Child abuse? You can have a different opinion about these things but I believe that accusing a fellow forum member of committing a crime is quite inappropriate.
I think, napacat, you owe bman an apology
@irwin posted:Child abuse? You can have a different opinion about these things but I believe that accusing a fellow forum member of committing a crime is quite inappropriate.
I think, napacat, you owe bman an apology
The asinine comment was directed at Patespo. Bman simply (and correctly) called out CHoaD (Chief of all Dumbasses) as the brainless fecal stain he is.
Fortunately in the interest of public safety, the government or states or business can mandate vaccinations. Life would be very different if two thirds of humans didn't exist or had morbidities because of smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, dipthteria, hepatitis, rotavirus, varicella-zoster, tetanus, humanpapilloma, influenza, dengue. Or bacterial vaccines-pneumococcus, hemophilus, meningococcus. Let's hope the next pandemic isn't ebola, marburg, rabies, hanta.
China and the previous administrations denial of virus/failure public health policy were factors getting us to 2021. Scientists in China decoded coronas genome, and scientists at many pharmaceutical companies produced effective vaccines. These were preferentially available to the richest countries. In 2021, however, the uneducated self acclaimed prophets, the malevolent including self serving politicians, and the unvaccinated are currently to blame for the series of persisting events including: loss of morale, shuttering of care, massive costs related to health care, let alone stultifying difficulties in streamlining the economy, etc. We can only hope for Darwinism to take it's course to the logical end and sane human behavior reclaim our lives.
@drtannin 2 posted:Fortunately for public safety, the government or states or business can mandate vaccinations. Life would be very different if two thirds of humans didn't exist or had morbidities because of smallpox, polio, mumps, measles, rubella, dipthteria, hepatitis, rotavirus, varicella-zoster, tetanus, humanpapilloma, influenza, dengue. Let's hope the next pandemic isn't ebola, marburg, rabies, hanta. China and the previous administrations denial of virus/failure public health policy were factors getting us to 2021. The unvaccinated are currently to blame for the series of persisting events including: massive costs related to health care, economic sanctions, etc. We can only hope for Darwinism to take it's course to the logical end.
Previous administration's denial of virus begat millions of unvaccinated begat....
-hundreds of thousands of needless deaths
-millions of needless infections leading to hundreds of thousands of long Covid aftereffects
-millions of delayed medical procedures and denials of medical services leading to millions of negative health outcomes
-pretty much the whole world wondering how on earth such things could happen in the USA (answer? - see my first comment above).
@billhike posted:Your mom not aborting you was an act of terrorism.
The latest trend for those "forced' to get a vax, is to inject themselves with epsom salts to "detox" the vax.
@g-man posted:The latest trend for those "forced' to get a vax, is to inject themselves with epsom salts to "detox" the vax.
I'm all for it. Have at it.
@billhike posted:The asinine comment was directed at Patespo. Bman simply (and correctly) called out CHoaD (Chief of all Dumbasses) as the brainless fecal stain he is.
I don’t see how parents are so willing to inject their child with a vaccine that has no long term studies for a disease / virus with a 99.9% survival rate (or greater) for healthy children. Makes no sense. Plenty of epidemiologists have said this as well. And I clearly stated that I hope his children have no underlying conditions.
Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything. A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
@napacat posted:A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
@napacat posted:Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything.
You stupidly accused a forum member with many friends here of child abuse, for taking steps he believes will keep his family safe. For making his own choice. In addition to being a complete moron who’s contributed nothing to this site, you’re also likely the biggest hypocrite posting here.
What kills me is why do you guys continue to feed this troll? That is the only thing he is after here. He makes his outlandish posts solely to get a response out of you guys. Ignore him. Never respond to him. He'll eventually bore and leave.
He does serve one purpose; he demonstrates the brain-dead thinking of Trumpers. It's very enlightening and frightening.
@napacat posted:I don’t see how parents are so willing to inject their child with a vaccine that has no long term studies for a disease / virus with a 99.9% survival rate (or greater) for healthy children. Makes no sense. Plenty of epidemiologists have said this as well. And I clearly stated that I hope his children have no underlying conditions.
Why are most here so opposed to a differing opinion? Really sad when you cannot discuss anything. A healthy child absolutely does not need to be injected with any vaccine.
For the record, since the attack was towards me, your slander has no relevance in my world. You've proven yourself time and time again to not only be a fool, but also an asshole.
There are plenty of people here who I know personally and their opinions do matter, fortunately you are not one of them.
That said, if you ever find yourself near Ohio and want to call me a child abuser personally, please eat solid food ahead of time, because it won't be an option after we meet. Until then, fuck off.
So maybe we dodged our next pandemic? A worker cleaning out a freezer at a Merck vaccine facility found multiple vials labeled as "Smallpox". They've all been turned over to the CDC.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/via...lphia-003127682.html
As you may know, smallpox was eradicated in the 1970's and the only two known remaining existing samples are at the CDC, and in Russia. A smallpox outbreak would be particularly bad, given that only older people have gotten the smallpox vaccine when they were kids.
@Rothko posted:Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
Rothko, you are correct. The disease is hardly as benign for kids as simple life or death numbers suggest. SIRS is a separate more fatal COVID related entity. Myocarditis similarly. Long term sequelae starting at age 10 are truly long temporally with concomitant emotional and financial costs. But even that single person impact view is simplistic if not short sighted. Children are the biggest spreaders of viral disease, by their erratic instinctual behaviors which rarely include thoughts of how to observe public health directives, like coughing wo covering, wiping secretions, etc. Disease spread minimization is critical to stopping any infection let alone a pandemic, as well as keeping mom and dad healthy and able to work, not infecting a friend’s family, or saving grandma, or a sick neighbor, and thereby keeping the health care system smooth and available for others; and indirectly Lowering economic costs, keeping businesses open and Americans employed. Further - childhood vaccines are necessary. Smallpox and polio are obvious Mumps in kids is often mild, not so in adults. Rubella and CMV can cause severe intracranial injury in pregnant mothers. Hepatitis often leads in the long term to hepatocellular carcinoma, the worlds 5th leading cause of cancer deaths. The final word on coronavirus effects is not in, but using the more benign influenza as template, there are plenty of indirect morbidity sequelae. And COVID has far more effects on multiple systems. I am bemused at how so few people understand more than grade school science and can’t think critically out of absurd conspiracy idiocy or read the history of vaccines and why vaccines are given. I am saddened by how people can’t look past THEIR selves to see how good public health in the general welfare is better for everyone.
i'd shudder at the idea that my kids would have to live with life long asthma, loss of taste, enlarged heart, scarred lungs while idiots talk about "at least they're alive"
way to go to the lowest denominator much like most of trump voters.
@billhike posted:Your mom not aborting you was an act of terrorism.
Brilliant post
@Rothko posted:Truly, truly, this has to be one of the most stupid things I have ever read.
Under your premise, no child would be vaccinated against measles, mumps, polio or all the other hosts of diseases that have been prevented by widespread vaccination.
And by the way, Covid is in the top 10 leading causes of death for children in the US.
Not true at all. Polio is far worse for children than Covid. Just look at the science! I have spoken to multiple doctors this past week and all have said it’s a bit crazy to give a 5-11 year old a Covid vaccine (unless there are co-morbidities). But carry on.
@napacat posted:Not true at all. Polio is far worse for children than Covid. Just look at the science! I have spoken to multiple doctors this past week and all have said it’s a bit crazy to give a 5-11 year old a Covid vaccine (unless there are co-morbidities). But carry on.
Coronavirus is similar to measles in morbidity/ mortality ( low) and transmissibility (high). The vaccine benefit to risk for kids is not high for either virus, but has a public health value since kids don’t live in a bubble by themselves. Getting a free vaccine was no big deal in 1961 and shouldn’t be in 2021. Fear is defeated by education. But now, the residual antivax myopia is stunning. So maybe I need to understand. Does 25% of the US just not give a damn about the other 75%?
@drtannin 2 posted:Does 25% of the US just not give a damn about the other 75%?
funny that in the past it was typically 2% of the US population (ie those with enough money to complain how everyone else is on welfare)
to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes.
so yea, I'd say 25% sounds about right.
and I love when someone so ignorant that they think making online random statements like "talking to alot of doctors" or "just look at the science" somehow equates to the same thing as actually linking controlled studies about the actual science behind such advice given by public health officials. But then why ask, I'd be linked to some random breibart type website that self references other breibart type websites that all don't have any actual science involved.
My how the english language has been bastardized to allow for such loose definition of words that they can be ambiguous.
I love how the ministry of truth has certainly done its number on a large segment of the US population.
@drtannin 2 posted:Coronavirus is similar to measles in morbidity/ mortality ( low) and transmissibility (high). The vaccine benefit to risk for kids is not high for either virus, but has a public health value since kids don’t live in a bubble by themselves.
i mean, sucks to have your kid be the one with life long issues just because you didn't want a vaccine though right?
i get rolling the dice, but denying any sort of vaccination can hardly be called an "informed decision" considering the efficacy and actual science behind individuals being vaccinated. This on top of the "do you care about your other fellow human" convo.
"...to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes."
It is the case that about 45-50% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. And it is also the case that 60% think their taxes are too high. That means some people who don't pay any taxes think they are paying too much.
@irwin posted:"...to the talking points in 2016 where 50% of folks don't pay taxes."
It is the case that about 45-50% of Americans don't pay federal income tax. And it is also the case that 60% think their taxes are too high. That means some people who don't pay any taxes think they are paying too much.
coughcoughpublicunionscoughcough
Good old Florida once again in the news for Covid:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sev...tract-174049678.html
At least seven doctors who attended an anti-vaccine summit in Florida wind up contracting Covid after attending.
extolling the virtues of ivermectin at an equestrian centre. the jokes write themselves sometimes.
Rothko and csm. You have me LMAO. Truth is so much better than fiction
@drtannin 2 posted:Rothko and csm. You have me LMAO. Truth is so much better than fiction
And the guy referenced Boros is a local doctor in Key West
He is not reflective of others in town but . . .
In Maryland, 99.9% of "seniors" have received at least one shot. 88.2% of all adults have. Roughly 900,000 booster shots have been administered.
I wonder how many more people would be dead now if there were no vaccinations.
Autocorrect changes Omicron to 'Opinion'. Coincidence?
Omicron: Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in.
Omicron? Is he the Irish version of the French prime minister?
Another anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ant...arcus-224434365.html
These folks are certainly steadfast in their belief in God's power of healing. Personally, I'm a fan of God, but I am a bigger fan of science.
@irwin posted:Another anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. https://www.yahoo.com/news/ant...arcus-224434365.html
These folks are certainly steadfast in their belief in God's power of healing. Personally, I'm a fan of God, but I am a bigger fan of science.
No-click summary: "Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said."
@The Old Man posted:No-click summary: "Marcus Lamb, a co-founder and the CEO of the conservative Christian Daystar Television Network who vocally opposed Covid-19 vaccines, has died at 64, weeks after he contracted Covid-19, the network said."
I feel about the unvaccinated as I do about seatbeltless drivers. It's Darwinism.
I feel about the unvaccinated who choose that path w/o medical reason [anaphlaxis etc] who vocal spread their nonscientific vitriol to others as I do about speeding beltless drivers sticking their middle finger out at us before the accident. Good riddance.
@drtannin 2 posted:I feel about the unvaccinated as I do about seatbeltless drivers. It's Darwinism.
I feel about the unvaccinated who choose that path w/o medical reason [anaphlaxis etc] who vocal spread their nonscientific vitriol to others as I do about speeding beltless drivers sticking their middle finger out at us before the accident. Good riddance.
ooh but if you handle their food without gloves, watch out!