@billhike posted:Would you do what the guy in the scenario above did?
I don't think so but I've also never been in that situation. Not sure why you need to turn this around about me Bill.
@wineismylife posted:I don't think so but I've also never been in that situation. Not sure why you need to turn this around about me Bill.
Not what I’m doing. My point was that there was a rule in place for the guy to board the flight. He knew he potentially posed a risk to a lot of people but paid to get around the rule. I know there are infected people all over, (your point that I responded to) that in many cases don’t know they are positive. This jag off knew he was but didn’t care.
@wineismylife posted:And you guys don't think this is happening hundreds of times a day on airlines? People flying positive?
it's why i still wear a mask on planes. a 90% reduction in viral load helps me have that extra shot of gin before the flight
@drtannin 2 posted:Returning back to health issues, COVID joins the flu as an endemic lifetime risk with periodic epidemics. If orthopoxviruses [monkeypox, smallpox] return at large, no one will care about COVID. If states ban contraceptives next, encouraging bounty justice, the R party will lose massive numbers of women and young voters. And, if the health cost of inevitable climate variation affects food resources, well then...it's cellar diminishment time. Living thru the late 60's- early 70's seemed like a test. No, we are now in the real test.
Anyway, so yeah Napacat, our govt R and D, has sucked for quite some time, but it's now worse w/r to health care than it's ever been... in my lifetime.
I honestly think Monkey pox would acutally get folks to pay more attention. Humans are much more attuned to things that cause deformities vs things that just put you under some man made life saving thingies.
@drtannin 2 posted:Napacat-
There are plenty of missteps from both political parties to go around. But the need to have a public health bureau/ branch in govt, adequate preparation/ plan, response, and motivation for the coronavirus [which is my main focus of my posts here] was in 2019 and 2020. Failure of many levels then led to: denial, delay and ineffective testing and contact tracing plans, lack of federal support especially ventilators and PPE to states, no coherent economic policy for businesses that prolonged the pandemic [ vs success by Korea, Taiwan etc] Continued denial, deflection, and arrogance by some the DJT administration, and too many state govts fed into many of the general population to defy any subsequent reasonable policy [eg masking, vaccination], which continues to this day. The subsequent commander in chiefs childish disappearance from the White House for two months after the 2020 election led to further delay in vaccine distribution. Throw in 2021 deflection of "Election Result Validity", "Insurrection", "Russian Interference" and any rapid coherent plan was invariably stalled by these Congressional issues. In my view, handing over this medical disaster with the continued unwillingness of the radical right states, Congress, and antivax community on social media to help fix this, is where the blame of a 1 M death toll lies. It was inevitable, that given this lead time, the virus continues to impact everything and everyone.
Yes, and I don't want to spend too much time on other issues, but D bone head maneuvers in Afghanistan and at the Mexican border make me unhappy, as does the [imo] egregious dispersion of taxpayer funds to liars, cheats and scoundrels etc--- though trillions distributed wo oversight piss me off, but the latter started in 2020, so both administrations bear the burden there. Now, it's the vitriol and hypocrisy of the radical right wing which has taken over the R party that hurts me; Christian Reveling of 'my' Tribe and Hateful Violent Intolerance of all others; Fighting For Freedoms 'I' Like and Banning All Other Ones; Minimal Hands Off Governance but Electing Dictatorial Politicians and Justices.
As an aside, here in VA, the news is all about banning books, not just in libraries, but in stores and on line too. No, I don't think these books about gender are for kids to read, and think history should be vanilla facts with short comments of the multiple sides in conflicts, but complete lunacy has taken over. Pornography is far more graphic and readily available on internet sites , and critical race theory is not taught at the high school level even though the roots of history are often quite ugly. I read science, sports, and occasionally other missives, but I am looking forward to replacement books like "Getaways on the Public's Dime" by T"Cancun"Cruz; "Space Lasers and Porno Pizza" by MTG; "My Life w Teenagers" by M Gaetz; "I'm the real DJT Jr" by RDeSantis; and "It's my Constitution not Yours" by SAlito, and GinnyThomas.
Returning back to health issues, COVID joins the flu as an endemic lifetime risk with periodic epidemics. If orthopoxviruses [monkeypox, smallpox] return at large, no one will care about COVID. If states ban contraceptives next, encouraging bounty justice, the R party will lose massive numbers of women and young voters. And, if the health cost of inevitable climate variation affects food resources, well then...it's cellar diminishment time. Living thru the late 60's- early 70's seemed like a test. No, we are now in the real test.
Anyway, so yeah Napacat, our govt R and D, has sucked for quite some time, but it's now worse w/r to health care than it's ever been... in my lifetime.
Drtanin,
Thanks for the lengthy post. A lot to decipher here and I cannot do it at the moment. Other than to say this is a pretty sore society. Why don 't we want the best for the American people or the country as a whole. We are destroying ourselves.
Surely the current admin's policies are not the best. Nothing makes sense. It's depressing and sad.
Have a wonderful Holiday weekend.
Dr. Tannin:
Is it true that the chances of a non-vaccinated person contracting the virus when hanging out with an infected person are greater than the chances of a vaccinated person getting infected when exposed to an infected person?
I have a colleague who has suggested we have lunch. He is not vaccinated, and is proud of that, and has had the virus, and feels that he is superimmune. I have suggested a virtual lunch. I have no desire to sit across a lunch table with this guy. Am I being ridiculous?
Not at all. You are being prudent and showing a concern for those near and dear to you.
@irwin posted:I have a colleague who has suggested we have lunch. He is not vaccinated, and is proud of that, and has had the virus, and feels that he is superimmune. I have suggested a virtual lunch. I have no desire to sit across a lunch table with this guy. Am I being ridiculous?
Yes. Go meet with him. It’s the only way you can kick him in the junk for being a dangerous idiot.
@bman posted:Isn't a home office working from home?
Home office being the headquarters of the corporation. Christ….think a bit.
@patespo1 posted:This is the third time that I have heard from the far right crowd that the Biden administration is intentionally trying to damage our country, as it is the only explanation for his policies. I wonder if it is Tucker or Laura that is spouting these theories as they seem to be spreading. Kind of like the Replacement Theory bullshit.
Do you think it is going well?
@drtannin 2 posted:Napacat-
There are plenty of missteps from both political parties to go around. But the need to have a public health bureau/ branch in govt, adequate preparation/ plan, response, and motivation for the coronavirus [which is my main focus of my posts here] was in 2019 and 2020. Failure of many levels then led to: denial, delay and ineffective testing and contact tracing plans, lack of federal support especially ventilators and PPE to states, no coherent economic policy for businesses that prolonged the pandemic [ vs success by Korea, Taiwan etc] Continued denial, deflection, and arrogance by some the DJT administration, and too many state govts fed into many of the general population to defy any subsequent reasonable policy [eg masking, vaccination], which continues to this day. The subsequent commander in chiefs childish disappearance from the White House for two months after the 2020 election led to further delay in vaccine distribution. Throw in 2021 deflection of "Election Result Validity", "Insurrection", "Russian Interference" and any rapid coherent plan was invariably stalled by these Congressional issues. In my view, handing over this medical disaster with the continued unwillingness of the radical right states, Congress, and antivax community on social media to help fix this, is where the blame of a 1 M death toll lies. It was inevitable, that given this lead time, the virus continues to impact everything and everyone.
Yes, and I don't want to spend too much time on other issues, but D bone head maneuvers in Afghanistan and at the Mexican border make me unhappy, as does the [imo] egregious dispersion of taxpayer funds to liars, cheats and scoundrels etc--- though trillions distributed wo oversight piss me off, but the latter started in 2020, so both administrations bear the burden there. Now, it's the vitriol and hypocrisy of the radical right wing which has taken over the R party that hurts me; Christian Reveling of 'my' Tribe and Hateful Violent Intolerance of all others; Fighting For Freedoms 'I' Like and Banning All Other Ones; Minimal Hands Off Governance but Electing Dictatorial Politicians and Justices.
As an aside, here in VA, the news is all about banning books, not just in libraries, but in stores and on line too. No, I don't think these books about gender are for kids to read, and think history should be vanilla facts with short comments of the multiple sides in conflicts, but complete lunacy has taken over. Pornography is far more graphic and readily available on internet sites , and critical race theory is not taught at the high school level even though the roots of history are often quite ugly. I read science, sports, and occasionally other missives, but I am looking forward to replacement books like "Getaways on the Public's Dime" by T"Cancun"Cruz; "Space Lasers and Porno Pizza" by MTG; "My Life w Teenagers" by M Gaetz; "I'm the real DJT Jr" by RDeSantis; and "It's my Constitution not Yours" by SAlito, and GinnyThomas.
Returning back to health issues, COVID joins the flu as an endemic lifetime risk with periodic epidemics. If orthopoxviruses [monkeypox, smallpox] return at large, no one will care about COVID. If states ban contraceptives next, encouraging bounty justice, the R party will lose massive numbers of women and young voters. And, if the health cost of inevitable climate variation affects food resources, well then...it's cellar diminishment time. Living thru the late 60's- early 70's seemed like a test. No, we are now in the real test.
Anyway, so yeah Napacat, our govt R and D, has sucked for quite some time, but it's now worse w/r to health care than it's ever been... in my lifetime.
I can agree with a lot here…not all. Thanks for the reply. I do find it odd that you have to have a negative test to fly back to the US, but the Southern border is wide open. That just leads me to think there is a lack of seriousness at all about COVID.
@bman posted:You must be very old because these days, home office is an office at home. But I'm old too, so I get it.....
Understood. Great that Musk is making his executives go back to the office for a minimum of 40 Hours a week…or leave. WELL DONE Elon.
@napacat posted:Great that Musk is making his executives go back to the office for a minimum of 40 Hours a week…or leave. WELL DONE Elon.
Why is that great? Something wrong with remote work? Some seem to think it's something new but it's been happening for years, just more people doing it now than before the pandemic. And many studies have shown it to lead to higher productivity and fewer staffing issues. It worked well in my former place of work.
I was a contractor for many years. At home or on road. Never saw the office! Worked for them and for me
@bman posted:Why is that great? Something wrong with remote work? Some seem to think it's something new but it's been happening for years, just more people doing it now than before the pandemic. And many studies have shown it to lead to higher productivity and fewer staffing issues. It worked well in my former place of work.
There is a lot less of random interaction with intelligent people while working remote. A lot of great ideas come from being in person with others in the office. And I am very skeptical of any study that says people are more productive while working from home.
@napacat posted:There is a lot less of random interaction with intelligent people while working remote. A lot of great ideas come from being in person with others in the office. And I am very skeptical of any study that says people are more productive while working from home.
It depends on the nature of the work. My daughter and son-in-law both work for consulting companies and have worked largely at home for several years, even before COVID. When they did work away from home, it was to travel to clients, not to go to the office. In fact, neither has an office as such; rather, there are shared workplaces in the building that they can use if in-person interactions are needed or preferred. On the other hand, those of us in academia, the sciences, engineering, etc. strongly value in-person interactions, meetings, etc. for just the reasons you state (not just "random," thought, but with intention). So, there is no right or wrong. Here is a link to a podcast (with further links to the original article) from a recent study in Nature.
@napacat posted:There is a lot less of random interaction with intelligent people while working remote. A lot of great ideas come from being in person with others in the office. And I am very skeptical of any study that says people are more productive while working from home.
For our business (sales to steel industry) there is a lot of collaboration that happens at the office. Also, since we are a small company (18 ppl) there is a lot of decision making that happens quickly and in person.
That said, I have also given my employees one day a week of work at home. I realized during the height of Covid when my people were working at home that production didn’t drop, and from a mental health aspect there were definite benefits of working at home, such as the ability to multitask with work/home duties, getting a break from other co workers, not having to ‘dress up’ for work, etc .
I think the correct answer is what fits each company best
@napacat posted:Do you think it is going well?
our issue is folks who don't actually don't understand the issues and just sticking with herd mentality. It leads to us having by far one of the oldest heads of state, oldest heads of each parts of our governemnt.
Mitch 80, Pelosi 79, Biden 79, Schumer 71, Trump 75.
They are now almost 5 generations removed from the incoming population that they are suppose to consider helping.
So no, I don't think it's going well. No Trump isnt the answer and it's going to be even more of a shit show since I'm not rich enough to take advantage of most of trump's then policies (which did add the most ever to our national debt, so if you ever want to ask what might have started this inflation thing)
We need new leadership that is indicative of the changing population and we certainly need a smarter electorate that speaks in nuances and not "left/right" as most of us actually aren't this made up concept of left or right
Term Limits would help in 3 of the 5 suggested.
Jefferson said folks should do some civic duty, and go home
@napacat posted:There is a lot less of random interaction with intelligent people while working remote. A lot of great ideas come from being in person with others in the office. And I am very skeptical of any study that says people are more productive while working from home.
Also a lot fewer random or planned interactions with stupid people and/or time sucks. Also don't have to spend 1.5 hours a day commuting to sit in front of a computer and attend meetings that accomplish nothing as Teams accomplishes the same goal and achieves the same results. I'll never go back to the office full time.
Irwin- If someone is not infectious, their vaccination status doesn't matter to you. Like meeting someone who is well. If a third party is infectious, then everyone is exposed similarly by the virus. However, the unvaccinated colleague is more likely to contract illness from the virus, and far more likely to need hospitalization or die, or persistent disability with long COVID if they do. Natural immunity is not the way to go for several reasons:1- individual responses vary a lot...some not so effective [since many get sick, hospitalized, die, or long COVID in the process just to get this immunity], others less effective and wearing off in same 4-6 month interval, some hyper responses that are great. The problem is you don't know what group you belong to eg an asymptomatic person who contracted COVID doesn't necessarily have 'better' immunity. This is why vaccinations became part of successful public health policy---controlled doses of unharmful attenuated virus to now harmless viral mimicking mRNA strands, which causes none of those bad responses, but also suffers from temporary responses. As the virus mutates, both natural and vaccine mediated immunity suffer, since the organism has different antigens. This is why people get colds or flus on a regular basis, and why our flu vaccines change depending on prevailing strains in Southern Hemisphere. So you are safe with this guy...to kick him in the balls, for being a dumbs hit homo ignoramus.
napacat- The policy of not testing illegals [if this is true] is illogical as is herding them together to spread virus amongst themselves and others. But I am ignorant about the events at the border.
In general, satiety has numbed us to the ongoing pandemic. Most of us are letting our guard down, accepting higher risks of illness and consequences. I think of it like moving to and living in a more dangerous neighborhood. Some think it is like living amongst zombies in the movie series "The Living Dead.". Other serious issues like right to choose and gun and book control are front and center. It's a lot to chew on, and we have to pick our stresses.
I am on wine buying hiatus. Prices are up, quality after 1999 down, and my bank account smaller since I recently retired, let alone presumably, my liver not functioning as well as when I was 20. At least the NY Mets are winning [even w/o Scherzer and deGrom], the youthful Rangers are giving Tampa all they can handle, and summer is here. Later
@csm posted:Also a lot fewer random or planned interactions with stupid people and/or time sucks.
Definitely the biggest benefit of when I was working from home. I was actually happy to go back in after nearly a year once myself, wife and mother got jabs. It’s easier dealing with quality issues in person. Added bonus is we got rid of a few useless persons in the last year.
@billhike posted:Definitely the biggest benefit of when I was working from home. I was actually happy to go back in after nearly a year once myself, wife and mother got jabs. It’s easier dealing with quality issues in person. Added bonus is we got rid of a few useless persons in the last year.
Have been in a few times since we've been allowed to come in sans masks, and I get next to nothing done. My job requires focus for extended periods of time and the constant interruptions are the opposite of conducive to accomplishing much.
Looks like the Novavax vaccine is going to win US emergency use authorization. It will offer a different type of vaccine for those people who didn't want to take the MRNA vaccines. And of course, it would increase the supply of available vaccines - not so much an issue here anymore, but perhaps abroad.
I wonder if there are still places in the world where people are still trying to get access to vaccines.
@Rothko posted:I wonder if there are still places in the world where people are still trying to get access to vaccines.
Majority of the Third World.
@arsenal4ever posted:
If you read the article, none of the explanations of why so many doses have been discarded seem to have anything to do with funding. Besides, if a third of Americans refuse to get the shot it's no surprise so many doses were wasted. Who would have thought so many Americans could be so afraid or deluded or just so stupid, especially compared to Australia, Canada and countries in Europe?
bman- Did you have to ask???? The sad part is people have been literally dying in most of the world just to have any vaccine.
And screw the Bruins. Go Rangers.
@drtannin 2 posted:bman- Did you have to ask???? And screw the Bruins. Go Rangers.
I felt that I did need to ask as it baffles me almost as much as the fact that anyone still thinks a certain former President whose name rhymes with "rump" should be anywhere but in prison.
And why so mean about the Bruins? I may stop cheering for the Rangers to win the Cup this year if you're gonna be like that!
bman- Just kidding about the Bruins; I did get your attention. Their fate is sealed by aging star veterans at the end of contracts. Tampa skirted rules two years ago to have Kucherov play, plus guys they picked up on his salary, holding him out until the playoffs though he was well. Should have lost [and were outplayed by Islanders]. So its Rangers all the way OR Avalanche if NY's line ends here
@drtannin 2 posted:bman- Just kidding about the Bruins; I did get your attention. Their fate is sealed by aging star veterans at the end of contracts. Tampa skirted rules two years ago to have Kucherov play, plus guys they picked up on his salary, holding him out until the playoffs though he was well. Should have lost [and were outplayed by Islanders]. So its Rangers all the way OR Avalanche if NY's line ends here
Tampa used the rules is more accurate, isn’t it? Teams have shuffled players in and out of the lineup since the hard cap was introduced. Kind of like taking tax breaks when allowed.
@haggis posted:It depends on the nature of the work. My daughter and son-in-law both work for consulting companies and have worked largely at home for several years, even before COVID. When they did work away from home, it was to travel to clients, not to go to the office. In fact, neither has an office as such; rather, there are shared workplaces in the building that they can use if in-person interactions are needed or preferred. On the other hand, those of us in academia, the sciences, engineering, etc. strongly value in-person interactions, meetings, etc. for just the reasons you state (not just "random," thought, but with intention). So, there is no right or wrong. Here is a link to a podcast (with further links to the original article) from a recent study in Nature.
Thanks for the link...
Canada finally dropping vaccination mandate for flights departing from Canada (irrespective of destination - not clear if mask mandate on flights will remain but I suspect it will) and for train travel within Canada.
I’ve been safer than everyone I know. Basically living like a hermit. Yet I got the damn thing. Just took my second dose of Paxlovid. Looking forward to this being over. (So far the symptoms are like a typical cold with some chest congestion.)
Sorry to hear, winetarelli. Today, Anthony Fauci tested positive, so you're in good company.
For the record, for anyone else… I tested negative on a rapid at home-antigen test. But I just had a gut feeling, even though the symptoms weren’t too bad, so I went and got the official PCR test, which was positive. My point is, if you think you might have it, don’t rely on at-home testing as definitive.
@winetarelli posted:For the record, for anyone else… I tested negative on a rapid at home-antigen test. But I just had a gut feeling, even though the symptoms weren’t too bad, so I went and got the official PCR test, which was positive. My point is, if you think you might have it, don’t rely on at-home testing as definitive.
Sorry to hear…but a question, I presume you are vaccinated and boosted…why would you have to take Paxlovid?
Have a speedy recovery.
@napacat posted:Sorry to hear…but a question, I presume you are vaccinated and boosted…why would you have to take Paxlovid?
Have a speedy recovery.
I qualify for it by CA standards and I’d prefer to get through this as quickly and painlessly as possible.
@billhike posted:Tampa used the rules is more accurate, isn’t it? Teams have shuffled players in and out of the lineup since the hard cap was introduced. Kind of like taking tax breaks when allowed.
Yes, but in 2020-21, the exemption they got for Kucherov's salary cap was in the regular season, that allowed them to replace him with two starters of equivalent total salaries. Kucherov was purposefully held out for at least 1 month of the regular season, then brought back in playoffs [via loophole that allowed Kucherov to play too ven if team way over cap]. Without Kucherov [and those other players] in playoffs, they likely would not have beaten the Islanders. It's spilt milk, yes, and the rules have been revised to prevent this from happening again. But maybe reverse fortune will come to TB. Even though they lost their 3rd best player in Edmonton series [Kadri], I'm hoping the Colorado Avalanche hoist the cup in 2021-2022. After the 1st week of the season, COL had the best record in NHL, best balance O/D/G, and it wasn't particularly close.