@napacat posted:Mostly great replies (except for Gman). Thanks all. CSM truly sorry for your friend. I just cannot fathom making a person take a vaccine when they have already had COVID. That just goes against all prior scientific certainty.
I remember the many knuckleheads who claimed COVID-19 was just like the flu.
So do people who’ve gotten the flu never need to bother getting a flu shot?
Yet again you prove to all of us you are dumber than you look.
@napacat posted:I just cannot fathom making a person take a vaccine when they have already had COVID. That just goes against all prior scientific certainty.
bman posted:
No, it doesn't. The vaccine increases the immunity in those with prior infections. Two much-beloved long time posters here not only had Covid but continue to suffer from long Covid. One is a doctor who got it early and almost died. Twice. Both got the vaccine, twice, and one has received a third booster shot. The more immunity, the better!
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Exactly, bman. I know several people (family and friends) who had COVID. With some, their antibody titre was fairly low, suggesting they had a mild infection. Thus, vaccination was more than warranted. Others have had COVID but don't know it. Again, vaccination warranted. And, for many even with a severe case, the antibody levels decline more than in those who have had two jabs, and are even lower yet compared to those who have had a third jab/booster. Thus, there is SO much variation in those that have had COVID that it is nonsense to lump them all together as some here are doing.
@Insight posted:I remember the many knuckleheads who claimed COVID-19 was just like the flu.
So do people who’ve gotten the flu never need to bother getting a flu shot?
Yet again you prove to all of us you are dumber than you look.
Another class act. You make no distinction from a young, healthy person with no co-morbidities whose already had COVID do you? In this instance and many others the vaccine is not needed, especially considering a potential adverse reaction (albeit very low). Way to jump in with a thoughtless comment….and allowing this feckless admin just mandate a vaccine across the board.
@napacat posted:CSM truly sorry for your friend.
Thanks napacat. Truly awful situation. Can’t even begin to fathom what his wife and kids are going through.
@napacat posted:Another class act. You make no distinction from a young, healthy person with no co-morbidities whose already had COVID do you? In this instance and many others the vaccine is not needed, especially considering a potential adverse reaction (albeit very low). Way to jump in with a thoughtless comment….and allowing this feckless admin just mandate a vaccine across the board.
"I just cannot fathom making a person take a vaccine when they have already had COVID. That just goes against all prior scientific certainty."
This was your statement; it's simply not true. As always, your transparent technique, is to then try to add in things you didn't say at first. This is why no one should bother with you.
And even this statement is wrong, "In this instance and many others the vaccine is not needed, especially considering a potential adverse reaction (albeit very low)."
You are making these claims. You are the one that needs to back them up with citations.
@The Old Man posted:"I just cannot fathom making a person take a vaccine when they have already had COVID. That just goes against all prior scientific certainty."
This was your statement; it's simply not true. As always, your transparent technique, is to then try to add in things you didn't say at first. This is why no one should bother with you.
And even this statement is wrong, "In this instance and many others the vaccine is not needed, especially considering a potential adverse reaction (albeit very low)."
You are making these claims. You are the one that needs to back them up with citations.
lol, wait till he copy pastes "my own research" from various youtube links.
not that copycat there cares
but it's obvious as more research start coming out, the anti vax stance is just nothing but self serving for those looking to make a quick buck off of the fears of others.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/heal...APlAXV?ocid=msedgntp
Should i even post the study where you're 6x more likely to get heart issues from covid than you are from the covid vaccine?
@irwin posted:Dr. T: What are your thoughts about Moderna boosters. It seems logical to me to wait until the boosters are approved, but, on the other hand, that seems inevitable. I got my 2nd of the two shots in mid-March. No real significant co-morbidities except for having a hyperactive fork and being 68 yrs. old.
Moderna has a higher dose of spike protein that might account for slightly higher reaction rates than Pfizer. I prefer Pfizer simply for that. But the vaccine essentials very similar In any event , I would get a mRNA booster as soon as you can at the closest facility offering either. The purpose of the booster is to reinvigorate the memory B cells that make antibody against the spike protein. Natural immunity makes lesser degree antibodies against a variety of different viral antigens which may account for lesser more variable response by the previously infected. Boosters are just that, inciting extra antibodies when you might need them
Thanks very much. Will do.
The first oral antiviral drug for Covid appears poised for FDA emergency approval. Sounds a like like Tamiflu: you take it right after you have symptoms and it drops the risk of a serious Covid infection by about 50%.
I'm glad to hear that several effective treatments are now becoming available: Monoclonal antibody therapy, Regeneron, this new Antiviral drug.
I suppose some folks will stick with hydroxychloroquine and horse dewormers. Best of luck with that.
@Rothko posted:The first oral antiviral drug for Covid appears poised for FDA emergency approval. Sounds a like like Tamiflu: you take it right after you have symptoms and it drops the risk of a serious Covid infection by about 50%.
I'm glad to hear that several effective treatments are now becoming available: Monoclonal antibody therapy, Regeneron, this new Antiviral drug.
I suppose some folks will stick with hydroxychloroquine and horse dewormers. Best of luck with that.
Don’t forget disinfectant in the lungs and UV lights up the ass. Some folks are creative.
The FDA has recommended the Moderna booster, at 1/2 strength. Looks like Moderna booster shots are going to be available soon.
US to reopen land border as of 11/8 and is going to recognize those of us with the Arnold Pharma AZ/Moderna mix as vaccinated.
Getting my Moderna booster tomorrow
"The US Food and Drug Administration advisory committee recommended Friday that all adults who received the single-dose J&J shot should get a second vaccine at least two months after their first dose."
Get going bill.
@The Old Man posted:"The US Food and Drug Administration advisory committee recommended Friday that all adults who received the single-dose J&J shot should get a second vaccine at least two months after their first dose."
Get going bill.
Planning to.
@jcocktosten posted:Getting my Moderna booster tomorrow
Me too.
meanwhile, just over 85% of Marylanders have had at least one shot. Slightly over 60% of all Marylanders have been fully vaccinated.
My efforts to get the booster were a failure. Will try again this week. Scr** Publix
@jcocktosten posted:Getting my Moderna booster tomorrow
Got mine at the end of August. I guess, technically, it was a "third shot" rather than a booster. I don't quite understand the difference, but Mrs. H and I feel better having being jabbed again.
@jcocktosten posted:My efforts to get the booster were a failure. Will try again this week. Scr** Publix
Mine too. Set up the appointment. Got multiple texts and emails confirming. Then two hrs before, a phone call telling me the pharmacy wasn’t doing boosters yet. Crap
Weird. Everything is easily available here at CVS in Walgreens. Appointments can be made on their sites and they usually have them within 1 to 2 days.
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TOKYO (AP) — Almost overnight, Japan has become a stunning, and somewhat mysterious, coronavirus success story.
Daily new COVID-19 cases have plummeted from a mid-August peak of nearly 6,000 in Tokyo, with caseloads in the densely populated capital now routinely below 100, an 11-month low.
The bars are packed, the trains are crowded, and the mood is celebratory, despite a general bafflement over what, exactly, is behind the sharp drop.
Japan, unlike other places in Europe and Asia, has never had anything close to a lockdown, just a series of relatively toothless states of emergency.
Some possible factors in Japan's success include a belated but remarkably rapid vaccination campaign, an emptying out of many nightlife areas as fears spread during the recent surge in cases, a widespread practice, well before the pandemic, of wearing masks and bad weather in late August that kept people home.
...
Nearly 70 percent of the population is fully vaccinated."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...APDWTd?ocid=msedgntp
I too, dream for the return to normalcy if only folks werent so self serving assholes and do simple things like get a free effective vaccine and wear a 10 cent mask.
But no, 30k monoclonal treatments with hospital stays mixed in with clogging up ICU and intubation is definitely the way to go
@The Old Man posted:Weird. Everything is easily available here at CVS in Walgreens. Appointments can be made on their sites and they usually have them within 1 to 2 days.
Same here (NYS). Both PFE and MRNA have been available as boosters/3rd shots since mid-August.
Maryland now up to 85% vaccinated. But in Montgomery County (home of Purple Haze and Gentleman Farmer, among others), they are up to 99%. NIH is located in Montgomery County. It's a Washington DC suburb.
@irwin posted:Maryland now up to 85% vaccinated. But in Montgomery County (home of Purple Haze and Gentleman Farmer, among others), they are up to 99%. NIH is located in Montgomery County. It's a Washington DC suburb.
As does my dad - who does work with the NIH
Got my Pfizer booster last night from a local grocery store pharmacy. No questions asked.
More people are apparently getting boosters now than first shots. The Moderna booster is on the cusp of approval, and there will probably be a rush for those boosters.
In the meantime, the Covid virus just keeps plugging along. There's a new mutation on the Delta variant making the rounds in the UK, which has seen increases once again in their Covid infections.
Even worse
"Today, Idiot Governor DeSantis announced that he’s calling a special session to pass a ban on vaccine mandates put in place by private employers.
And that begs the question — with everything going on in our state, why the hell is he calling a special session on this?
I think I know the answer. Because he’s running for President as Donald Trump Jr. Junior.
Instead of helping Florida workers and families, DeSantis is going to make it harder for private businesses to keep their employees and customers safe. "
@flwino posted:Even worse
"Today, Idiot Governor DeSantis announced that he’s calling a special session to pass a ban on vaccine mandates put in place by private employers.
And that begs the question — with everything going on in our state, why the hell is he calling a special session on this?
I think I know the answer. Because he’s running for President as Donald Trump Jr. Junior.
Instead of helping Florida workers and families, DeSantis is going to make it harder for private businesses to keep their employees and customers safe. "
You sir are not the brightest. DeSantis is one of the best governors in the US.
We t@napacat posted:. DeSantis is one of the best governors in the US.
You’ve piqued my curiosity, napacat: what criteria do you use to declare him “one of the best governors”?
My wife and I got Moderna boosters this afternoon, 7 months after getting the JJ. Walked into a local grocery/pharmacy chain with only a short wait of about 10 minutes.
@billhike posted:My wife and I got Moderna boosters this afternoon, 7 months after getting the JJ. Walked into a local grocery/pharmacy chain with only a short wait of about 10 minutes.
Perfect timing as I have a concert at House of Blues two weeks from tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how people follow the regulations for this one, which includes wearing a mask when not eating or drinking.
@seaquam posted:You’ve piqued my curiosity, napacat: what criteria do you use to declare him “one of the best governors”?
Good evening Seaquam,
For starters the man does stand up for the constitution, allow for the freedoms America is built on. Will defend our borders(like the law says we need to do) and has handled the COVID crisis quite well…balancing opening the state and allowing people to have a semi-normal life.
He took unpopular steps and succeeded! A stark contrast to every other Democratic governor. Good on him! FL sucks in general but our leadership at the state level is good.
Got my moderna booster yesterday at public vaccination event. Took an hour as it was quite crowded- 50 or so people before and behind. All getting boosters according to staff with the exception of 1 person who I overheard was getting a first dose
We have appointments at a local pharmacy for Saturday. Many appointments available, but I have a very busy week at work upcoming.
I got a Moderna booster shot. Had a sore arm for a few days, and felt fatigued for one day after.
I've been vaxxed to the max. 2 and a 1/2 weeks ago Pfizer booster. Last week flu shot. Wednesday, pneumonia in one arm, shingles in the other. If you haven't had the shingle shot, there's a shot that really hurts going in. Of course it requires a second shot a few months later!
@napacat posted:Good evening Seaquam,
For starters the man does stand up for the constitution, allow for the freedoms America is built on. Will defend our borders(like the law says we need to do) and has handled the COVID crisis quite well…balancing opening the state and allowing people to have a semi-normal life.
He took unpopular steps and succeeded! A stark contrast to every other Democratic governor. Good on him! FL sucks in general but our leadership at the state level is good.
Which border is DeSantis defending? Georgia or Alabama?
@patespo1 posted:Which border is DeSantis defending? Georgia or Alabama?
Probably Alabama. The state that hurricanes threaten when Presidents use sharpies to draw lines showing they're threatened by hurricanes. May be Governor Idiot will use a sharpie to protect Florida from hurricanes? Not sure how that would work though.
Here is current Maryland data:
Moderna booster on board as of Saturday, both PURPLE and myself.
Well after my booster - my arm was sore for 1 day. I was fatigued the next day but also played more than 3 hours of tennis so without that probably would have been fine.
@patespo1 posted:Which border is DeSantis defending? Georgia or Alabama?
dont forget allowing for freedoms America is built on.
the fact that so many people still don't know what the US constitution says is sad.
Looks like the Pfizer vaccine is about to get authorized for kids, ages 5-11. Hopefully many will get the vaccine.
Florida Covid numbers are dropping drastically. I guess there's no one left to infect in the Sunshine State.
Read about an interesting poll today. Over 70% of unvaccinated workers say they would quit if their employer requires a vaccine mandate.
Same poll says that only 5% of unvaccinated workers who have had a vaccine mandate imposed by their employer have actually quit.
@Rothko posted:Read about an interesting poll today. Over 70% of unvaccinated workers say they would quit if their employer requires a vaccine mandate.
Same poll says that only 5% of unvaccinated workers who have had a vaccine mandate imposed by their employer have actually quit.
That may be a misleading statistic as I don't think a lot of employers have fleshed out the consequences of not meeting the mandate. But I agree that a significant portion of that 70% are very likely saying that to try and pressure their employers and wouldn't actually pull the trigger (or the trigger would be delayed pending finding another job that doesn't require vaccinations - but do they really want to move to Florida? 
).
@The Old Man posted:I've been vaxxed to the max. 2 and a 1/2 weeks ago Pfizer booster. Last week flu shot. Wednesday, pneumonia in one arm, shingles in the other. If you haven't had the shingle shot, there's a shot that really hurts going in. Of course it requires a second shot a few months later!
Got my Pfizer booster last week, my flu shot yesterday, and my 2nd Shingles shot will be some time next week. I generally only have about a day's arm pain from any vaccine, but yeah, that shingles one hurt for 3 days.
@seaquam posted:You’ve piqued my curiosity, napacat: what criteria do you use to declare him “one of the best governors”?
"It's not much of a cheese shop, is it?"
"Finest in the district, sir!"
"Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please."
"Well, it's so clean, sir."
"It's certainly uncontaminated by any cheese."
Just replace a word here or there, and you have an answer.
@mneeley490 posted:"It's not much of a cheese shop, is it?"
"Finest in the district, sir!"
"Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please."
"Well, it's so clean, sir."
"It's certainly uncontaminated by any cheese."
Just replace a word here or there, and you have an answer.
Been far too long since the last Monty Python reference here. Good job!
@mneeley490 posted:Got my Pfizer booster last week, my flu shot yesterday, and my 2nd Shingles shot will be some time next week. I generally only have about a day's arm pain from any vaccine, but yeah, that shingles one hurt for 3 days.
shingles sucks btw
Florida now has the lowest case rate (per 100,000 people) in the country.
Reminds me of the old saying: Why do I hit myself with a hammer? Because it feels so good when I stop.
@Rothko posted:Florida now has the lowest case rate (per 100,000 people) in the country.
Reminds me of the old saying: Why do I hit myself with a hammer? Because it feels so good when I stop.
If you trust Florida's reporting, you be crazy
Got my booster today at a local grocery store pharmacy.
Now that I will live forever, I can resume buying newly released Bordeaux to lay down for 25 years.
@irwin posted:Got my booster today at a local grocery store pharmacy.
Now that I will live forever, I can resume buying newly released Bordeaux to lay down for 25 years.
Sounds like a good plan! I had my booster two weeks ago. Honestly now it feels like we gonna wear masks forever. Am i the only one who is really tired to wear them and all the time worry to forget one? I ordered myself a big cartoon box of them from canadian pharmacy at the beginning of the year and it is almost over now. I feel super sorry for our planet
@Mirkos posted:Honestly now it feels like we gonna wear masks forever. Am i the only one who is really tired to wear them and all the time worry to forget one?
When you still have a significant portion of the population made up of knuckleheads who won't get vaccinated there isn't much you can do. Also from now on doctors' offices and medical facilities will all permanently require masks.
@irwin posted:Got my booster today at a local grocery store pharmacy.
Now that I will live forever, I can resume buying newly released Bordeaux to lay down for 25 years.
a gambling man would buy port!
Good news that the Pfizer vaccine has been approved for kids ages 5-11. I am hopeful that many parents will get their kids vaccinated. I am sure there will be some who will resist, thinking that if their kids get Covid they won't have any serious problems with the virus. That's still taking a risk, in my opinion.
I don't have children in that age range, but if I did, I'd be getting them the vaccine, like today.
In a wonderful example of government leadership, Ontario and Quebec have backed down from their plan to require all health care workers to be vaccinated. Brilliant.
Here is something not necessarily related to the thread, for which I apologize in advance, but related to Florida politics.
Ahh, nothing but the finest candidates in Florida...
That could be napacat!
About a year ago I was wondering how Covid was going to be handled in movies and TV. Watching Curb Your Enthusiasm's new season I noted that Larry David made the same decision as did almost all movies, sitcoms, soap operas and dramas--to set the show in a parallel universe where Covid doesn't exist. I wondered what Bosch was going to do since they were shooting in LA in the middle of this thing. There, I think in the final episode, Maddie mentions that she read about this new virus that was affecting a few people. However, by the time the currently untitled spin-off starts I'm guessing that again there will be no mention of it.
@irwin posted:Here is something not necessarily related to the thread, for which I apologize in advance, but related to Florida politics.
It is amazing how many loons, thugs, scoundrels, villains, and thieves, ie members of local 12 Rocky /Bullwinkle Show are being elected to office. Worse, can that many Americans be sheeple to these forked tongue blowhards propaganda? The loss of integrity and sense of shame is very disheartening
@drtannin 2 posted:It is amazing how many loons, thugs, scoundrels, villains, and thieves, ie members of local 12 Rocky /Bullwinkle Show are being elected to office. Worse, can that many Americans be sheeple to these forked tongue blowhards propaganda? The loss of integrity and sense of shame is very disheartening
sure is. Now, there are some conservatives and Republicans who are honest and decent, and some lunatic and crazy Democrats and liberals. The great majority of Americans are way more moderate than the crazies on either side. At least I think so.
@irwin posted:The great majority of Americans are way more moderate than the crazies on either side. At least I think so.
Far less entertaining and opinionated than the crazies, so they get much less air time sadly.
@irwin posted:sure is. Now, there are some conservatives and Republicans who are honest and decent, and some lunatic and crazy Democrats and liberals. The great majority of Americans are way more moderate than the crazies on either side. At least I think so.
Get rid of the party-based primary system, which allows the crazies on either extreme to pick the candidates, and things should be at least somewhat better. Ditto winner-takes-all state elections for President.
@irwin posted:sure is. Now, there are some conservatives and Republicans who are honest and decent, and some lunatic and crazy Democrats and liberals. The great majority of Americans are way more moderate than the crazies on either side. At least I think so.
False equivalence. There is only one party that is trying to extinguish democracy. And you know which one that is.
@bman posted:Get rid of the party-based primary system, which allows the crazies on either extreme to pick the candidates, and things should be at least somewhat better. Ditto winner-takes-all state elections for President.
Jon Haidt is campaigning to get rid of party primaries; on primary day everyone votes for his top choice; the top 5 candidates wind up on the ballot and then a preferential ballot is used with a single transferable vote. (See “ranked choice voting” in Maine and now Alaska, in Democratic primary for NYC mayor, etc.) l wholly endorse that idea and I think it will become more popular. Sadly, we won’t be able to amend the Constitution to change how we vote for President.
@Rothko posted:Good news that the Pfizer vaccine has been approved for kids ages 5-11. I am hopeful that many parents will get their kids vaccinated. I am sure there will be some who will resist, thinking that if their kids get Covid they won't have any serious problems with the virus. That's still taking a risk, in my opinion.
I don't have children in that age range, but if I did, I'd be getting them the vaccine, like today.
Winner! Dumbest post of the year.
That's a Badge of Honor!
@Rothko posted:Good news that the Pfizer vaccine has been approved for kids ages 5-11. I am hopeful that many parents will get their kids vaccinated. I am sure there will be some who will resist, thinking that if their kids get Covid they won't have any serious problems with the virus. That's still taking a risk, in my opinion.
I don't have children in that age range, but if I did, I'd be getting them the vaccine, like today.
We are taking our 10 year old on Saturday, very much looking forward to having a fully vaccinated household (our 13 year old is already vaxxed ).
Good for you guys patespo1.
Canada seems to be dragging its feet for some reason. The cynic in me suspects it's because they don't want anyone traveling at Christmas and are leaving the 2 week quarantine requirements in place for 5-11 year old children in order to discourage it.
You can't make this stuff up-LA Times, "A California police officer died of COVID-19 while he was on leave for not meeting San Francisco’s Nov. 1 vaccination deadline, according to media outlets."
My dog is due for his rabies shot. He told me that he does not think the government should be able to force him to get the rabies shot. 
Child abuse? You can have a different opinion about these things but I believe that accusing a fellow forum member of committing a crime is quite inappropriate.
I think, napacat, you owe bman an apology
@irwin posted:Child abuse? You can have a different opinion about these things but I believe that accusing a fellow forum member of committing a crime is quite inappropriate.
I think, napacat, you owe bman an apology
The asinine comment was directed at Patespo. Bman simply (and correctly) called out CHoaD (Chief of all Dumbasses) as the brainless fecal stain he is.
Fortunately in the interest of public safety, the government or states or business can mandate vaccinations. Life would be very different if two thirds of humans didn't exist or had morbidities because of smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, dipthteria, hepatitis, rotavirus, varicella-zoster, tetanus, humanpapilloma, influenza, dengue. Or bacterial vaccines-pneumococcus, hemophilus, meningococcus. Let's hope the next pandemic isn't ebola, marburg, rabies, hanta.
China and the previous administrations denial of virus/failure public health policy were factors getting us to 2021. Scientists in China decoded coronas genome, and scientists at many pharmaceutical companies produced effective vaccines. These were preferentially available to the richest countries. In 2021, however, the uneducated self acclaimed prophets, the malevolent including self serving politicians, and the unvaccinated are currently to blame for the series of persisting events including: loss of morale, shuttering of care, massive costs related to health care, let alone stultifying difficulties in streamlining the economy, etc. We can only hope for Darwinism to take it's course to the logical end and sane human behavior reclaim our lives.
@drtannin 2 posted:Fortunately for public safety, the government or states or business can mandate vaccinations. Life would be very different if two thirds of humans didn't exist or had morbidities because of smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, dipthteria, hepatitis, rotavirus, varicella-zoster, tetanus, humanpapilloma, influenza, dengue. Let's hope the next pandemic isn't ebola, marburg, rabies, hanta. China and the previous administrations denial of virus/failure public health policy were factors getting us to 2021. The unvaccinated are currently to blame for the series of persisting events including: massive costs related to health care, economic sanctions, etc. We can only hope for Darwinism to take it's course to the logical end.
Previous administration's denial of virus begat millions of unvaccinated begat....
-hundreds of thousands of needless deaths
-millions of needless infections leading to hundreds of thousands of long Covid aftereffects
-millions of delayed medical procedures and denials of medical services leading to millions of negative health outcomes
-pretty much the whole world wondering how on earth such things could happen in the USA (answer? - see my first comment above).
@billhike posted:Your mom not aborting you was an act of terrorism.
The latest trend for those "forced' to get a vax, is to inject themselves with epsom salts to "detox" the vax.
@g-man posted:The latest trend for those "forced' to get a vax, is to inject themselves with epsom salts to "detox" the vax.
I'm all for it. Have at it.
@billhike posted:The asinine comment was directed at Patespo. Bman simply (and correctly) called out CHoaD (Chief of all Dumbasses) as the brainless fecal stain he is.
I don’t see how parents are so willing to inject their child with a vaccine that has no long term studies for a disease / virus with a 99.9% survival rate (or greater) for healthy children. Makes no sense. Plenty of epidemiologists have said this as well. And I clearly stated that I hope his children have no underlying conditions.
Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything. A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
@napacat posted:A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
@napacat posted:Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything.
You stupidly accused a forum member with many friends here of child abuse, for taking steps he believes will keep his family safe. For making his own choice. In addition to being a complete moron who’s contributed nothing to this site, you’re also likely the biggest hypocrite posting here.
What kills me is why do you guys continue to feed this troll? That is the only thing he is after here. He makes his outlandish posts solely to get a response out of you guys. Ignore him. Never respond to him. He'll eventually bore and leave.
He does serve one purpose; he demonstrates the brain-dead thinking of Trumpers. It's very enlightening and frightening.
@napacat posted:I don’t see how parents are so willing to inject their child with a vaccine that has no long term studies for a disease / virus with a 99.9% survival rate (or greater) for healthy children. Makes no sense. Plenty of epidemiologists have said this as well. And I clearly stated that I hope his children have no underlying conditions.
Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything. A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
For the record, since the attack was towards me, your slander has no relevance in my world. You've proven yourself time and time again to not only be a fool, but also an asshole.
There are plenty of people here who I know personally and their opinions do matter, fortunately you are not one of them.
That said, if you ever find yourself near Ohio and want to call me a child abuser personally, please eat solid food ahead of time, because it won't be an option after we meet. Until then, fuck off.
So maybe we dodged our next pandemic? A worker cleaning out a freezer at a Merck vaccine facility found multiple vials labeled as "Smallpox". They've all been turned over to the CDC.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/via...lphia-003127682.html
As you may know, smallpox was eradicated in the 1970's and the only two known remaining existing samples are at the CDC, and in Russia. A smallpox outbreak would be particularly bad, given that only older people have gotten the smallpox vaccine when they were kids.
@Rothko posted:Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
Rothko, you are correct. The disease is hardly as benign for kids as simple life or death numbers suggest. SIRS is a separate more fatal COVID related entity. Myocarditis similarly. Long term sequelae starting at age 10 are truly long temporally with concomitant emotional and financial costs. But even that single person impact view is simplistic if not short sighted. Children are the biggest spreaders of viral disease, by their erratic instinctual behaviors which rarely include thoughts of how to observe public health directives, like coughing wo covering, wiping secretions, etc. Disease spread minimization is critical to stopping any infection let alone a pandemic, as well as keeping mom and dad healthy and able to work, not infecting a friend’s family, or saving grandma, or a sick neighbor, and thereby keeping the health care system smooth and available for others; and indirectly Lowering economic costs, keeping businesses open and Americans employed. Further - childhood vaccines are necessary. Smallpox and polio are obvious Mumps in kids is often mild, not so in adults. Rubella and CMV can cause severe intracranial injury in pregnant mothers. Hepatitis often leads in the long term to hepatocellular carcinoma, the worlds 5th leading cause of cancer deaths. The final word on coronavirus effects is not in, but using the more benign influenza as template, there are plenty of indirect morbidity sequelae. And COVID has far more effects on multiple systems. I am bemused at how so few people understand more than grade school science and can’t think critically out of absurd conspiracy idiocy or read the history of vaccines and why vaccines are given. I am saddened by how people can’t look past THEIR selves to see how good public health in the general welfare is better for everyone.
i'd shudder at the idea that my kids would have to live with life long asthma, loss of taste, enlarged heart, scarred lungs while idiots talk about "at least they're alive"
way to go to the lowest denominator much like most of trump voters.
@billhike posted:Your mom not aborting you was an act of terrorism.
Brilliant post
@Rothko posted:Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
Not true at all. Polio is far worse for children than Covid. Just look at the science! I have spoken to multiple doctors this past week and all have said it’s a bit crazy to give a 5-11 year old a Covid vaccine (unless there are co-morbidities). But carry on.
@napacat posted:Not true at all. Polio is far worse for children than Covid. Just look at the science! I have spoken to multiple doctors this past week and all have said it’s a bit crazy to give a 5-11 year old a Covid vaccine (unless there are co-morbidities). But carry on.
Coronavirus is similar to measles in morbidity/ mortality ( low) and transmissibility (high). The vaccine benefit to risk for kids is not high for either virus, but has a public health value since kids don’t live in a bubble by themselves. Getting a free vaccine was no big deal in 1961 and shouldn’t be in 2021. Fear is defeated by education. But now, the residual antivax myopia is stunning. So maybe I need to understand. Does 25% of the US just not give a damn about the other 75%?
@drtannin 2 posted:Does 25% of the US just not give a damn about the other 75%?
funny that in the past it was typically 2% of the US population (ie those with enough money to complain how everyone else is on welfare)
to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes.
so yea, I'd say 25% sounds about right.
and I love when someone so ignorant that they think making online random statements like "talking to alot of doctors" or "just look at the science" somehow equates to the same thing as actually linking controlled studies about the actual science behind such advice given by public health officials. But then why ask, I'd be linked to some random breibart type website that self references other breibart type websites that all don't have any actual science involved.
My how the english language has been bastardized to allow for such loose definition of words that they can be ambiguous.
I love how the ministry of truth has certainly done its number on a large segment of the US population.
@drtannin 2 posted:Coronavirus is similar to measles in morbidity/ mortality ( low) and transmissibility (high). The vaccine benefit to risk for kids is not high for either virus, but has a public health value since kids don’t live in a bubble by themselves.
i mean, sucks to have your kid be the one with life long issues just because you didn't want a vaccine though right?
i get rolling the dice, but denying any sort of vaccination can hardly be called an "informed decision" considering the efficacy and actual science behind individuals being vaccinated. This on top of the "do you care about your other fellow human" convo.
"...to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes."
It is the case that about 45-50% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. And it is also the case that 60% think their taxes are too high. That means some people who don't pay any taxes think they are paying too much.
@irwin posted:"...to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes."
It is the case that about 45-50% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. And it is also the case that 60% think their taxes are too high. That means some people who don't pay any taxes think they are paying too much.
coughcoughpublicunionscoughcough
Good old Florida once again in the news for Covid:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sev...tract-174049678.html
At least seven doctors who attended an anti-vaccine summit in Florida wind up contracting Covid after attending.
extolling the virtues of ivermectin at an equestrian centre. the jokes write themselves sometimes.
Rothko and csm. You have me LMAO. Truth is so much better than fiction
@drtannin 2 posted:Rothko and csm. You have me LMAO. Truth is so much better than fiction
And the guy referenced Boros is a local doctor in Key West
He is not reflective of others in town but . . .
In Maryland, 99.9% of "seniors" have received at least one shot. 88.2% of all adults have. Roughly 900,000 booster shots have been administered.
I wonder how many more people would be dead now if there were no vaccinations.
Autocorrect changes Omicron to 'Opinion'. Coincidence?
Omicron: Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
Omicron? Is he the Irish version of the French prime minister?
Another anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ant...arcus-224434365.html
These folks are certainly steadfast in their belief in God's power of healing. Personally, I'm a fan of God, but I am a bigger fan of science.
@irwin posted:Another anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ant...arcus-224434365.html
These folks are certainly steadfast in their belief in God's power of healing. Personally, I'm a fan of God, but I am a bigger fan of science.
No-click summary: "Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said."
@The Old Man posted:No-click summary: "Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said."
I feel about the unvaccinated as I do about seatbeltless drivers. It's Darwinism.
I feel about the unvaccinated who choose that path w/o medical reason [anaphlaxis etc] who vocal spread their nonscientific vitriol to others as I do about speeding beltless drivers sticking their middle finger out at us before the accident. Good riddance.
@drtannin 2 posted:I feel about the unvaccinated as I do about seatbeltless drivers. It's Darwinism.
I feel about the unvaccinated who choose that path w/o medical reason [anaphlaxis etc] who vocal spread their nonscientific vitriol to others as I do about speeding beltless drivers sticking their middle finger out at us before the accident. Good riddance.
ooh but if you handle their food without gloves, watch out!
Omicron reaches the U.S.
Will be interesting to see how it does in a country that's already flooded with the Delta variant.
Hearing that Omiciron infections are milder than Delta among the vaccinated. Let’s hope that continues.
Tested positive two weeks ago, had fever and headache for first 48 hours, still dealing with lethargy, mild cough, and difficulty smelling and tasting. Glad I was fully vaccinated so that it wasn't much worse. Unfortunately happened the day before I was scheduled to get the booster.
Fortunately my fully vaccinated wife and two children did not come down with anything.
@patespo1 posted:Tested positive two weeks ago, had fever and headache for first 48 hours, still dealing with lethargy, mild cough, and difficulty smelling and tasting. Glad I was fully vaccinated so that it wasn't much worse. Unfortunately happened the day before I was scheduled to get the booster.
Fortunately my fully vaccinated wife and two children did not come down with anything.
Now the third person here I know who got Covid and continues to suffer its effects weeks or months later. In fact, seems the other two will suffer aftereffects permanently. It hit the other two before vaccines were available.
@patespo1 posted:Tested positive two weeks ago, had fever and headache for first 48 hours, still dealing with lethargy, mild cough, and difficulty smelling and tasting. Glad I was fully vaccinated so that it wasn't much worse. Unfortunately happened the day before I was scheduled to get the booster.
Fortunately my fully vaccinated wife and two children did not come down with anything.
Yikes. Hope you make a full and speedy recovery!
Indeed, best wishes for a speedy recovery.
One of the assistants in our office got Covid back in March of this year. She still has no sense of smell, and very little taste.
@Rothko posted:Indeed, best wishes for a speedy recovery.
One of the assistants in our office got Covid back in March of this year. She still has no sense of smell, and very little taste.
Certainly as a wine and food lover, this is a big fear. I can taste some things right now but smell is the one that I'm having most trouble with at the moment.
@patespo1 posted:Certainly as a wine and food lover, this is a big fear. I can taste some things right now but smell is the one that I'm having most trouble with at the moment.
wow, speedy recovery pat!
And yet a good chunk of our populous won't do a simple thing to help increase the chances of ending, or at least mitigating, this thing.
@The Old Man posted:And yet a good chunk of our populous won't do a simple thing to help increase the chances of ending, or at least mitigating, this thing.
literally if we all collectively spent 2 weeks inside, this would pretty much be resolved.
but nope too hard, then they complain about lockdowns. i mean 60% of folks locking down doesnt do anything if the other 40% are just spreading around and creating new variants.
@The Old Man posted:And yet a good chunk of our populous won't do a simple thing to help increase the chances of ending, or at least mitigating, this thing.
Does anyone think things would have been at least a little better if Hillary had beaten Trump and so implemented the common sense measures and messaging that the rest if the world (bar Brazil and a few others ) have implemented? Or would the toxic poison of Fox News and others have validated the lunatics as much as Trump did.
Friend of mine just got back from Madrid. Spain is 91% vaxxed. Everyone wears masks inside and outside. You get a computer thing to carry around that has your passport number, name, and a bunch of other data. Everytime you go into a store, a restaurant, a museum, whatever, you show the computer thing and they scan it......They can thus track you down if the need arises. The populations is very compliant.
How would that work here? Idiots would say it is to much of an invasion of privacy and so forth.
@bman posted:Does anyone think things would have been at least a little better if Hillary had beaten Trump and so implemented the common sense measures and messaging that the rest if the world (bar Brazil and a few others ) have implemented? Or would the toxic poison of Fox News and others have validated the lunatics as much as Trump did.
I don't see how she could have done worse. At the least there wouldn't have been the denigrating of science.
@bman posted:Does anyone think things would have been at least a little better if Hillary had beaten Trump and so implemented the common sense measures and messaging that the rest if the world (bar Brazil and a few others ) have implemented? Or would the toxic poison of Fox News and others have validated the lunatics as much as Trump did.
no, just look at the 1918 pandemic. same sort of folks always pop up regardless.
Chicago headline articles
@g-man posted:no, just look at the 1918 pandemic. same sort of folks always pop up regardless.
Chicago headline articles
I don't see the equivalence here. It appears most everyone was taking it seriously. There was no cult of personality that caused tens of millions of people to reveal their ignorance.
I have an internet friend on another forum board who lost his 47-year old son to a heart attack two weeks ago, then his wife to COVID just a few days ago. Needless to say, it's going to be a rough Christmas for him. He says they were both vaccinated.
On a more upbeat note, my 7-year old grandson was the first kid to get the vaccine at our local clinic. He took the needle like a champ, and all the doctors and nurses gave him a standing ovation. He was pretty proud of himself. His brother turns 5 in April and will get a shot for his birthday.
(Got my 2nd shingles shot today. So I am fully up on all my shots now.)
@mneeley490 posted:I have an internet friend on another forum board who lost his 47-year old son to a heart attack two weeks ago, then his wife to COVID just a few days ago. Needless to say, it's going to be a rough Christmas for him. He says they were both vaccinated.
On a more upbeat note, my 7-year old grandson was the first kid to get the vaccine at our local clinic. He took the needle like a champ, and all the doctors and nurses gave him a standing ovation. He was pretty proud of himself. His brother turns 5 in April and will get a shot for his birthday.
(Got my 2nd shingles shot today. So I am fully up on all my shots now.)
Good for your grandkids. My youngest got his second shot yesterday, so we are now a fully vaxxed house.
Got my first cold in over two years. Tests came back negative for Covid and Flu, so I guess it's just a regular old fashioned whopper of a cold. Man, I've forgotten what it feels like to be sick. It sucks.
Knock on wood i can't tell you that time I had a good to honest cold or flu.
The last two years have brought forth a new human species- uneducated, stubborn, narcissistic. Homo ignoramus. Darwinism is Murphy's Law!
I love the Title of this Article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/vir...-case-165735331.html
"'Virtually every’ COVID omicron case at NY college was in fully vaccinated, official says"
It makes you think that Omicron is only infecting fully vaccinated people. Don't get the vaccine or you'll get Omicron!
Of course, then you read the article and what it says is that 97% of the college population is vaccinated, and they are having Omicron cases. So yeah, what you are seeing are breakthrough cases. Not that the virus is targeting the vaccinated.
@Rothko posted:I love the Title of this Article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/vir...-case-165735331.html
"'Virtually every’ COVID omicron case at NY college was in fully vaccinated, official says"
It makes you think that Omicron is only infecting fully vaccinated people. Don't get the vaccine or you'll get Omicron!
Of course, then you read the article and what it says is that 97% of the college population is vaccinated, and they are having Omicron cases. So yeah, what you are seeing are breakthrough cases. Not that the virus is targeting the vaccinated.
even so, no severe illness for the vaccinated
@Rothko posted:I love the Title of this Article: https://www.yahoo.com/news/vir...-case-165735331.html
"'Virtually every’ COVID omicron case at NY college was in fully vaccinated, official says"
It makes you think that Omicron is only infecting fully vaccinated people. Don't get the vaccine or you'll get Omicron!
Of course, then you read the article and what it says is that 97% of the college population is vaccinated, and they are having Omicron cases. So yeah, what you are seeing are breakthrough cases. Not that the virus is targeting the vaccinated.
So true. Part of the problem is students coming back from T-giving and congregating in large groups w/o masks. 100% of the cases are students. It's not simply "irresponsible" behavior. It is also owing to most faculty and staff having their 3rd jab, while most students have not (yet). This points to the importance of that 3rd jab/booster.
got my booster and the boys got their first shot.
though, i think my cvs booster shot might have been an incorrect dosage, i thoguht the dosage for the booster was suppose to be half of the regular dosage?
@g-man posted:got my booster and the boys got their first shot.
though, i think my cvs booster shot might have been an incorrect dosage, i thoguht the dosage for the booster was suppose to be half of the regular dosage?
The Moderna booster/3rd dose is usually half strength. I don't know about the Pfizer.
Pfizer booster is same dose as 1st two
Secretary in another office on my floor tested positive this past Saturday. Has not been in this week. She had her two shots but no booster. She smokes and is grossly overweight. So far minimal symptoms. Meanwhile the other two secretaries in her office, neither of whom has had shots at all are ok. Go figure.
@irwin posted:Secretary in another office on my floor tested positive this past Saturday. Has not been in this week. She had her two shots but no booster. She smokes and is grossly overweight. So far minimal symptoms. Meanwhile the other two secretaries in her office, neither of whom has had shots at all are ok. Go figure.
Pure blind luck.
Haggis and Dr. T are correct, I believe. The Moderna booster is a half dose; the Pfizer is a full. Moderna went with a half because I think they showed that it was still very effective and less chance of side-effects from the shot.
I'm trying to convince my adult son to get a booster. He's refusing, so far: "If the two doses don't work, why get a booster?"
Great to see the recent stats. Florida 290 deaths /100k people. only NY, AR & NJ ahead of us. Also he is losing his voters, we also have one of the highest rate of cases. Gov Ron is doing his best to keep us in the top 5 of something.
In addition to low teacher salaries, aid to schools etc.
Seahawks-Rams game scheduled for tomorrow has been postponed to Tuesday, due to the fact that 25 Rams players tested positive for COVID, as did 2 Seahawks. Rams won't simply forfeit, because due to new rules enacted this year, no players would receive a paycheck for this week.
Now the NFL has elected to stop testing vaccinated and asymptomatic players because it would really increase the case counts. Or something.
I’m fully Modernaed and I asked my pharmacist for the full dose for dose three (I told him I had a high lymphocyte count last time my blood was drawn, which is true but my doctor wasn’t worried). He gave me the full dose. (Or so he claimed!) So I should be as fully vaccinated as you can get. I just don’t understand the people hesitating. I’m ready for shot #4.
I now know 4 separate (2 live together, though) fully vaccinated and boosted (all Pfizer) people who’ve gotten presumably Omicron in the past 10 days. All had mild symptoms relative to COVID. All described it as a head cold with headache, post-nasal drip, some stuffiness, and a sore throat. And a couple had sub 100F fevers (like 99.5 .) Two of the four went on monoclonal antibodies just to be extra precautious. All four retained their ability to smell just fine. The first to test positive is now completely better (he is one of the people who took monoclonal antibodies) and the other three say they think they’re over the hump. All-in-all, kinda scary, but if that’s what Omicron is if you’re fully vaccinated, it is just a standard head cold that maybe lasts a few days longer than average. Of course, for the unvaccinated, even if on a per case basis it isn’t as severe as Delta, given the sheer volume of cases likely to emerge, there’s going to be another round of real and mostly avoidable suffering. 🤦♂️
@drtannin 2 posted:Pfizer booster is same dose as 1st two
ah thanks for the headsup.
Was just wondering because i did well with the first initial two and this last one kinda knocked me on my ass.
Two people I know died in the last week from Covid (person 1) or Covid related (person two was in the hospital for a week with Covid, died the day after they released him from a heart attack when he got home). Both oddly enough were 51 years old. The first person I know for certain was not vaccinated; the second I am not aware of his status.
Sorry to hear that patespo1. I fear we are in for a tough month or six weeks.
Omicron is the 15th letter in the Greek alphabet, out of 24. I truly hope that we finish with the Covid pandemic before we exhaust the Greek alphabet, but I think that is not likely.
Our governor has tested positive. I wish him well.
im surprised that trump has been telling on his tour for everyone to get vaccinated and the booster.
@g-man posted:im surprised that trump has been telling on his tour for everyone to get vaccinated and the booster.
They've been booing those comments like good little trained lemmings.
We both tested negative before coming back from Paris but both developed minor cold symptoms after getting back. We have company coming to visit so we re-tested for peace of mind and so we could tell them to abort if we were positive
Both negative again - apparently just a cold or reaction to the change in climate and travelling. Haven't had a cold in 2 years so its sort of weird.
Based on the symptoms and that I was better in 2 days and was never really sick - I was confident it was just travel effects or a cold but am relieved.
@jcocktosten posted:We both tested negative before coming back from Paris but both developed minor cold symptoms after getting back. We have company coming to visit so we re-tested for peace of mind and so we could tell them to abort if we were positive
Both negative again - apparently just a cold or reaction to the change in climate and travelling. Haven't had a cold in 2 years so its sort of weird.
Based on the symptoms and that I was better in 2 days and was never really sick - I was confident it was just travel effects or a cold but am relieved.
Happy to hear you two are not infected!
"A Texas man, whose death was the first confirmed Omicron-related in the US, was unvaccinated and had previously been infected with the coronavirus, according to a press release from Harris County Public Health."
Oh well.
@The Old Man posted:"A Texas man, whose death was the first confirmed Omicron-related in the US, was unvaccinated and had previously been infected with the coronavirus, according to a press release from Harris County Public Health."
Oh well.
Oh well isn't the proper dismissive phrase we are supposed to use, it's Thoughts and Prayers
@The Old Man posted:"A Texas man, whose death was the first confirmed Omicron-related in the US, was unvaccinated and had previously been infected with the coronavirus, according to a press release from Harris County Public Health."
Oh well.
Two takeaways here for me:
-immunity gained from infection is no guarantee of safety
-Omicron can kill you too
Which of course, most of us here and a majority of everyone else already know, while those who get their health advice from Fox News and Youtube and some random guy they know will just carry on until it happens to them.
@bman posted:Two takeaways here for me:
-immunity gained from infection is no guarantee of safety
-Omicron can kill you too
Which of course, most of us here and a majority of everyone else already know, while those who get their health advice from Fox News and Youtube and some random guy they know will just carry on until it happens to them.
I believe 80+% of us will get omicron COVID before it's over. Too transmissible, and especially if symptoms remain "mild", and our behaviors are unchanged. The four keys will be:
1- Too many will stay unvaccinated or undervaccinated. Will any natural immunity from the illness ever be sufficient, eg long lasting or strong enough to prevent sustained periods of reinfections?
2- Variants are exhibiting more successful mutations. Will a new variant emerge [perhaps mix omecron's infectivity and delta's virulence] to keep COVID a terrible endemic infection?
3- Vaccine and antibody injections are playing catch up to variants as long as there are infections. Can a more generic coronaviral vaccine be devised to be proactive or are we in an influenza best fit guess mode forever?
4- The toll on health care systems and workers is massive; emotional stress; and availability, such as the ability to treat and monitor acute in patient including ICU problems and outpatient chronic diseases like cancer. Can we prevent collapse of our health systems and damage to our economy under the weight of what's becoming a novel chronic active human disease?
@drtannin 2 posted:I believe 80+% of us will get omicron COVID before it's over. Too transmissible, and especially if symptoms remain "mild", and our behaviors are unchanged. The four keys will be:
1- Too many will stay unvaccinated or undervaccinated. Will any natural immunity from the illness ever be sufficient, eg long lasting or strong enough to prevent sustained periods of reinfections?
2- Variants are exhibiting more successful mutations. Will a new variant emerge [perhaps mix omecron's infectivity and delta's virulence] to keep COVID a terrible endemic infection?
3- Vaccine and antibody injections are playing catch up to variants as long as there are infections. Can a more generic coronaviral vaccine be devised to be proactive or are we in an influenza best fit guess mode forever?
4- The toll on health care systems and workers is massive; emotional stress; and availability, such as the ability to treat and monitor acute in patient including ICU problems and outpatient chronic diseases like cancer. Can we prevent collapse of our health systems and damage to our economy under the weight of what's becoming a novel chronic active human disease?
Longer term, do you think countries with 90%+ fully vaccinated and boostered populations (i.e. Canada and much of Europe) will reach a sufficient level of herd immunity and so can return to some semblance of normal? Or will less vaccinated countries (I.e. the US) screw it up for us all?
Sadly, I think the latter. Given the large number of mutations, Omicron probably was mutating multiple times in S African hosts for a while. That said every level of some immunity is much better than none. It's not an all or none phenomenon.
I think there may be a chance that if this virus mutation is less deadly, and hospitalizations don't start going off, we might be seeing the beginning of the diminishment of this disease. I would say this is the case if it goes down to flu like levels (50,000 dead a year with most having co-morbidities), by the end of next year.
Maybe. Meanwhile tens of thousands die needlessly.
It's remarkable that the new life expectancy tables will show a decrease in the US of life expectancy by 2 years. With all the effort to diagnose and treat cardiovascular disease, cancers, and other ailments, the fact that we are losing ground to this virus and its mutations is testament to the strength and power of Covid.
Of course, from March 2020 to the beginning of 2021, there was no vaccine. Thus, all the people who died in that time frame were not vaccinated. Since the early part of 2021, nearly all the people who have died have been unvaccinated.
The vaccines are really good at preventing death. That is crystal clear.
@The Old Man posted:I think there may be a chance that if this virus mutation is less deadly, and hospitalizations don't start going off, we might be seeing the beginning of the diminishment of this disease. I would say this is the case if it goes down to flu like levels (50,000 dead a year with most having co-morbidities), by the end of next year.
Maybe. Meanwhile tens of thousands die needlessly.
or it could be one mutation away from something far more deadly.
We just had a WA state senator, 52, pass away from COVID. Oddly enough, he lead Trump's presidential campaign in the state, and had battled against vaccine mandates. His apparent treatment of choice was monoclonal antibodies.
I really hope eventually it will get better and kinda normal. I don't want to see a thread called "Coronavirus 2029" but so far it doesn't look very promising. I convinced few of my friends to get the vaccinations and don't see what else can me and other people do to make it better. I have a huge stock of mask and sanitizers from online pharmacy and i never go outside without those in my backpack.
Just got back from Europe. They certainly seem to handle this better over there. Everyone required to wear KN95 masks; no one complains. You just do it. Everyone's got the vaccine info on their App; they looked at our American paper vaccine cards and didn't have a clue what they meant. I eventually got all my vaccine and testing information on a Covid App that is required in Switzerland to go into any buildings - I can use it anywhere in western Europe apparently. You need to be vaccinated to go into any restaurant, shop, etc.
Getting tested over there was a breeze. Even returning home, where you needed a Covid test within 24 hours of the flight to the US was easy - just got a rapid test at the airport and got the results while I was in the line to check my bags.
I was bummed that I had to wear a mask on the plane for 10 hours, knowing that everyone on the plane had tested negative for Covid within the last 24 hours, and was vaccinated. But rules are rules.
@Rothko posted:Just got back from Europe. They certainly seem to handle this better over there. Everyone required to wear KN95 masks; no one complains. You just do it. Everyone's got the vaccine info on their App; they looked at our American paper vaccine cards and didn't have a clue what they meant. I eventually got all my vaccine and testing information on a Covid App that is required in Switzerland to go into any buildings - I can use it anywhere in western Europe apparently. You need to be vaccinated to go into any restaurant, shop, etc.
Getting tested over there was a breeze. Even returning home, where you needed a Covid test within 24 hours of the flight to the US was easy - just got a rapid test at the airport and got the results while I was in the line to check my bags.
I was bummed that I had to wear a mask on the plane for 10 hours, knowing that everyone on the plane had tested negative for Covid within the last 24 hours, and was vaccinated. But rules are rules.
The far right politicization of everything, even basic public health, is going to continue to make life increasingly difficult for Americans while life elsewhere just gets on with the business of dealing with the virus and other challenges.
And just wait until the election nonsense really heats up.....
And after that, if the far right (or less worrisome, the far left) candidates win.
Have a jury trial set to start 1-18 - am very curious to see if there is going to be another jury trial suspension - at least for civil cases.
@jcocktosten posted:Have a jury trial set to start 1-18 - am very curious to see if there is going to be another jury trial suspension - at least for civil cases.
Our jury cases just got put on hold for a month or so. Civil and criminal.
@irwin posted:Our jury cases just got put on hold for a month or so. Civil and criminal.
No idea if it is all trials or just mine - but I just got continued to the end of March
We were supposed to go to an 80th birthday party for a good friend up at our Western Maryland condo. We were up there. Everyone coming was vaxxed and boosted. But, my wife said, "We're not going. I don't want to be in the same room with 15 people."
The party was Monday night. We didn't go. Yesterday 5 of the attendees tested positive. We came back to Baltimore yesterday and got carryout Chinese for dinner.
It's amazing how frequently my wife is right about stuff.
I always get the last word in any argument/disagreement. Yes Dear
In the last few days my wife's Uncle tested positive, my general contractor for my kitchen remodel as well, somebody PURPLE works with as well, etc... This crap is closing in. Getting a little too close for comfort.
