jabe11 posted:

One positive out of this whole thing, it's sure a lot easier to get my kids to eat veggies (we are encouraging [read: enforcing] better nutrition).  They always ate fruit, sure, but just recently, my daughter actually requested broccoli for dinner.  That is a serious win right there.  

My two grandsons (3 & 5) would rather have broccoli than candy. They certainly didn't get that from their mother.

"Trump tweets that states like Michigan and Minnesota should be 'liberated.'"

I believe that the president of the United States is attempting to foment a civil war. And we're only seven months away from the election. This will only get worse, much worse.

The Old Man posted:

"Trump tweets that states like Michigan and Minnesota should be 'liberated.'"

I believe that the president of the United States is attempting to foment a civil war. And we're only seven months away from the election. This will only get worse, much worse.

Also for Virginia, but in that tweet he had to add in some 2nd amendment paranoia. Maybe he was disappointed that they don’t have fuctards there clogging traffic and crowding areas with AR-15’s over their shoulders like the morons in Michigan.

This is the kind of unrest he will want to generate if it looks like he is going to lose the election. It goes without saying that he will definitely do it if he does lose.

He says it is up to him. Then he says it is up to the governors.  Then he foments unrest with the governors.  The President is deeply unhinged and disturbed.

 

irwin posted:

He says it is up to him. Then he says it is up to the governors.  Then he foments unrest with the governors.  The President is deeply unhinged and disturbed.

 

None of which is a surprise if anyone listened to me in 2016 as I have the misfortune to know the moron

Non-Trumpsters listened or knew that as well.  I don’t know why people are still surprised by this behavior.

doubled posted:

Non-Trumpsters listened or knew that as well.  I don’t know why people are still surprised by this behavior.

Only surprised at his ability to get worse and go lower.

billhike posted:
doubled posted:

Non-Trumpsters listened or knew that as well.  I don’t know why people are still surprised by this behavior.

Only surprised at his ability to get worse and go lower.

Like the Limbo.  Looks as though he will go lower in the sewer.

Greenwine lost his mom this past Tuesday at age 93.  Presumed coronavirus even though she wasn't tested, but her roommate in the nursing home did test positive.  Very private funeral for no more than 10 people and shiva by way of Zoom.

As with the reported number of cases of confirmed coronavirus, the number of deaths from coronavirus is also underreported. No doubt, there are many seniors dying before they make it to the hospital, let alone get tested.

The stats in my main hospital mirror that of the NY metro area in general.  Number of patients admitted with COVID and number of patients on vents is slowly decreasing, but deaths continue to pile up.  I'm seeing a lot of patients with severe pneumonia in the 40-65 year old range, otherwise healthy, and the youngest intubated (on ventilator) pateint ive seen is 19.  Believe me, everyone is vulnerable.

So sad to see San Diegans participating in a "fuck you society" protest today. Think of the health care workers, food bank volunteers, the grocery store personnel who never thought they would be expected to risk their lives to scan bananas--they are making it worse for them and all of us. Another thing you can thank the "liberator" in chief for inflaming.

The Old Man posted:

So sad to see San Diegans participating in a "fuck you society" protest today. Think of the health care workers, food bank volunteers, the grocery store personnel who never thought they would be expected to risk their lives to scan bananas--they are making it worse for them and all of us. Another thing you can thank the "liberator" in chief for inflaming.

How long should your state be closed for?  You have almost 40 Million people in CA and roughly 29k positive cases in the sate with slightly more than $1k deaths (which is of course tragic that anyone had to die due to these circumstances).

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

So sad to see San Diegans participating in a "fuck you society" protest today. Think of the health care workers, food bank volunteers, the grocery store personnel who never thought they would be expected to risk their lives to scan bananas--they are making it worse for them and all of us. Another thing you can thank the "liberator" in chief for inflaming.

How long should your state be closed for?  You have almost 40 Million people in CA and roughly 29k positive cases in the sate with slightly more than $1k deaths (which is of course tragic that anyone had to die due to these circumstances).

CA doesn’t reside at the low end of the range of cases/deaths per million residents by luck and willful ignorance.  Those numbers were achieved by being the first state to start implementing shelter in place policies on a regional basis, which subsequently became statewide.  The medical community here isn’t as overwhelmed as NYC or Louisiana, but everyone I know who are medical personnel that go into hospitals whenever they work (which includes immediate family members) are on edge and wearing as much PPE as possible.  My sister is an MD, and by the time she’s done getting ready to go to the hospital for her shift(s), she looks more like an asbestos abatement professional than a doctor.  

There is no vaccine yet available, no verified drug regimen proven to help those who tested positive to recover, and woefully inadequate testing supplies (thus a decent likelihood that there are a significant number of asymptomatic carriers who can still transmit the virus to others).  Until we have positive movement in all those three areas I just mentioned, COVID-19 is going to be with us for awhile.  This is NOT like Spanish flu, which resulted in a quick demise (plenty of anecdotal evidence of people becoming sick in the morning, and passing away before nightfall) and a small percentage of survivors amongst those who were afflicted. 

This has taken a horrific toll on the business communities everywhere here.  But most Californians still want to abide by health experts, rather than incompetent politicians 2500 miles away, to provide guidance on when we should start reopening the state.

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Our Republican Governor, Larry Hogan, has been on the national news alot lately because he is the head of the National governor's association. He's been critical of President Trump in many ways.  (He did not vote for Trump).  While Maryland is one of the states with 2 Democratic senators and 2/3 of the voters are registered democrats, Governor Hogan is in his second term as a Republican and enjoys a 70% or so approval rating.  The latest news:

https://www.wbal.com/article/4...00-coronavirus-tests

Here is his press conference....

https://video.search.yahoo.com...4449&action=view

Way to go, Governor!

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Well, I took the antibody test on Friday.  Results came back today.  Negative.  I suspected that would be that case, but I am a bit disappointed.

Rothko posted:

Well, I took the antibody test on Friday.  Results came back today.  Negative.  I suspected that would be that case, but I am a bit disappointed.

Which company made the test?  There was a NY Times article yesterday about the tests being unreliable especially the ones made in China.

The Old Man posted:

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

You are tiring Old Man....why make it a political post.  Mine was not political.  Look at the stories coming out about how many people have had it / may have it and have mild symptoms or may not even know.  Factor all that in and the mortality rate is going way down.  We need to protect the elderly and those with an underlying condition...but we have to get back on our feet.

Listening to people who say we could be shut down for three months plus is just insane. 

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

You are tiring Old Man....why make it a political post.  Mine was not political.  Look at the stories coming out about how many people have had it / may have it and have mild symptoms or may not even know.  Factor all that in and the mortality rate is going way down.  We need to protect the elderly and those with an underlying condition...but we have to get back on our feet.

Listening to people who say we could be shut down for three months plus is just insane. 

I didn't make it political. I called out the bullshit you're trying to shovel. I hate wasting time on you and I hate getting caught up in your phoney innocent troll act. I'm out for this conversation with you.

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napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

You are tiring Old Man....why make it a political post.  Mine was not political.  Look at the stories coming out about how many people have had it / may have it and have mild symptoms or may not even know.  Factor all that in and the mortality rate is going way down.  We need to protect the elderly and those with an underlying condition...but we have to get back on our feet.

Listening to people who say we could be shut down for three months plus is just insane. 

I highly recommend you go to NYC / Boston / NOLA  and volunteer at one of the hospitals.  You're not worried right, since you're not 'high risk'?  

The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

You are tiring Old Man....why make it a political post.  Mine was not political.  Look at the stories coming out about how many people have had it / may have it and have mild symptoms or may not even know.  Factor all that in and the mortality rate is going way down.  We need to protect the elderly and those with an underlying condition...but we have to get back on our feet.

Listening to people who say we could be shut down for three months plus is just insane. 

I didn't make it political. I called out the bullshit you're trying to shovel. I hate wasting time on you and I hate getting caught up in your phoney innocent troll act. I'm out for this conversation with you.

That's because you are pure emotion without any rational thinking.   I've read and listened to many doctors that state by going on a nationwide quarantine, you are simply delaying when people catch the virus.    So let's go ahead and close the entire nation until we create a vaccine.  

patespo1 posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Napa, I think you and your fellow deep thinkers need to make a stand. There have only been "$1k deaths" (interesting slip there since we know for you, in regard to Trump, it's all about the Benjamins.) So you and your like-minded friends need to get together and have protests about this. March shoulder to shoulder. Have big beach parties. Jam together as many of those who know the MSM is blowing this out of proportion. You guys know the truth, so don't listen to the state authorities and scientists. Put your trust in the president who, "really gets his stuff." And be sure to fill those pews. It's already been more than a month since Trump wanted them packed for Easter. So what's the problem? As much as possible I want you, and your Trump supporting friends, to be liberated. So get out there and enjoy and screw everybody else!

You are tiring Old Man....why make it a political post.  Mine was not political.  Look at the stories coming out about how many people have had it / may have it and have mild symptoms or may not even know.  Factor all that in and the mortality rate is going way down.  We need to protect the elderly and those with an underlying condition...but we have to get back on our feet.

Listening to people who say we could be shut down for three months plus is just insane. 

I highly recommend you go to NYC / Boston / NOLA  and volunteer at one of the hospitals.  You're not worried right, since you're not 'high risk'?  

Nice post...I am not a trained healthcare professional so I would just be in the way.  There was a NY doctor who posted a video that advised on how to avoid the virus (or mitigate it as best as possible).  We all need to take a little bit more personal responsibility and get the country moving.  The numbers just do not make sense.  You're tiring as well.

doubled posted:
Rothko posted:

Well, I took the antibody test on Friday.  Results came back today.  Negative.  I suspected that would be that case, but I am a bit disappointed.

Which company made the test?  There was a NY Times article yesterday about the tests being unreliable especially the ones made in China.

I believe it was from Zhejiang Orient Gene Biotech.  It was the lab assay test.

napacat posted:
 I've read and listened to many doctors that state by going on a nationwide quarantine, you are simply delaying when people catch the virus.    So let's go ahead and close the entire nation until we create a vaccine.  
 

Citation, please.  From actual doctors not named Drew, Phil or Oz.  Thank you.

PH 

napacat posted:

Nice post...I am not a trained healthcare professional so I would just be in the way.  

Oh, pshaw napa.  I'm sure they could use some help carrying corpses to the refrigerated trucks or hauling them to Hart Island.  Bring your HazMat suit and pitch in!!  

PH

This just in, from an acquaintance of mine and the father of a classmate of my eldest granddaughter, the incomparable Gene Weingarten.  It's a bit long, but WELL worth the read:

I had an idea for how to stop the idiots from demonstrating,  cheek to jowl, for the right to die of Covfefe-1, and, by gum, spread it to your grandma, too.   Or if it won't stop them, it will at least play with their heads a bit, and maybe make some of them second guess themselves, and realize they just might be helpfully culling their own herd. 

So.  Bear with me.  

Create a good-looking website, as described below.  

For each planned rally, assemble two or three people dressed as health workers, in hospital scrubs, masks, and pretty elaborate haz-mat type gear.   Have them hand out pamphlets.  The pamphlets should be impressive: professionally done on decent paper.   They should be respectful, and read something like this:

We are health care professionals conducting a study on the spread of Covid-19.  We respect your constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble.  We are not passing judgment on this protest event.  But for the sake of medical science, we are looking to gather data on whether this sort of assembly, in defiance of recommended norms, might contribute to the spread of the virus. We are seeking valid data, and have no preconceived notions.  Below is a website we have created for this purpose.   May we ask you to contact us if you develop Covid-19 symptoms within 18 days of this meeting?  Symptoms include a sustained fever of 100 degrees or higher, a dry cough, conjunctivitis ("pinkeye") worrisome sustained lethargy, or any combination of these symptoms.   We also ask you to share this correspondence with at least one loved one in case you cannot contact us yourselves because your symptoms are incapacitating or fatal.  Thank you for your cooperation. 

PH

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purplehaze posted:
napacat posted:
 I've read and listened to many doctors that state by going on a nationwide quarantine, you are simply delaying when people catch the virus.    So let's go ahead and close the entire nation until we create a vaccine.  
 

Citation, please.  From actual doctors not named Drew, Phil or Oz.  Thank you.

PH 

It was from a Dr, named Dr. David Katz ( I believe a founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center).  

The Old Man posted:

I don't like just linking things, but here's Napa's fellow nitwits at work.

Heroes of the Pandemic

Nice...the very newsworthy Trevor Noah.  Since Jon Stewart left and then John Oliver...this show is unwatchable.

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

I don't like just linking things, but here's Napa's fellow nitwits at work.

Heroes of the Pandemic

Nice...the very newsworthy Trevor Noah.  Since Jon Stewart left and then John Oliver...this show is unwatchable.

Wow. What did this have to do with Noah? That it was on his show? It was simply a string of lies and misstatements from your hero and his minions. Typical Napa attempt at deflection.

Oh yeah, here's your guy, "In 2015, Katz wrote two positive reviews in his Huffington Post blog for a science fiction book that he had published under a pseudonym, without disclosing that he was the author of the book; Huffington Post retracted the posts."

What is the point of debating or responding to you? You are so shockingly stupid it just isn't worth the time.

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The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

I don't like just linking things, but here's Napa's fellow nitwits at work.

Heroes of the Pandemic

Nice...the very newsworthy Trevor Noah.  Since Jon Stewart left and then John Oliver...this show is unwatchable.

Wow. What did this have to do with Noah? That it was on his show? It was simply a string of lies and misstatements from your hero and his minions. Typical Napa attempt at deflection.

Oh yeah, here's your guy, "In 2015, Katz wrote two positive reviews in his Huffington Post blog for a science fiction book that he had published under a pseudonym, without disclosing that he was the author of the book; Huffington Post retracted the posts."

What is the point of debating or responding to you? You are so shockingly stupid it just isn't worth the time.

I can advise yet again that Napacat is truly dumber than he looks!

The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

I don't like just linking things, but here's Napa's fellow nitwits at work.

Heroes of the Pandemic

Nice...the very newsworthy Trevor Noah.  Since Jon Stewart left and then John Oliver...this show is unwatchable.

Wow. What did this have to do with Noah? That it was on his show? It was simply a string of lies and misstatements from your hero and his minions. Typical Napa attempt at deflection.

Oh yeah, here's your guy, "In 2015, Katz wrote two positive reviews in his Huffington Post blog for a science fiction book that he had published under a pseudonym, without disclosing that he was the author of the book; Huffington Post retracted the posts."

What is the point of debating or responding to you? You are so shockingly stupid it just isn't worth the time.

So you’ll stop doing so?

purplehaze posted:

This just in, from an acquaintance of mine and the father of a classmate of my eldest granddaughter, the incomparable Gene Weingarten.  It's a bit long, but WELL worth the read:

I had an idea for how to stop the idiots from demonstrating,  cheek to jowl, for the right to die of Covfefe-1, and, by gum, spread it to your grandma, too.   Or if it won't stop them, it will at least play with their heads a bit, and maybe make some of them second guess themselves, and realize they just might be helpfully culling their own herd. 

So.  Bear with me.  

Create a good-looking website, as described below.  

For each planned rally, assemble two or three people dressed as health workers, in hospital scrubs, masks, and pretty elaborate haz-mat type gear.   Have them hand out pamphlets.  The pamphlets should be impressive: professionally done on decent paper.   They should be respectful, and read something like this:

We are health care professionals conducting a study on the spread of Covid-19.  We respect your constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble.  We are not passing judgment on this protest event.  But for the sake of medical science, we are looking to gather data on whether this sort of assembly, in defiance of recommended norms, might contribute to the spread of the virus. We are seeking valid data, and have no preconceived notions.  Below is a website we have created for this purpose.   May we ask you to contact us if you develop Covid-19 symptoms within 18 days of this meeting?  Symptoms include a sustained fever of 100 degrees or higher, a dry cough, conjunctivitis ("pinkeye") worrisome sustained lethargy, or any combination of these symptoms.   We also ask you to share this correspondence with at least one loved one in case you cannot contact us yourselves because your symptoms are incapacitating or fatal.  Thank you for your cooperation. 

PH

Here are some thoughts on herd immunity from San Diego MD Paul Saladino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCOxukyA4Zg

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spo posted:
purplehaze posted:

This just in, from an acquaintance of mine and the father of a classmate of my eldest granddaughter, the incomparable Gene Weingarten.  It's a bit long, but WELL worth the read:

I had an idea for how to stop the idiots from demonstrating,  cheek to jowl, for the right to die of Covfefe-1, and, by gum, spread it to your grandma, too.   Or if it won't stop them, it will at least play with their heads a bit, and maybe make some of them second guess themselves, and realize they just might be helpfully culling their own herd. 

So.  Bear with me.  

Create a good-looking website, as described below.  

For each planned rally, assemble two or three people dressed as health workers, in hospital scrubs, masks, and pretty elaborate haz-mat type gear.   Have them hand out pamphlets.  The pamphlets should be impressive: professionally done on decent paper.   They should be respectful, and read something like this:

We are health care professionals conducting a study on the spread of Covid-19.  We respect your constitutionally guaranteed right to assemble.  We are not passing judgment on this protest event.  But for the sake of medical science, we are looking to gather data on whether this sort of assembly, in defiance of recommended norms, might contribute to the spread of the virus. We are seeking valid data, and have no preconceived notions.  Below is a website we have created for this purpose.   May we ask you to contact us if you develop Covid-19 symptoms within 18 days of this meeting?  Symptoms include a sustained fever of 100 degrees or higher, a dry cough, conjunctivitis ("pinkeye") worrisome sustained lethargy, or any combination of these symptoms.   We also ask you to share this correspondence with at least one loved one in case you cannot contact us yourselves because your symptoms are incapacitating or fatal.  Thank you for your cooperation. 

PH

Here are some thoughts on herd immunity from San Diego MD Paul Saladino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCOxukyA4Zg

I’d be very leery of a guy whose credentials and background are severely lacking to be speaking to solutions for a pandemic.  A medical degree doesn’t mean you’re an expert at everything medical-related.

Just as an FYI, the generally accepted percentage of the population needed to achieve herd immunity is 70%.  By even the most extreme and aggressive forecasts of the number of folks who would have tested positive for COVID-19 (but weren’t tested) and have subsequently recovered, we are a long ways from attaining that 70% threshold. 

This is akin to trying to hit critical mass.  It’s not as if the buildup to critical mass involves zero discomfort and suffering, then you’re at critical mass and all hell suddenly breaks loose.  Increasing suffering occurs as you progress.  COVID-19 without social restrictions would result in far higher rates of confirmed fatalities before any sort of herd immunity could be achieved.

So this Thread is in "Travel & Entertainment"?   Not to entertaining with Napa & TOM.  Should be in the new area "Madder than Hell"

@napacat posted:

It was from a Dr, named Dr. David Katz ( I believe a founding director of the Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center).  

"I've read and listened to MANY doctors..."  then cites one Doctor 

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