are likely in some deep trouble over the next few months as people tire of wearing masks, etc., and as we move inside in parts of the country that are colder. He has a way of sounding both pessimistic and upbeat at the same time.
He said that most important of the various recommendations (masks, handwashing, social distancing, avoiding large crowds) is the final one. Don't go to an indoor restaurant or bar, a gym, and travel with crowds only for emergency travel. Dr. Fauci seemed to think that facts and data were important.
Meanwhile, today 36 states are seeing profound increases in their positive tests.
why do you need to listen to fauci when you have something called common sense? something this country is sorely lacking
Can confidently say that Mexico is handling this exponentially better than us. When we got back to the Miami airport last night, I noted to Stef how sad it was that we seem to have become a third world nation - if that has become and offensive term - I apologize
Was utterly insane
@The Old Man posted:It's hard to believe the president of the United States is apparently trying to create super spreader events over many states.
Look at the states he goes to, and compare that to the virus spread. I think we have a corally. IMHO
@jcocktosten posted:Can confidently say that Mexico is handling this exponentially better than us. When we got back to the Miami airport last night, I noted to Stef how sad it was that we seem to have become a third world nation - if that has become and offensive term - I apologize
Was utterly insane
What was insane? The scene at the airport? Lack of testing/quarantine? Something else?
@csm posted:What was insane? The scene at the airport? Lack of testing/quarantine? Something else?
Mass overcrowding, no sanitizer, no temp. checking, no social distancing, no real enforcement of mask requirements, 8 flights leaving from same commuter gate at once (so people could not distance even if they wanted to) -
Int'l terminal for departure for trip was ok, domestic American terminal was horrid.
Every single store and restaurant in Mexico we went to required masks, did temp. checks, mandatory sanitizer, shoe sanitizers, many made you register name and phone number, we distanced etc. - except for one place which we opted not to enter.
Naturally I cannot say the impact on spread that these measures have but at least the effort being made was almost uniform -
I will add that by finding one of the few gates with no flights, we managed to find an area with fewer people and we avoided the boarding area for our flight entirely until shortly before takeoff when the majority of the overcrowding had ended as the other flights had left.
I think that answered that question.
@jcocktosten posted:I will add that by finding one of the few gates with no flights, we managed to find an area with fewer people and we avoided the boarding area for our flight entirely until shortly before takeoff when the majority of the overcrowding had ended as the other flights had left.
Wow that is crazy. We are planning on traveling to DC before Christmas to see my in-laws, but this may make us re-think things.
@csm posted:Wow that is crazy. We are planning on traveling to DC before Christmas to see my in-laws, but this may make us re-think things.
By reports, American is doing less than other airlines like Delta and Southwest - middle seats full etc. Stef talked to some of the gate agents at the disaster gate and they were extremely unhappy.
We flew AeroMexico (partner with Delta) to and from Miami to Mexico City and that flight, boarding etc., really was fine - and much better than the American part of the trip which was a whopping 30 minute flight from Miami to Key West
You can't make this stuff up, “He’ll [Biden] listen to the scientists." The horror.
@The Old Man posted:You can't make this stuff up, “He’ll [Biden] listen to the scientists." The horror.
Until the 2016 election, I would never have thought that in the country I was born in and have lived my whole life that: (1) the president of the U.S. would say such things; and (2) that it would actually resonate and be supported by a sizeable segment of the population.
What on earth has happened to us?
@jcocktosten posted:Until the 2016 election, I would never have thought that in the country I was born in and have lived my whole life that: (1) the president of the U.S. would say such things; and (2) that it would actually resonate and be supported by a sizeable segment of the population.
What on earth has happened to us?
The Cubs won a World Series, and Slayer retired.
@jcocktosten posted:Until the 2016 election, I would never have thought that in the country I was born in and have lived my whole life that: (1) the president of the U.S. would say such things; and (2) that it would actually resonate and be supported by a sizeable segment of the population.
What on earth has happened to us?
I think the elements that led to Trump's election have been percolating for a while. Ignorance of basic civics, growing disrespect for expertise, people who couldn't handle a black President and the takeover of the Republican Party by people guilty of all of the above. Add a two party system, which breeds polarization, primaries that feed that polarization by over-empowering the fringes on both sides and the electoral college and you get whackadoodles like Trump and his Trumpanzees.
Add in a true lack of basic understanding of science into the mix too.
@jcocktosten posted:Mass overcrowding, no sanitizer, no temp. checking, no social distancing, no real enforcement of mask requirements, 8 flights leaving from same commuter gate at once (so people could not distance even if they wanted to) -
Int'l terminal for departure for trip was ok, domestic American terminal was horrid.
Every single store and restaurant in Mexico we went to required masks, did temp. checks, mandatory sanitizer, shoe sanitizers, many made you register name and phone number, we distanced etc. - except for one place which we opted not to enter.
Naturally I cannot say the impact on spread that these measures have but at least the effort being made was almost uniform -
you'd only need to look at how japan/south korea/taiwan is doing to see that you can return to normalcy and still keep this under wraps if you had a federal plan and some proper leadership.
@g-man posted:you'd only need to look at how japan/south korea/taiwan is doing to see that you can return to normalcy and still keep this under wraps if you had a federal plan and some proper leadership.
Basically what we said
"People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
No comment needed.
@The Old Man posted:"People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."
No comment needed.
Especially the Idiot-in-Chief!
@billhike posted:You mean their leaders don’t publicly ridicule health experts?
japanese people are way too polite to ridicule others
Good luck trying to scroll through all this:
'It's going to disappear': A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanish
(Once again the lamestream media is trying to harm Dear Leader by actually quoting him directly. I don't know how they get away with this and once Trump becomes dictator perpetuo we will jail all those reporters who played gotcha.)
The First Lady is showing some sense that her “husband” won’t by not attending the “rally” tonight. I wonder if he is borrowing her “ I don’t care do you” jacket.
Where I live reverts back to phase 3 on Friday. No more indoor service at bars and restaurants. While my wife and I have only done patio dining anyway, it sucks for those businesses and their employees. I have a lot of friends who are servers and bartenders. We’ll try ordering carry-out a little more often to support local places we like while we can.
Wow. So you're slipping from 4 into 3. San Diego County is very close to slipping back to the worst level. A lot of it was driven a month ago by an outbreak at SDSU.
Florida is "full steam ahead - we're open!"
A 28 year old participant in the AstraZeneca vaccine trial in Brazil died from Covid complications. Turns out he was in the placebo group. Rest in Peace.
My wife and I thankfully both tested negative. HR at work sent out a formal notice requiring masks whenever you are away from your desk, talking to anyone. And entering/exiting the building. Once I’m back in the office, I’ll vociferously call out anyone not complying.
@Rothko posted:A 28 year old participant in the AstraZeneca vaccine trial in Brazil died from Covid complications. Turns out he was in the placebo group. Rest in Peace.
the sheer number of drugs that fail testing in a year is staggering, so i'm surprised people are considering such reports as news. Gilead's remdesivir rapid approval is surprising considering a few studies came out saying its efficacy wasn't that great, but i guess the phase 3 trials showed it didn't kill that many people so it was okay to let it go?
@billhike posted:My wife and I thankfully both tested negative. HR at work sent out a formal notice requiring masks whenever you are away from your desk, talking to anyone. And entering/exiting the building. Once I’m back in the office, I’ll vociferously call out anyone not complying.
That’s great news!
With the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus now than before...what are you all worried about? Trying like the devil to not contract it....but I don’t think I’m as fearful as the whistleblower Billhike. And the numbers of current people infected are relatively low...just take the total infected from the last 14-20 days...any positives prior are over.
@napacat posted:With the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus now than before...what are you all worried about? Trying like the devil to not contract it....but I don’t think I’m as fearful as the whistleblower Billhike. And the numbers of current people infected are relatively low...just take the total infected from the last 14-20 days...any positives prior are over.
It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
@bman posted:It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
oh i know exactly where those lines from. You can just hear echos of it during tonight's debate. Easier to make up shit as you go along as oppose to figure out the actual numbers and what they acutally mean.
anyhow here are the actual numbers
https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...covidview/index.html
"Nationally, weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rates reported through COVID-NET have remained steady for all age groups in recent weeks; however, rates have increased in 7 of 14 COVID-NET sites during this time period. Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 41 was 7.2% and, while declining, remains above the epidemic threshold. Hospitalization and mortality data for the most recent weeks may change as additional data are reported."
The AstraZeneca vaccine trial is back on in the US, and the Johnson & Johnson trial is about to get the green light to restart soon. So good news.
@jcocktosten posted:Until the 2016 election, I would never have thought that in the country I was born in and have lived my whole life that: (1) the president of the U.S. would say such things; and (2) that it would actually resonate and be supported by a sizeable segment of the population.
What on earth has happened to us?
Liberals and woke morons.
@napacat posted:Liberals and woke morons.
That is very coherent, thanks for clarifying
@jcocktosten posted:That is very coherent, thanks for clarifying
His version of “taters”.
@napacat posted:Liberals and woke morons.
it's pretty amazing that you realize that these are the same folks who think that manual physical hard labor is the end all to human civilization
@bman posted:It's not clear what you're trying to say above ("with the actual mortality rate and better handle on the virus than before: - what does that mean?? "any positives are over" - what does that mean??) but the US daily death rate since the first death is 909.6 deaths a day. Yesterday there were 1,225 deaths, over a third more than the daily rate since Day One. And infection rates are rising in most states and falling in none. So if you are saying things are looking up -- wrong wrong wrong. Things are getting worse and will continue to get worse. Exactly the opposite of what Trump is saying.
My point is all of the positive case numbers are cumulative.... but in reality we all know there are not that many people who still have it. Take any state, county , city and only use the numbers for the past 14-20 days. That is the amount we know are positive. Anyone who was positive before that date has recovered, perished or can no longer transmit.
@napacat posted:My point is all of the positive case numbers are cumulative.... but in reality we all know there are not that many people who still have it. Take any state, county , city and only use the numbers for the past 14-20 days. That is the amount we know are positive. Anyone who was positive before that date has recovered, perished or can no longer transmit.
Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
@bman posted:Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
Exactly. And the number of NEW cases is increasing. So much so that even the WH was telling Tennessee to tighten up. It's pointless discussing this with some people. It's like arguing with a flat earther.
out in Garrett County, Maryland, the westernmost county in the state, where we have a vacation home, there were 75 positive cases on 9/30/20. Today, 24 days later, there are 123 cases. That's a rather steep increase in a short time. This is not a good thing.
Just a few weeks ago, there were more Covid cases in the White House than in all of Taiwan.
That aside, how about this:
If we don't do cancer screenings, there won't be any cancer! Wow...miracle!
If we don't test immigration status, there won't be any illegal immigrants! Yeah!
At least five people in Vice President Mike Pence's orbit have tested positive for coronavirus in recent days, including chief of staff Marc Short and outside adviser Marty Obst Guess they tested too often
@bman posted:Nope, wrong. As of today, 8,814,771 confirmed infections 5,733,570 recovered, 229,985 dead. Which means 2,851,216 not recovered, according to this internationally respected non-partisan website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Or, if you prefer another internationally respected non-partisan website (https://www.statista.com/page/covid-19-coronavirus), as of yesterday...
8,661,772 confirmed infections, 5,655,327 recovered, 228,381deaths. Which means 2,778,064 not recovered, by their count.
So nearly 3 million Americans still have the disease, many of whom will no doubt die as the current death rate is between 4-5% in the US. Hence the projection that nearly half a million Americans will be dead by Spring.
And of course many, perhaps most of those so-called recovered will have suffered some kind of permanent damage to their health. We see much of that already but will not doubt see more as time goes on.
Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
@napacat posted:Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
Wrong again. People with and without symptoms can be contagious, though the latter less than the former. And people who have recovered can get it again.
So to summarize, everything you've said about the disease here is wrong. Maybe you should consider a source of information other than Fox News or Breitbart or wherever you got the incorrect information you've shared here.
@napacat posted:Thanks for the links. The people who have had it a while ago and have "not recovered" are not still contagious I would guess. So active cases (That we know of) that can spread the disease are much lower...and more in line with what I was saying, the positive results of the last 14 days or so.
As the media tells us that cases are surging in Florida, they do not tell you that the amount of testing done has also increased. On 10/21, 10/22 and 10/23, FL performed more than 100,000 tests per day and the percent positive was 5%, 3% and 3% (rounding off). That is a massive surge.
I don't know where you get those low positive results from FL. As the Johns Hopkins data show, the positive results in FL were 14.3% on Oct. 22, 8.4% on Oct. 23, and 6.2% on Oct. 24. So, these are huge numbers. They are going down, at least for now, but the testing rates are increasing (1.2%, 1.3% and 1.6% over those same three days)! So, that goes completely against your argument.
@bman posted:Wrong again. People with and without symptoms can be contagious, though the latter less than the former. And people who have recovered can get it again.
So to summarize, everything you've said about the disease here is wrong. Maybe you should consider a source of information other than Fox News or Breitbart or wherever you got the incorrect information you've shared here.
He's actually coming up with his own conclusions now, trying to fill in the "big headlines" from trump's words. Unfortunately, uninformed conclusions from incorrect assumptions lead to a similar wrong outcome.
@haggis posted:I don't know where you get those low positive results from FL. As the Johns Hopkins data show, the positive results in FL were 14.3% on Oct. 22, 8.4% on Oct. 23, and 6.2% on Oct. 24. So, these are huge numbers. They are going down, at least for now, but the testing rates are increasing (1.2%, 1.3% and 1.6% over those same three days)! So, that goes completely against your argument.
Sounds like stuff from Fox or Breitbart BS to me.
@bman posted:Sounds like stuff from Fox or Breitbart BS to me.
He's trying to argue that cv19 isn't exponential growth. when the covid-19 first hit the states the R0 was north of 2.6 using average estimates across various scientists, which is indeed exponential growth. The current estimate for R0 where folks are hunkering down, wearing masks shows an consensus R0 of roughly 1 to 1.6.
So definitely better, but there is still at large % of the US population that can still catch the disease, contrary to what white house officials are talking about with their "herd immunity" If you gave up masks and social distancing, it's pretty obv the R0 of this disease is going back to exponential growth.
Also folks talking about the death rate, do the incorrect assumption that you calculate the death rate amongst the entire population, where as it should be calculated against those who have actually caught it and ended up going to the hospital.
https://nyulangone.org/news/st...death-rates-covid-19
ie don't catch it, and if you do and you gotta goto the hospital, you're kind of already fucked, unless you happen to be able to afford some great care.
If you would just stop engaging the useless bag of dicks, perhaps one day he’ll miraculously just go away.
@g-man posted:He's trying to argue that cv19 isn't exponential growth. when the covid-19 first hit the states the R0 was north of 2.6 using average estimates across various scientists, which is indeed exponential growth. The current estimate for R0 where folks are hunkering down, wearing masks shows an consensus R0 of roughly 1 to 1.6.
So definitely better, but there is still at large % of the US population that can still catch the disease, contrary to what white house officials are talking about with their "herd immunity" If you gave up masks and social distancing, it's pretty obv the R0 of this disease is going back to exponential growth.
Also folks talking about the death rate, do the incorrect assumption that you calculate the death rate amongst the entire population, where as it should be calculated against those who have actually caught it and ended up going to the hospital.
https://nyulangone.org/news/st...death-rates-covid-19
ie don't catch it, and if you do and you gotta goto the hospital, you're kind of already fucked, unless you happen to be able to afford some great care.
Even if you can afford some great care (or get it through government health care, like most of the civilized world! 
) you may be in trouble because many and perhaps most have or will have longer-term negative health impacts.
Ah Mark Meadows "We're not going to control the pandemic' ... paraphrase "We're going to treat it instead"
As if treatment over prevention ever lowered the cost of healthcare anywhere in the world across any healthcare plan.
Mark Meadows just gave more ammo to the Biden campaign. Admitting defeat at this stage is insane. If they enforced the CDC guidelines, back Fauci's guidance etc. they could have reduced the scope of the pandemic.
Then we have the dumpster & friend who disavow masks, social distancing, and quarantines.
Guess I will forgo my flu shot, and wait till I get the flu, and go to the doctor and plead ignorance, and hope for treatment. Vaccines are a prevenative, and not ready for prime time. We need to take precautions, and not do as dr. Atlas says, get a herd immunity. How many will that kill?
I just wonder why we keep testing for cancer. If we didn't test for it there would be no cases and we'd cure that disease in months!
Amazing to see Spain, Italy etc. shutting down again. This virus is a tough cookie.
@haggis posted:I don't know where you get those low positive results from FL. As the Johns Hopkins data show, the positive results in FL were 14.3% on Oct. 22, 8.4% on Oct. 23, and 6.2% on Oct. 24. So, these are huge numbers. They are going down, at least for now, but the testing rates are increasing (1.2%, 1.3% and 1.6% over those same three days)! So, that goes completely against your argument.
I certainly don't speak for napacat (Lord forbid!), but Florida's Covid Dashboard has been putting out much lower positivity rates for the month of October than the John Hopkins numbers. So I suspect that is where he is getting his figures from; although even the Dashboard's numbers aren't quite as low as he listed.
Of course, the accuracy of the rates on the Florida Dashboard are somewhat suspect. I know people here who are taking those numbers with very large grains of salt: our Governor fired the woman who set up the Dashboard, and the Governor has put on a "happy face" about this pandemic much like our President.
So, I think I would go off the John Hopkins data.
https://www.usa-vision.com/hos...ts-surges-across-us/
"There were 41,776 Covid-19 patients in the hospital, according to the Covid Tracking Project, the highest since summer surges in solar belt states. According to data from the Federal Department of Health and Human Services, intensive care beds accounted for more than 70% of capacity in 19 states."
https://kfor.com/border-report...e-to-covid-19-surge/
The order comes as hospital and intensive care unit beds reached 100% capacity on Sunday and 1,443 new COVID-19 infections were reported on Monday morning.
@g-man posted:He's trying to argue that cv19 isn't exponential growth. when the covid-19 first hit the states the R0 was north of 2.6 using average estimates across various scientists, which is indeed exponential growth. The current estimate for R0 where folks are hunkering down, wearing masks shows an consensus R0 of roughly 1 to 1.6.
So definitely better, but there is still at large % of the US population that can still catch the disease, contrary to what white house officials are talking about with their "herd immunity" If you gave up masks and social distancing, it's pretty obv the R0 of this disease is going back to exponential growth.
Also folks talking about the death rate, do the incorrect assumption that you calculate the death rate amongst the entire population, where as it should be calculated against those who have actually caught it and ended up going to the hospital.
https://nyulangone.org/news/st...death-rates-covid-19
ie don't catch it, and if you do and you gotta goto the hospital, you're kind of already fucked, unless you happen to be able to afford some great who
who calculates the death rate based on the entire population? It should only be used against people who have contracted it.
@Rothko posted:I certainly don't speak for napacat (Lord forbid!), but Florida's Covid Dashboard has been putting out much lower positivity rates for the month of October than the John Hopkins numbers. So I suspect that is where he is getting his figures from; although even the Dashboard's numbers aren't quite as low as he listed.
Of course, the accuracy of the rates on the Florida Dashboard are somewhat suspect. I know people here who are taking those numbers with very large grains of salt: our Governor fired the woman who set up the Dashboard, and the Governor has put on a "happy face" about this pandemic much like our President.
So, I think I would go off the John Hopkins data.
You’re right...I do consult the FL covid website...and my figures are an accurate representation of what they listed. Right...let’s distrust it. Do you all sit in your homes with masks on afraid of everything? Most of our media has praised Europe and now they are going on lockdowns (which don’t work)...just delay the inevitable. They now have more deaths than the US. Guess they got it right.
@bman posted:
4th grade reading level, speaks volumes of the suppoters
@napacat posted:You’re right...I do consult the FL covid website...and my figures are an accurate representation of what they listed. Right...let’s distrust it. Do you all sit in your homes with masks on afraid of everything? Most of our media has praised Europe and now they are going on lockdowns (which don’t work)...just delay the inevitable. They now have more deaths than the US. Guess they got it right.
do you sit around fearing that a looter and rioter is going to show up at your doorstop out int he suburbs? Is Florida now burning down? Aren't you afraid of antifa shooting you as soon you step out side of your door step?
Your statements are just about as nonsensical as the statement above.
Also europe is comfortable reporting all symptom related deaths as covid to better understand the disease. The US, some states, still not so much. If they were able to handle the volume of dead in the US to properly do the testing, they would find more people died of covid than being reported. It's pretty obvious if they were to do more testing on the dead bodies, the # of covid deaths would easily go up.
If they want to follow a government that actually is making a different look to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. guess what, a place when most folks wear masks and socially distance, life is back to normal. Japan is even paying folks 200$ a person to go out travel and eat. Heck, Japan is opening up cruise ships for domestic travel.
FL is shading the death court for sure. They only list RESIDENTS. If a snowbird dies in FL, they don't list it. I wonder if this death is listed in NYS for example.
There is a move here now to not list cases daily, but weekly, and not to maintain a historical record on the dashboard. Johns Hopkins data is trustworthy, not DeSantis
@haggis posted:The silliness aside of that statement, how are you going to know who has contracted it if you don't test?
I never said not to test. Test as much as you like / can. Seriously, please explain why you would calculate the death rate of a disease against an entire population and not only against those who have contracted it.
@napacat posted:I never said not to test. Test as much as you like / can. Seriously, please explain why you would calculate the death rate of a disease against an entire population and not only against those who have contracted it.
Because there is no way to know how many have contracted it given that many probably have it or had it and showed no symptoms or were never tested, so that stat is meaningless.
“COVID, COVID, COVID is being used by them, in total coordination, in order to change our great early election numbers. Should be an election law violation!”
McConnell--We'll get right on that Mr. President. I'm sure we have the votes now in the Supreme Court to suppress the free press.
@bman posted:Because there is no way to know how many have contracted it given that many probably have it or had it and showed no symptoms or were never tested, so that stat is meaningless.
Given that then....if you base the total number of deaths on the entire population, the mortality rate is even far lower than currently reported.
@napacat posted:Given that then....if you base the total number of deaths on the entire population, the mortality rate is even far lower than currently reported.
How so?
The US has the 9th highest mortality rate in the world per population as measured by pretty much every internationally recognized non-partisan news source. For example:
https://www.statista.com/stati...million-inhabitants/
Of 10th if you count San Marino and Andorra:
https://www.worldometers.info/...0%5Cl%20%22countries
Also, the excess death rate in the US is nearly 300,000 so no doubt the number of Covid deaths are way beyond the official count of 225,000 or so.
Here is a link to a site providing info on the status of vaccine testing and development.
@irwin posted:Here is a link to a site providing info on the status of vaccine testing and development.
Wow, that's very helpful. Thanks!
"Super-spreading Trump rallies led to more than 700 COVID-19 deaths, study estimates"
Any bets on whether Dr. Fauci will get fired after the election?
I imagine he could become a medical correspondent for one of the networks and make a fortune.
Thanks for the info!
What will Birx do? retire or get fired?
@Rothko posted:Any bets on whether Dr. Fauci will get fired after the election?
I imagine he could become a medical correspondent for one of the networks and make a fortune.
I would say it's a virtual certainty. Only chance he sticks around I think is if Biden wins and Biden wants him to stay on. I don't think one says no to the President often, if ever.
@purplehaze posted:Trump can't fire Fauci. Good analysis here.
PH
well that reads like he kinda can and that fauci has to proactively try and get his job back.
amazing the lengths someone will go through to literally destroy any semblance of government by the people for the people
@g-man posted:well that reads like he kinda can and that fauci has to proactively try and get his job back.
amazing the lengths someone will go through to literally destroy any semblance of government by the people for the people
He kinda can't. The action would have to be initiated by either the Director of the NIH (an Obama appointee) or the Secretary of HHS, which ain't going to happen regardless of who wins the election. Azar is a POS, but isn't likely to tie his future to an attempt to remove a beloved health care expert in the middle of a pandemic.
PH
least anyone forgets, https://protect-public.hhs.gov...es/hospital-capacity
we're currently at almost 60% ICU beds utilization across all hospitals beds in the US, but obv one must keep in mind it doesnt make sense to fly people around the country to open hospital beds.
"Coronavirus update: Fauci’s dire prediction comes true: U.S. counts more than 100,000 cases in a single day to set pandemic record"
@The Old Man posted:"Coronavirus update: Fauci’s dire prediction comes true: U.S. counts more than 100,000 cases in a single day to set pandemic record"
Probably why Steve Bannon has called for Fauci’s beheading. Cant be having this kind of reality out there.
New US record of more than 120,000 cases. We truly are rounding the corner... right into the wall.
Maryland's Gov on TV yesterday said, "Wear the damn masks!"
That's pretty straightforward talk for a politician.
I have a friend who's an architect. The last few months he's been designing a robotic waiter. It doesn't pay as much as designing buildings, but it puts food on the table.
"White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested positive for coronavirus, two officials confirm to CNN."
No comment needed.
@The Old Man posted:"White House chief of staff Mark Meadows has tested positive for coronavirus, two officials confirm to CNN."
No comment needed.
And he told staff to keep it quiet then mixed closely and without a mask on multiple occasions.
Apparently the Trump "victory" party is in line to be the next super-spreader event. From the LA Times: "The White House has repeatedly refused to say who else [besides Mark Meadows] has tested positive, even as the virus continues to spread. The latest White House cluster, coming just a month after Trump’s own diagnosis and hospitalization, includes a top Trump campaign official as well as a handful of undisclosed White House staff, officials said."
@The Old Man posted:Apparently the Trump "victory" party is in line to be the next super-spreader event. From the LA Times: "The White House has repeatedly refused to say who else [besides Mark Meadows] has tested positive, even as the virus continues to spread. The latest White House cluster, coming just a month after Trump’s own diagnosis and hospitalization, includes a top Trump campaign official as well as a handful of undisclosed White House staff, officials said."
Perhaps that is why no one has seen or heard from Pencey
@jcocktosten posted:Perhaps that is why no one has seen or heard from Pencey
Not the first say but any flies who come in contact with him will need to quarantine for two weeks. He is the head of the Covid task force after all.
Good news from Pfizer today. Certainly not definitive, but things are looking positive towards a vaccine.
Ben Carson positive now.
@wineismylife posted:Ben Carson positive now.
Don't worry Ben, just because it affects black people worse than whites, I'm sure you'll be just fine. Ask Herman Cain.
phase 3 trials, prelim look for pfizer study looks great.
And the incompetence of the trump admin still comes back to bite the american public. We gave them 2 billion just to manufacture and distribute the vaccine, but they took nothing for the development of the vaccine. That means a private company owns 100% of the IP to this vaccine but still got a 2 billion tax payers wind fall on a deadly disease that affects millions of people.
If someone had properly strong armed the company, the american public would have been owners of the IP, and then any president can use the defense production act to mass produce the vaccine.
Esper first to be fired! Has already demoted a few others over weekend. The purge has started
New study 1 out of 11 Coronavirus patients wind up back in the hospital.
@flwino posted:Esper first to be fired! Has already demoted a few others over weekend. The purge has started
I really don't understand firing people with 2 months to go. Why bother? In yesterday's Ravens-Colts game, the Colts had the ball deep in Raven territory with 2 seconds to go. The Colts were behind by 14 points. So, with 2 seconds to go, they called time out. Why?
@irwin posted:I really don't understand firing people with 2 months to go. Why bother?
Because he's not leaving and he needs a friendly military to complete the coup.
Biden may need to hire a proctological surgeon to remove the A$$hold out of the W. House.
@The Old Man posted:Because he's not leaving and he needs a friendly military to complete the coup.
Tuesday night massacre at the Pentagon. You may be on to something.
Actually, it's starting to sound like boxes being checked on Putin's "To Do" list.
With the numbers shooting up, maybe we won't need a vaccine after all. We'll either have infected herd immunity or be dead.
NY Times: "Corey Lewandowski, a Trump campaign adviser who has been working on efforts to bring lawsuits contesting the election outcome in several states, tested positive for the coronavirus on Wednesday, a person briefed on the diagnosis said Thursday."
Couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
I can think of a few others perhaps more deserving.
Spoke to a friend of mine today. He spent 7 weeks in the hospital with Covid-19. 2 months in rehab. Nearly died a few times. Has had ongoing issues, taking him back to the hospital and to the docs for various complications. Still has a large oxygen tank at home, and a smaller portable one when he goes out. 63 years old. He's a sole practitioner lawyer who hasn't been to his office since March. Today he went in to do a few things and to work on closing his office. He can't function as a lawyer anymore, really. Meanwhile, our courts which had sort of opened a bit ago, and actually resumed jury trials a little starting Oct. 5, have now closed down again....No jury trials until 2021 at the earliest.
The head of the ICU at the hospital where my friend was a patient has died of Covid-19.
We are not close to ending this scourge. We might be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but the tunnel is many miles long.
I wonder how WineDrMike is doing. Wasn't he also a victim of this?
could be.
Boy, things look like they are getting real bad. 150,000 or so daily infections. Hospitalizations and death rates are going to increase soon.
Down here in Florida, nothing has changed. I mean nothing. It's business as usual. With a Governor who has already said he will not close things down again. So we are truly on our own.
@Rothko posted:Boy, things look like they are getting real bad. 150,000 or so daily infections. Hospitalizations and death rates are going to increase soon.
Down here in Florida, nothing has changed. I mean nothing. It's business as usual. With a Governor who has already said he will not close things down again. So we are truly on our own.
Not really. God is with you. And the White House Coronavirus task force. 😈
Good news from Moderna about its vaccine. Over 90% effective and doesn't have to be deep-cold stored like Pfizer's. So if two vaccines get approved soon, that should greatly increase the amount of vaccines available.
Now you just have to wait. I feel terrible for all the people who are going to die between now and next spring, when they might have been saved by a vaccine but weren't.
@Rothko posted:Good news from Moderna about its vaccine. Over 90% effective and doesn't have to be deep-cold stored like Pfizer's. So if two vaccines get approved soon, that should greatly increase the amount of vaccines available.
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