Yes, hoarders are selfish, but I believe it gives them a sense of control in an otherwise uncontrollable situation.   The march of the virus can't be stopped, but if you can stock up on toilet paper and hand sanitizers, you feel like you are accomplishing something.

I'm not condoning it.  I just understand the why...

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I actually think hoarders are the least of the TP issue.  Do you guys think buying 1 giant package or 2 at Costco is hoarding?  It’s just simple supply and demand.  In normal times, each household replenishes  their TP supply at different days of the month, allowing the store to buy more and restock the shelves.  What happens when ten thousand households in a 5 mile radius decide to replenish their TP at the same time?

I have no problem with hoarders.

I have a real problem with resellers, who flog some of these staples on eBay at 4 to 10 times what they paid for them.  Opportunistic pricks!

This has become especially prevalent around my area with surgical/hygenic masks-- my wife saw a guy leave Costco with 50 cases of them.

It’s the only way to stop this.  Not sure what everyone doesn’t understand about that.  Protecting the most vulnerable must be the priority and there is no way of knowing who is and not infected.  

Everyone needs to stay home and not socialize for 2-3 weeks and it will flatten out.  

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Thousands of people gathered at Disney World last night.  I’m guessing FLA cases will surge by the end of week.  Stock up folks.

irwin posted:

We've been back from our cruise since 3/1. No symptoms.  Don't worry...you can't catch anything from reading this.  Check out information on the 2009 Swine Flu epidemic on your internet. Pretty interesting to see how many people infected, died, etc., the response, how it compares, etc.

 

You realize you have still have it and be infectious without having any symptoms. That's what is crazy about this virus.

mimik posted:
irwin posted:

We've been back from our cruise since 3/1. No symptoms.  Don't worry...you can't catch anything from reading this.  Check out information on the 2009 Swine Flu epidemic on your internet. Pretty interesting to see how many people infected, died, etc., the response, how it compares, etc.

 

You realize you have still have it and be infectious without having any symptoms. That's what is crazy about this virus.

I'm not sure what you can learn from the Swine Flu. Its death rate was .02%. It appears Coronavirus is at least .1% perhaps higher.

Uncommon times for sure.

Personally, I cancelled a Vegas trip for my son's bachelor party. I know you are wondering why I was going but we were going to play Shadow Creek and eat at some high end restaurants before the other young guys were coming out (and I went home). I had my annual DC Legislative conference called, no biggie. The heartbreaking thing is a planned April 25th wedding for my son which will probably have to be moved. Also, a meeting in Switzerland in which I planned to visit Northern Italy is absolutely off even if not cancelled.

I am staying home as much as possible. I can work from home and the only thing I cannot do is meet which is obviously off the table. Currently, my business is like a hurricane or bad weather event, people stocking up from the grocery stores. Guessing a decrease in sales for the coming weeks.

With all of that, I still consider myself very fortunate. As for the naysayers criticizing every move made, no one politician is capable of managing an entire system to deal with this pandemic. History proves this. Designing a large system to distribute and execute is way harder than the average person thinks. Hopefully the lessons learned from this one will make the next one easier. Take care and stay safe.

 

 

Maryland restaurants, bars, theatres, gyms, schools, courts, and many other things closed. Many physicians are canceling non-emergency appointments and procedures.  Things are getting worse for sure.

scbeerman 

With all of that, I still consider myself very fortunate. As for the naysayers criticizing every move made, no one politician is capable of managing an entire system to deal with this pandemic. History proves this. Designing a large system to distribute and execute is way harder than the average person thinks. Hopefully the lessons learned from this one will make the next one easier. Take care and stay safe.

 

 

I hope you're not making some bizarre attempt at defending the Idiot in Chief by invoking a straw man argument. His thousands of lies in the last 3 years means he has no credibility now. His happy talk for the last month, while not accepting reality, has not been helpful and caused serious delays. His surrounding himself with sycophants and yes-men has also not helped the situation. He is simply reaping what he sowed and deserves all the scorn that gets heaped on him.

"No one could do this perfectly" used as an excuse for disbanding the nation's pandemic team, taking no responsibility, having a grotesquely incompetent testing system, lacking any federal instruction until it was basically too late, pretending it would all go away, repeatedly lying about the accessibility and timelines of tests, vaccines, and the like...

 

Sure, no one could get a 100% or even a 97%.  But that isn't an excuse for an utterly failing grade.

Canceled a ski trip to steamboat. VRBO refused to issue a refund for our condo at the instruction of the seller. Called AMEX and got them to do a charge back. Refund already credited. Never use VRBO. 

 

Gonna be a crappy next 4-8 weeks. Kids at home. Mom and and dads need to work. This is going to be messy. Expecting things everywhere to lockdown like SF just did. 

I try to use this forum as a happy place. It started with learning wine, and you guys taught me a lot, and then writing about my passions of college football and golf. I know that political discourse on forums will not change any opinions so I do not try.

That said, certainly mistakes were made and I am not excusing any elected official. I would make the same comment of the difficulty of establishing and executing a system no matter who is in office. The one thing that any elected official cannot accomplish is to alter human nature, or bluntly, cure stupidity. That is my final take on the matter.

 

scbeerman posted:

That said, certainly mistakes were made and I am not excusing any elected official. I would make the same comment of the difficulty of establishing and executing a system no matter who is in office. The one thing that any elected official cannot accomplish is to alter human nature, or bluntly, cure stupidity. That is my final take on the matter.

 

The one thing a stupid elected official (the nitwit in the WH) cannot accomplish is cure his own stupidity. Think how much time was wasted while he and Fox State News downplayed the seriousness of the virus.

As recently as last night, "The United States will be powerfully supporting those industries, like Airlines and others, that are particularly affected by the Chinese Virus." A soupcon of racism for his ignorant base. It must be killing him not to be able to have any of his (as Bill Maher called it) "Daddy needs some love" rallies.

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Bars closing in Key West at 5.  Restaurants -take out and delivery only after 5.  Sh**s about to get real.  

To date, zero confirmed cases in Florida Keys.  I am sure that will be changing shortly

At least our golf club was open and I could play a round.  I sure hope it stays open, its about the only thing that is allowed these days.  The clubhouse is limiting the number of people in the grill, so we couldn't get together after the round as normally we do.

The courses were fairly empty, we get a lot of people who travel and since no one is travelling, no one is playing.

Another hero of the Trump crowd, Devin Nunes yesterday, "There's a lot of concerns with the economy here, because people are scared to go out. But I will just say, one of the things you can do, if you're healthy, you and your family, it's a great time to just go out, go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in, get in easily. Let's not hurt the working people in this country that are relying on wages and tips to keep their small business going."

The Old Man posted:

Another hero of the Trump crowd, Devin Nunes yesterday, "There's a lot of concerns with the economy here, because people are scared to go out. But I will just say, one of the things you can do, if you're healthy, you and your family, it's a great time to just go out, go to a local restaurant, likely you can get in, get in easily. Let's not hurt the working people in this country that are relying on wages and tips to keep their small business going."

Blood is going to be on their hands. 

There are two ways to deal with this: vigorous, streamlined, high-volume testing; and universal near shelter-in-place  for non-essentials. Other countries managed to do the first and we failed at it. So we have to do the second and yet 🐮 boy Nunes and the rest of the R elites are screwing that one up, too. 

Well, the virus has made its way to my home town.  My local paper is reporting that a resident has tested positive for the coronavirus.

A curfew has been imposed from 9 pm to 6 am.  I expect restaurants to be shutting down soon.  

Our restaurants are all closed, other than for carryout or delivery. I got carryout from the local Chinese place I like, and left a big tip. They have perhaps 50 tables and are usually pretty full.  The women behind the counter all had masks.

 

 

Rothko posted:

Well, the virus has made its way to my home town.  My local paper is reporting that a resident has tested positive for the coronavirus.

A curfew has been imposed from 9 pm to 6 am.  I expect restaurants to be shutting down soon.  

Not sure I understand the need for a curfew if everything is shut down.

Canadian border is now shut down with the exception of goods coming/going to and from the US. In Montreal pretty much everything has been shut down for several days including bars and restaurants. Today they are cutting public transit which makes sense since few people are out anyway. Ski hills are closed.

You'll find me in my wine cellar.

Rothko posted:

Well, the virus has made its way to my home town.  My local paper is reporting that a resident has tested positive for the coronavirus.

A curfew has been imposed from 9 pm to 6 am.  I expect restaurants to be shutting down soon.  

We've had our first death here in Arlington, TX.  77 year old Masonic Lodge resident.

Today the Bigot in chief was asked why he keeps calling it the "China virus." As you might expect his answer was pathetic. Can you imagine him showing any concern about acts of violence against Asians being on the rise?

First death in Maryland. A guy in his 60's, said to have underlying medical conditions, whatever that means.  Meanwhile, our Republican governor, who didn't vote for Trump, was on MSNBC.  Check this out:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost...stake-070311672.html

Gov. Hogan has issued orders to prevent evictions during this crisis, to prevent utility companies from cutting off service, including phone and internet, for non-payment, and several other humanitarian things.  I hope he runs for President in 2024.

The pictures/interviews of spring breakers and the tourists in town who are acting as if there is nothing going on and this pandemic is an inconvenience to them - wow - not sure what even to say about that.

 

I would add that while I do not know the feasibility - they do mandatory evacuation of tourists from the Keys for hurricanes - I think this should be adopted now - get these buffoons out of here.

I see that the US has moved from 8th place to 6th place in terms of countries with the most cases - up over France and South Korea.

"USA is Number 1!! USA is Number 1!!"

jcocktosten posted:

The pictures/interviews of spring breakers and the tourists in town who are acting as if there is nothing going on and this pandemic is an inconvenience to them - wow - not sure what even to say about that.

 

Sterilize them.

thistlintom posted:

This is what we are getting with the education of these young people?

It’s almost as if they’ve heard people say we are overreacting, and that the flu kills way more people.

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