https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...AMKQgC?ocid=msedgntp
Glad the CDC finally released the reason why, and one that was already talked about for the past 2 months.
My daughter's roommate (both 3rd yr med students) just tested positive for COVID having had the Pfizer vaccine. Living a block away (also in Tampa) my SIL's niece just got it as well with the J&J vaccine. Imagine it is the Delta variant and shows how easy it is to get breakthrough infections. Time to go back to masks in public, regardless of local or state requirements.
@vinole posted:My daughter's roommate (both 3rd yr med students) just tested positive for COVID having had the Pfizer vaccine. Living a block away (also in Tampa) my SIL's niece just got it as well with the J&J vaccine. Imagine it is the Delta variant and shows how easy it is to get breakthrough infections. Time to go back to masks in public, regardless of local or state requirements.
Good luck with that, with Governor Trump-lite and his lack-of-virtue-signaling leading the state!
Florida is in big trouble. See, https://www.yahoo.com/news/flo...covid-235627800.html
Meanwhile, about 77% of Marylanders over 18 have received the vaccinations. We need to keep going on this.
"Rep. Ralph Norman, one of the three congressional Republicans suing Speaker Nancy Pelosi over fines for not wearing masks during a vote on the U.S. House floor, has contracted a breakthrough case of COVID-19, the second member of South Carolina’s delegation to do so."
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.
Maryland’s governor, Larry Hogan, has announced that all state employees must get vaccinated, with minimal exceptions. Hogan is an anti-trump Republican.
Well, look at the bright side, think of all the anti-vaxxers who'll be leaving the gene pool.
@jabe11 posted:Well, look at the bright side, think of all the anti-vaxxers who'll be leaving the gene pool.
I’ve had that thought. The highest percentage of unvaccinated people are Republicans in Florida, and Louisiana and Arkansas and Missouri. The delta variant is going to kill a number of these people. Some Democrats too. Black people are reluctant to get vaccines due to mistrust of the health care system.
if a bunch of people who are stupid die, it’s like a forest fire. It is bad for the forest in the short term but the forest comes back stronger.
heard today that in a few days there will be next to no hospital beds available in Florida and Louisiana.
Lest my comments be misinterpreted, I am not saying that all republicans are stupid or that all people In Louisiana are stupid I am saying that people who don’t want to be vaccinated are stupid
Florida is in bad shape: a new record of daily Covid cases (23,903), with 13,747 people in hospitals due to Covid, and 2,750 patients in intensive care.
What we are seeing in Florida is probably what would have happened if there had been no shut-down in the beginning and people just went along their merry way and continued to go to restaurants, bars, sporting events, etc.
"Queen’s Brian May Calls Anti-Vaxxers, Including Eric Clapton, ‘Fruitcakes’"
Never liked the music but I do regularly read May's occasional articles in Astronomy magazine. He's been involved with science during his entire music career.
@Rothko posted:Florida is in bad shape: a new record of daily Covid cases (23,903), with 13,747 people in hospitals due to Covid, and 2,750 patients in intensive care.
What we are seeing in Florida is probably what would have happened if there had been no shut-down in the beginning and people just went along their merry way and continued to go to restaurants, bars, sporting events, etc.
And as long as Governor Idiot continues his idiotic ways, it's gonna get waaaaaay worse. Also in states with other idiot governors.
People are coining the term "COVID Rage" for the increasing intolerance for the unvaccinated. The vast majority of the spread and continued costs of COVID are theirs to blame. Mandates for vaccination are coming. These are legal, given Supreme Court precedent, for all states that wish to implement, and as already are required for federal employees, including just hours ago today for all military personnel. When the FDA approves PFE mRNA for general use, the rage gates will open widely. Several companies including already MSFT, will generate a mandate wave. No vaccine, no entry to offices, and maybe no job, or status or pay raise. Tomorrow? More companies, smaller and mid size ones. School attending kids must now get vaccines to attend public school eg MMR,DPT, but I suspect add COVID to that list in 1 month. Then, there's the "pariah factor". The COVID leper! Want to go to the wedding, or indoor wine tasting, fancy restaurant, travel from state to state, or globally? Submit proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID test, or you're out of luck---see you later. While the Fed can't mandate vaccination [only states can], they have another Ace in the Hole. Want govt subsidies, like farmer or church aid, Medicaid/Medicare/ Social Security and DIsability benefits? Better fall in line. Insurance companies may stop covering unvaccinated COVID patients. Some serious sh*t is coming if this gets any worse.
"If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."
@drtannin 2 posted:People are coining the term "COVID Rage" for the increasing intolerance for the unvaccinated. The vast majority of the spread and continued costs of COVID are theirs to blame. Mandates for vaccination are coming. These are legal, given Supreme Court precedent, for all states that wish to implement, and as already are required for federal employees, including just hours ago today for all military personnel. When the FDA approves PFE mRNA for general use, the rage gates will open widely. Several companies including already MSFT, will generate a mandate wave. No vaccine, no entry to offices, and maybe no job, or status or pay raise. Tomorrow? More companies, smaller and mid size ones. School attending kids must now get vaccines to attend public school eg MMR,DPT, but I suspect add COVID to that list in 1 month. Then, there's the "pariah factor". The COVID leper! Want to go to the wedding, or indoor wine tasting, fancy restaurant, travel from state to state, or globally? Submit proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID test, or you're out of luck---see you later. While the Fed can't mandate vaccination [only states can], they have another Ace in the Hole. Want govt subsidies, like farmer or church aid, Medicaid/Medicare/ Social Security and DIsability benefits? Better fall in line. Insurance companies may stop covering unvaccinated COVID patients. Some serious sh*t is coming if this gets any worse.
"If you aren't part of the solution, then you are part of the problem."
The mandate for federal funds you reference has been effectively used by the US Gov't in the area of transportation, where the feds have withheld funding unless a state requires seat belt use, or raises the drinking age to 21, and the like.
I sort of doubt that the US Gov't could deny social security payments to the unvaccinated, or Medicare. But, there are ways for the federal government to put the squeeze on states who do not require immunizations.
How do you enforce a vaccine mandate if all you have to do is show a paper card that says you've been vaccinated? I've heard that there is a thriving black market industry where you can get a fake vaccine card as easily as a fake ID.
We don't have a national electronic vaccine passport, and I don't see one coming any time soon. So right now, it's just that little card that has your name and says you were vaccinated. Not exactly foolproof evidence of vaccination.
@Rothko posted:How do you enforce a vaccine mandate if all you have to do is show a paper card that says you've been vaccinated? I've heard that there is a thriving black market industry where you can get a fake vaccine card as easily as a fake ID.
We don't have a national electronic vaccine passport, and I don't see one coming any time soon. So right now, it's just that little card that has your name and says you were vaccinated. Not exactly foolproof evidence of vaccination.
Just create a mist-delivery vaccine and carpet-bomb the US with it like napalm. F**k their feelings.
@Rothko posted:How do you enforce a vaccine mandate if all you have to do is show a paper card that says you've been vaccinated? I've heard that there is a thriving black market industry where you can get a fake vaccine card as easily as a fake ID.
First I don't believe they'll be a government mandate except for government employees and the military. They will certainly check. However, I believe we're going to get ahead of this by businesses requiring vaccination or negative test results. It will be great when the first major airline blinks and does this.
Now as to cheating, it will certainly occur. But notice that a number of states, CA included have digital ID cards. This will help weed out a bunch, if not all, of dummies in restaurants and small businesses. States that care will provide these IDs, the Trumpy states, not so much.
When you got a shot, and a card, your name was entered into a vaccine registry, with Lot # and maker. Twice in fact if you received a mRNA vaccine. States and some especially global/larger companies can check that registry; some surely will. I also presume the penalties for those selling fake cards and those caught using them will be quite severe. And the finger pointing will out them as well. Some evaders will succeed. But on the whole, it will be easier to just get a vaccine.
@drtannin 2 posted:When you got a shot, and a card, your name was entered into a vaccine registry, with Lot # and maker. Twice in fact if you received a mRNA vaccine. States and some especially global/larger companies can check that registry; some surely will. I also presume the penalties for those selling fake cards and those caught using them will be quite severe. And the finger pointing will out them as well. Some evaders will succeed. But on the whole, it will be easier to just get a vaccine.
Two Americans were fined $20,000 each for trying to enter Canada with fake vaccinations cards. They got off lucky as the maximum fine is $750,000.
We take this stuff seriously.
@irwin posted:... people who don’t want to be vaccinated are stupid.
Or afraid, or both. Ignorance and fear are close companions.
@bman posted:Two Americans were fined $20,000 each for trying to enter Canada with fake vaccinations cards. They got off lucky as the maximum fine is $750,000.
We take this stuff seriously.
Good on Canada! Just curious on how the fines are enforced. Were they not released back to the US before paying?
@bman posted:Two Americans were fined $20,000 each for trying to enter Canada with fake vaccinations cards. They got off lucky as the maximum fine is $750,000.
We take this stuff seriously.
They were Canadian citizens, returning from a trip to the U.S.
@javachip posted:They were Canadian citizens, returning from a trip to the U.S.
and the fine was in CAD not USD ... so that's like what 2$ USD?
United airlines requiring its employees to have vaccinations. In Maryland, a number of universities requiring students and staff to have vaccinations. Same with some hospitals and nursing homes.
An historical note on mandatory inoculations.......
https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech...lpoxinoculation.html
George Washington was a patriot.
@Rothko posted:How do you enforce a vaccine mandate if all you have to do is show a paper card that says you've been vaccinated? I've heard that there is a thriving black market industry where you can get a fake vaccine card as easily as a fake ID.
We don't have a national electronic vaccine passport, and I don't see one coming any time soon. So right now, it's just that little card that has your name and says you were vaccinated. Not exactly foolproof evidence of vaccination.
A few states and the EU have a APP that will verify your status, and can't be bought on the black market. Obviously, stupid Ron would never allow this APP in Flori-duh
https://www.local10.com/news/l...ce-sheer-exhaustion/
The State of Florida requests 300 ventilators from the Federal government due to increased hospitalizations for Covid. At the same time, our Governor a/k/a 2024 Presidential Candidate threatens school superintendents who want mask mandates.
Kids started back at schools today. Just wait for the Covid numbers in the next few weeks.
I love living in Florida.
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It is miserable here in SE Florida.
Broward county 4 dead teachers since Monday, three no vax. Classes start next week
Palm Beach county, Over 400 children and teachers tested positive. School only started Tuesday. About 60 Quarantined. And to top it off 6,200 parents have opted out of masks.
Add that, the cruise industry is now reporting Covid Cases, like 27 this week on Carnival. Don't think I will go on an incubator ship for a long time
Mini-rant, sorry:
The CDC needs to recommend boosters to everyone over 65 who got an mRNA jab -- but particularly a Pfizer jab -- more than 5 months ago, and recommend that people who took J&J get an mRNA vaccine. Then, a month later, everyone for whom it has been more than 4 months since the second jab should get a third. All of the evidence is that (1) a third jab, even if it isn't variant-specific, after 4 moths does a tremendous amount of good. (And this is probably particularly important for people who got the Pfizer jab which *appears* less effective at fighting the Delta variant). And then, when we have variant-specific jabs, let's get those in our arms as well.
I'm done waiting for anti-vaxxers and I'm done with masks and done with flattening the curve. I don't want to be holed up in my home and anxious anymore. We now have vaccines that will reduce our chances of getting even moderate (or worse) to COVID to nearly nill if we get boosters and then booster boosters. So, this can be an anti-vaxxer problem and the rest of us can resume our lives.
@winetarelli posted:Mini-rant, sorry:
The CDC needs to recommend boosters to everyone over 65 who got an mRNA jab -- but particularly a Pfizer jab -- more than 5 months ago, and recommend that people who took J&J get an mRNA vaccine. Then, a month later, everyone for whom it has been more than 4 months since the second jab should get a third. All of the evidence is that (1) a third jab, even if it isn't variant-specific, after 4 moths does a tremendous amount of good. (And this is probably particularly important for people who got the Pfizer jab which *appears* less effective at fighting the Delta variant). And then, when we have variant-specific jabs, let's get those in our arms as well.
I'm done waiting for anti-vaxxers and I'm done with masks and done with flattening the curve. I don't want to be holed up in my home and anxious anymore. We now have vaccines that will reduce our chances of getting even moderate (or worse) to COVID to nearly nill if we get boosters and then booster boosters. So, this can be an anti-vaxxer problem and the rest of us can resume our lives.
I agree with your mini-rant, but would add After children under 12 have the opportunity to be vaxxed. I realized there are some that are immunocompromised that won't ever be able to (like my friends' son) and that really sucks, I don't know the answer for that.
@patespo1 posted:I agree with your mini-rant, but would add After children under 12 have the opportunity to be vaxxed. I realized there are some that are immunocompromised that won't ever be able to (like my friends' son) and that really sucks, I don't know the answer for that.
The only solution for anyone in that situation is for the rest of society to do the right thing and get vaccinated. Beating this thing down is the only way.
As long as most of the world, or even a small percentage of the world remains unvaccinated, the virus will continue to mutate which may pose a threat even to the fully vaccinated. So yes, we in OECD countries should all be vaccinated but if we really want to return to life before Covid we need to ensure that the developing world is vaccinated too. Otherwise the next variant could make all our current vaccines pointless.
@patespo1 posted:I agree with your mini-rant, but would add After children under 12 have the opportunity to be vaxxed. I realized there are some that are immunocompromised that won't ever be able to (like my friends' son) and that really sucks, I don't know the answer for that.
+1
Totally on board with this.
"Most days during the coronavirus pandemic, Cardinal Raymond L. Burke could be found strolling down the streets of Rome maskless and carrying rosary beads. The 73-year-old conservative cardinal was an early critic of social distancing and, later, an unabashed skeptic of the vaccine.
Last Tuesday, Burke announced he had tested positive for the coronavirus. Now, the cardinal is in a hospital bed in his native Wisconsin, breathing with the help of a ventilator."
Ha ha.
News is reporting that the FDA is going to soon recommend boosters of Pfizer or Moderna for everyone at the 8 month mark. I don't think there will be quite the rush and panic for the booster as there was for the original vaccines. I suspect it will be more like the flu shot; people will get them when it is convenient for them to do so.
If you got your Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, you have a good solid level of immunity, even against the Delta variant, and it won't matter too much whether you get the booster at the 8 month, or 9 month, or 10 month mark.
Of course, that being said, I'll be getting mine as early as I can.
Texas Governor Abbott just tested positive for COVID. Guess he should've worn a mask.
Across the hall from me in my office building is another lawyer's office. He has three employees....a bookkeeper and two paralegal/secretaries. The bookkeeper refuses to get vaccinated, as does one of the other two. Well, the bookkeeper's 22 year old son has tested positive...he lives at home with his parents, so the bookkeeper and her husband have been tested and are awaiting results.
The lawyer who runs that office has now banned the bookkeeper from the office, pending the results of her test. In a rather remarkable display of chutzpah, the bookkeeper emailed him and wants to know if she will be paid during her absence from the office.
The one paralegal/secretary who won't get a vaccine is opposed to putting foreign substances in her body. Of course, she smokes cigarettes (which are clearly organic and healthful).
No shortage of morons.
And morons like to reproduce.