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irwin posted:

Big story today from the LA Times:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tru...early-233508840.html

Says that Pres. Trump ended a program that could have helped identify the virus early, etc.  But, it's hard for me to believe that he did this spontaneously or on his own. He's not the kind of guy who looks at the budget himself, line by line, and figures out where to cut.  The questions for me are a) who in the administration at the time recommended to the President that the program be cut and b) who opposed it? Did any Democrats or others in Congress or in the Senate who serve on science and health committees notice and complain?

Trump was elected to "drain the swamp." This is just of another version of Reagan's anti-government stance. From his inaugural address, "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. Also this infamous line, "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." This attitude has driven the Republican agenda since and the chickens have come home to roost.

Now off course the current president doesn't have the brains to review the budget and make decisions, but besides his agreement with Reagan's philosophy (and the former Republican party's general agenda) he has one more mission: Destroy everything Obama has done. His sycophants and minions know this and everyday do whatever they can to make the Great Leader happy. Such as take the teeth out of the EPA and FDA. 

So I'm not sure what the Democrats could have done and perhaps they didn't really notice this while trying to tamp down the daily horrors that have come out of the WH in the last three and a half years. So it was: science program (science bad) Obama program (Obama bad) a government program that didn't help the 1% (government bad, however not when it serves the rich.)

The chickens have come home to roost indeed.

irwin posted:

Around 2750 cases in Maryland, with 42 deaths.  So the death rate here is between 1 and 2%.

 

People are only counted as "cases" if they have a positive test.  Currently, most people in the US only get tested if they have symptoms and seek medical attention.  But many/most infected people have no symptoms or only mild symptoms, and do not get tested.  Thus, the true mortality rate is estimated to be well below 1% for all COVID-19 infections.

How so?  A death must have a positive test to count as a COVID-19 death.  Almost everyone with COVID-19-like illness (including everyone with influenza and viral pneumonia) who dies in the US, will get a COVID-19 test.  The only way a COVID-19 death will not be counted as such, is if the test is repeatedly false negative.

I am confident of one thing:  I will not run out of wine during this ordeal, unless my off-site storage locker is deemed non-essential and shuts down. 

What I was trying to imply is that there are people who have the virus but don’t show symptoms.  Meanwhile they pass it on to more people who pass it to more people.  Eventually the infected show symptoms and some die.  While the percentages may intimately be less than 1% after the finally tally is made, the actual number who die will be large.  This excludes the collateral damage to the healthcare system, human psyche (e.g., reluctance to get in a plane, cruise ship, etc.), and other areas.

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.66% sounds like pretty good odds, until you take that as a percentage of the US population (330,000,000) and that leaves you with 2.1 million dead Americans.  That assumes, of course, that we are all going to get it before a vaccine comes out in 18 months.  The current "stay at home" orders are designed to reduce the number of people infected right now, but who knows how many resurgences we will see over the next year and a half.

 

javachip posted:

How so?  A death must have a positive test to count as a COVID-19 death.  Almost everyone with COVID-19-like illness (including everyone with influenza and viral pneumonia) who dies in the US, will get a COVID-19 test.  The only way a COVID-19 death will not be counted as such, is if the test is repeatedly false negative.

I am confident of one thing:  I will not run out of wine during this ordeal, unless my off-site storage locker is deemed non-essential and shuts down. 

Are you not supposed to stay home?  So should locker folks.  I'll pick up for you

mneeley490 posted:
winedrmike posted:

Now that I'm recovering from the virus my senses are off.  Opened a bottle of 2013 Sullivan Cabernet and 2016 Stags Leap petite Syrah, and I could not smell either one. Taste buds are also off as well.  Hopefully this is only short term.  Damn Virus! 

I heard on the evening news that the loss of smell and taste were previously unreported symptoms of the virus. They said that both do eventually come back. 

Thise sounds like a time to drink your Bret monsters!

Went for daily run today- instead of running to the beach like usual as I was running a little late and with Easter thought it might be more crowded than usual - decided to run in the other direction to the Harbor and then Duval Street (our downtown - ha ha) - in a span of 10 blocks from a distance I saw 4 people that I know - no stopping or talking - just hellos from a distance - but was nice to see people I know in person

ProSys posted:

Weird that posts made back in March by some forumites who registered then are just now showing up in this thread.........

Posts by new members go into quarantine, as do posts by certain longtime members who have a history of inflammatory posts, until they can be reviewed by WS. Or something like that. 

Rothko posted:

I've never seen so many people biking, walking or running around here.  At first I thought that that meant that more people were getting outside and getting fit, but I don't think so.  I guess that with gyms, beaches and parks closed, the same amount of people are exercising, just on the roads.

I for one am running because I can't play tennis (and need to make up for the extra carb-eating and drinking)

Rothko posted:

I've never seen so many people biking, walking or running around here.  At first I thought that that meant that more people were getting outside and getting fit, but I don't think so.  I guess that with gyms, beaches and parks closed, the same amount of people are exercising, just on the roads.

I think you are right generally.  We can't go to the gym, so days we don't play golf we are taking a walk.  There may be some people that are walking that normally don't do so just to get out of the house.

Ray, the amount of people I see out walking/jogging/riding in my neighborhood has at least tripled. I walk/run my dog for about an hour every night and I've met a ton of new people. From afar of course.

I had lost about 30 lbs on a low carb diet. Oh man have things changed. My drinking has at least doubled and I eat pizza no less than twice a week. At least I have kept up the exercise portion of my program.

jabe11 posted:

One positive out of this whole thing, it's sure a lot easier to get my kids to eat veggies (we are encouraging [read: enforcing] better nutrition).  They always ate fruit, sure, but just recently, my daughter actually requested broccoli for dinner.  That is a serious win right there.  

The Coronavirus pandemic has made it easier for you to get your children to eat vegetables? 

The Old Man posted:
jabe11 posted:

One positive out of this whole thing, it's sure a lot easier to get my kids to eat veggies (we are encouraging [read: enforcing] better nutrition).  They always ate fruit, sure, but just recently, my daughter actually requested broccoli for dinner.  That is a serious win right there.  

The Coronavirus pandemic has made it easier for you to get your children to eat vegetables? 

Yes...they are receptive to eating healthier, which for us means greens, fresh fruit, smoothies, etc.  In the past, they weren't as receptive, but the have an understanding of the health risks of the virus. 

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