You want to talk about a douche bag. Rand Paul at today's Coronavirus Senate hearing, no mask and a bizarre attack on Dr. Fauci.
Well, according to the White House, we have "prevailed" against the virus. I'm so glad to hear that.
@The Old Man posted:You want to talk about a douche bag. Rand Paul at today's Coronavirus Senate hearing, no mask and a bizarre attack on Dr. Fauci.
Why do you speak as if you are an expert on everything? Dr. Fauci would keep us closed until 2021 or longer if he could. His job is that of an infectious disease expert. It is a Senator / Congressman / President to balance both the disease and the economy. We need to get this train moving again in a smart and safe way.
@napacat posted:Why do you speak as if you are an expert on everything? Dr. Fauci would keep us closed until 2021 or longer if he could. His job is that of an infectious disease expert. It is a Senator / Congressman / President to balance both the disease and the economy. We need to get this train moving again in a smart and safe way.
Wrong. Instead of a strong and UNITED response months ago to mitigating this pandemic, Putin’s Bitch and his merry band of dummies abdicated those responsibilities to governors.
@napacat posted:Why do you speak as if you are an expert on everything? Dr. Fauci would keep us closed until 2021 or longer if he could. His job is that of an infectious disease expert. It is a Senator / Congressman / President to balance both the disease and the economy. We need to get this train moving again in a smart and safe way.
I hate responding to you, you're such a poor debater and your thinking is so muddled like when you make hyperbolic statements such as, "Why do you speak as if you are an expert on everything?" So here we go.
I did not speak as an expert on ANYTHING in this thread. All I did was first state the truth, Rand Paul is a douchebag for not wearing a mask when everyone else of both parties is. And then this weird comment to Dr Fauci, which I quote in full.
"As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end-all," Paul said, adding, "We can listen to your advice, but there are people on the other side saying there's not going to be a surge."
Dr. Fauci is well aware that he's not the end-all. In addition he just gives his best advice based on his decades-long experience in this field. Of course it's the politicians who choose what policies to institute. This has always been true. The scientists who built the A-bomb did not have the final decision to drop it. They gave their input. In that case the president decided.
And your response? "Dr. Fauci would keep us closed until 2021 or longer if he could." To the best of my knowledge the doctor has not closed anything. Not a restaurant, not a school, not an amusement park, not anything I'm aware of. Dr. Fauci would recommend doing whatever he thinks is best for public safety. It's kind of what he does. But he has no enforcement power.
Fauci is just giving his advice. Perhaps if the president had listened to it, instead of delaying, attacking the press, and promoting quack medicine cures, his approval rating on his handling wouldn't be negative.
Obviously this is my last response to you on this point.
(Edited to take out the blah, blah of mine.)
@The Old Man posted:I hate responding to you, you're such a poor debater and your thinking is so muddled like when you make hyperbolic statements such as, "Why do you speak as if you are an expert on everything?" So here we go.
I did not speak as an expert on ANYTHING in this thread. All I did was first state the truth, Rand Paul is a douchebag for not wearing a mask when everyone else of both parties is. And then this weird comment to Dr Fauci, which I quote in full.
"As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end-all," Paul said, adding, "We can listen to your advice, but there are people on the other side saying there's not going to be a surge."
Dr. Fauci is well aware that he's not the end-all. In addition he just gives his best advice based on his decades-long experience in this field. Of course it's the politicians who choose what policies to institute. This has always been true. The scientists who built the A-bomb did not have the final decision to drop it. They gave their input. In that case the president decided.
And your response? "Dr. Fauci would keep us closed until 2021 or longer if he could." To the best of my knowledge the doctor has not closed anything. Not a restaurant, not a school, not an amusement park, not anything I'm aware of. Dr. Fauci would recommend doing whatever he thinks is best for public safety. It's kind of what he does. But he has no enforcement power.
Fauci is just giving his advice. Perhaps if the president had listened to it, instead of delaying, attacking the press, and promoting quack medicine cures, his approval rating on his handling wouldn't be negative.
Obviously this is my last response to you on this point.
(Edited to take out the blah, blah of mine.)
Nice catch...I forgot to include the word recommend with respect to Dr. Fauci.
Below is a Dr. Fauci timeline of his own statements and words. This is what he was telling the American people and the President. Possibly the President did listen.
January 21, 2020: Fauci claimed the coronavirus was “not a major threat to the people of the United States.”
“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Fauci said during an interview with Newsmax’s Greg Kelly.
February 26, 2020: Fauci said, “Travel restrictions become almost irrelevant because you can’t keep out the entire world.”
“When you have a pandemic that involves multiple countries, travel restrictions become almost irrelevant because you can’t keep out the entire world,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC News.
February 29, 2020: Fauci claimed there was no need for Americans to “change anything what you’re doing on a day-by-day basis” during an interview with the Today Show.
“Right now, at this moment, there is no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis,” Fauci said in response to a question about changing lifestyle habits. “Right now the risk is still low, but this could change.”
March 9, 2020: Well after concerns of the spread of the novel coronavirus had aroused, Fauci suggested that it was okay to take a trip on a cruise if you were a “healthy young person.”
“If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship,” Fauci told reporters at a White House briefing.
“But the fact is that if you have … an individual who has an underlying condition, particularly an elderly person who has an underlying condition, I would recommend strongly that they do not go on a cruise ship,” Fauci added.
March 9, 2020: Fauci said the decision to hold a campaign rally the next day would be a “good judgment” if it were held at a venue where there was no “community spread.”
“Not sure what we’re going to be able to say at the time where you have a campaign rally,” Fauci said in response to a question regarding political campaign rallies. “If you’re talking about a campaign rally tomorrow, in a place where there is no community spread, I think the judgment to have it might be a good judgment.”
“If you want to talk about large gatherings in a place where you have community spread, I think that’s a judgment call,” Fauci added. “And if someone decides they want to cancel it, I wouldn’t publicly criticize them.”
March 12, 2020: In contrast to his February 26 remarks, Fauci said that he believed certain travel restrictions have “absolutely” helped with the prevention of the spread of the coronavirus.
“I think it absolutely has,” Fauci said. “I believe if we did not do that with China early on …”
Fauci also called the travel restriction involving Europe a “prudent choice.”
April 11, 2020: Fauci claimed during an interview with Fox News’s Jesse Watters that it was “in January” when he believed that this was a problem Americans needed to worry about, which contrasts several of his previous remarks made that month and the months following, including his remarks on the Today Show in February.
Look them all up if you like. All 100% accurate.
DiBlasio telling everyone in NY to go about their daily lives. Pelosi in SF Chinatown saying this was not a threat...
You are all hypocrites. Nothing wrong with Rand Paul's statements yesterday at all.
Can't top musing about people injecting household cleaners. That's a guy we should listen to. And, oh yeah, he's the only one who has the power to actually make decisions. And he's clearly a buffoon.
@The Old Man posted:Can't top musing about people injecting household cleaners. That's a guy we should listen to. And, oh yeah, he's the only one who has the power to actually make decisions. And he's clearly a buffoon.
Nice reply Old Man...clearly avoiding the direct reference I made to Dr. Fauci and his conflicting responses early on and now. This is the hypocrisy and double standard of the left. If any of you had consistency and integrity...it would be refreshing. SAD
@napacat posted:Nice reply Old Man...clearly avoiding the direct reference I made to Dr. Fauci and his conflicting responses early on and now. This is the hypocrisy and double standard of the left. If any of you had consistency and integrity...it would be refreshing. SAD
God, I hate replying to you. (I know it's my own fault.)
Science is not definitive, nor dogmatic, that's for religion. Science is a moving arrow that is always trying to hit the target. Science does not say this is the absolute--that's why even as well understood phenomenons of nature like gravity and evolution are still referred to as theories. If a part of a theory is challenged, such as what's been occurring with theory of the Big Bang with new evidence for Dark Energy and Dark Matter, science does not stand firm and deny the new information. Instead it incorporates the data to make new theories and predictions which will hopefully move us to a closer understanding.
So now that we science 101 I guess your point is that Fauci's been acting like a scientist instead of the fabulist you adore ("It will disappear like magic.") He has been in charge of the of the NIAID since 1984. That's "ID" as in "infection diseases." One of his jobs is to advise the president, as he has with five administrations, but Democratic and Republican on...wait for it...infections diseases just like this one.
So science makes predictions based on best estimates, best available data (that's kind of a tough one since it's been almost two months since your hero lied and said, "Anyone who wants a test can get a test.") and the experience of the scientists involved. That's how it works, are you still with me? Science does the best it can, but it's the politicians who make the decisions.
Now am I going to take the time to address everyone of the sliced and diced talking points you've gotten from Fox "News" and "News"max and I'm sure your new fav OAN? Simply no. Do I think Facui is perfect in every way? I know no one who is. But, my feeling is, and I'm pretty sure polls show that most Americans' feelings are, that he's a man of integrity. It would be laughable to say the same thing of the president. But it's clear that your alternate facts buddies are on some destroy Facui mission to cover up the extreme incompetence of the Dear Leader. It's clear as day and it won't work.
Anyway I was thinking about what this all means for TV shows and film. This is a major event in every ones lives and it can't be glossed over. Also it's going to still be with us for some time. So film and TV will adapt. More will be shot outdoors, or in big studio buildings using less on set crews and whatever tasks can be done remotely. We will see movies with people wearing masks and social distancing and the strain that's been placed on hospitals, doctors and first responders will play out in them.
In decades when people think of the best shows and movies of 2020 and perhaps 2021 it will be of actors with masks and how well they incorporated a pandemic into their stories. Strange days indeed.
I wonder if napa actually read the actual transcript/listened to all the points he listed above.
Napacat, I'll just take your most recent one about Fauci because you don't seem to acutally goto the source on anything your claim and instead spew breibart and OAN propaganda.
In that Watters interview, he specifically states:
"[W]hen we finally did get the virus here, it [became] clear that when we started looking [at what] was going on, [that] was misinformation right from the beginning," Fauci told host Jesse Watters. "So whose ever fault that was, you know, we're gonna go back and take a look at that when this is all over. But clearly, it was not the right information that was given to us."
So he's reflecting that he gave recs based on the best available information there was.
To conclude what Fauci said:
"You know, I don't know where the missteps went. The only thing I know what the end result was that early on we did not get correct information and the incorrect information was propagated right from the beginning because, you know, when the first cases came out that were identified, I think on December 31 in China, and we became aware of this," Fauci said. "They said this was just animal to human, period. Now, we know retrospectively that there was ongoing transmission from human to human in China, probably at least a few weeks before then."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/...ndemic-watters-world
But somehow you took as
"April 11, 2020: Fauci claimed during an interview with Fox News’s Jesse Watters that it was “in January” when he believed that this was a problem Americans needed to worry about, which contrasts several of his previous remarks made that month and the months following, including his remarks on the Today Show in February."
???
Thanks for doing the heavy lifting gman, as I said sliced and diced talking points from right-wing media. Their purpose is the same as it's always been, to protect the president no matter what. These are the same people who continually played down the seriousness of the virus and then, as the numbers of deaths climbed into the tens of thousands, tried to get us to forget that it's what the president and they themselves did.
By the way you should read some of the comments that follow the article that you quoted. Shows what a bunch of loonies Fox News viewers are. Here's one from many, "It was dr fauci that is responsible. When he was the head of the NIH under the Obama administration. He sent the virus and the monies to China to experiment with! There is more to this story that if the MSM would investigate will shock you." The lamestream media never gets to the facts!
@g-man posted:I wonder if napa actually read the actual transcript/listened to all the points he listed above.
Napacat, I'll just take your most recent one about Fauci because you don't seem to acutally goto the source on anything your claim and instead spew breibart and OAN propaganda.
In that Watters interview, he specifically states:
"[W]hen we finally did get the virus here, it [became] clear that when we started looking [at what] was going on, [that] was misinformation right from the beginning," Fauci told host Jesse Watters. "So whose ever fault that was, you know, we're gonna go back and take a look at that when this is all over. But clearly, it was not the right information that was given to us."
So he's reflecting that he gave recs based on the best available information there was.
To conclude what Fauci said:"You know, I don't know where the missteps went. The only thing I know what the end result was that early on we did not get correct information and the incorrect information was propagated right from the beginning because, you know, when the first cases came out that were identified, I think on December 31 in China, and we became aware of this," Fauci said. "They said this was just animal to human, period. Now, we know retrospectively that there was ongoing transmission from human to human in China, probably at least a few weeks before then."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/...ndemic-watters-world
But somehow you took as
"April 11, 2020: Fauci claimed during an interview with Fox News’s Jesse Watters that it was “in January” when he believed that this was a problem Americans needed to worry about, which contrasts several of his previous remarks made that month and the months following, including his remarks on the Today Show in February."???
G-man...never once been to Breitbart news or the OAN network. I think we are saying the same thing...and I am looping in my reply to TOM on this as well.
You are willing to give Dr. Fauci the benefit to adapt with times to things we learn (which is more than reasonable), as you cannot / possibly would not make the same decision with newly gained information over time.
Yet you will not do the same thing for the President. Trump knows nothing about infectious diseases...and I am sure from early on he was listening to the Dr.'s say this is a relatively low risk to the American people. A case or two from China...that will quickly be under control. No human to human spread. Fauci was wrong at the time...extrapolate that to Trump and that is most likely the same reason he responded as he did.
If Obama were in office now and handled this in the exact same manner, I would not be blaming him. This in no means is a one person response team.
The double standard is what is most annoying. I don't see much reporting on the NY State MANDATE to have nursing homes accept COVID positive patients who were discharged from Hospitals and may still be contagious. BRILLIANT.
@napacat posted:
Yet you will not do the same thing [give him the benefit of the doubt] for the President. Trump knows nothing about infectious diseases.
Because he's a pathological liar. Because he claimed, "I really get this stuff." Because he pushed unproven drug treatments. Because he apparently thought ingesting household cleaners would be beneficial. Because he's claimed about every ill we have "I alone can fix it." Because over two months ago he said, "Anyone who wants a test can get a test" (not true then, not true now.) Because he wasted TV time, that was supposed to be for updates on the virus, to make unhinged attacks against the press and anyone else who disagreed with him. Because he actually thinks he's the Messiah or the second coming of Jesus, "I'm the Chosen One." Because he engaged in magical thinking, "One day it will just vanish." Dr. Fauci did none of these things and that's why more Americans believe him and not Trump. And finally it's because the current attacks by the president, his sycophants and state news media are clearly designed to give cover for the president's ineptitude in handling this crisis.
As for where you get you news, between Fox News and the Washington Sentinel (whatever that is) I think you're missing a lot of facts.
Why do folks keeping copying a whole thought, VS just answering it? Maybe cntrl C and cntrl V are too easy. 
The deflection and whataboutism is way to strong for you napacat.
I am perfectly fine calling Cuomo out for doing a shitty job. I happen to live in NY for the better part of 4 decades and I have never liked Cuomo even from his HUD days. Honest reflection of Cuomo is that he was definitely late to the game, but when he was onboard he might have been a little overboard in his prep, but at the end, the total CV19 counts in NY today have finally started decreased. A successful slow the spread effort. I believe probably one of only 2 states able to have the curve go the right way today. I'd go as far to say that NY should now be restricting travel in from other states least we restart this vicious cycle.
Anyhow, I find for most folks, the world isn't a binary argument. It's like getting diseases, if you get syphillis you can get gonorrhea too. It's not an either or.
Btw, alot of local news here have published about NY and Cali's decisions to send Covid recovered patients back to nursing homes, so, just because you don't look for the news, doesn't mean it's not being reported locally.
@flwino posted:Why do folks keeping copying a whole thought, VS just answering it? Maybe cntrl C and cntrl V are too easy.
funny thing. napa acutally does do the ctl c ctl v
https://americanpriority.com/n...-coronavirus-threat/
unless he happens to own said website and he's just trying to cross promote his website. then everythign he says will make alot more sense to me.
Good call. I knew he was getting his drivel from somewhere I just didn't know where. First the Washington Sentinel and now American Priority. Fortunately I never heard of either of these fountains of truth, but at least they're not the lamestream media that's trying to bring down the president by actually quoting him and showing him speaking his own words. I hate when they do that.
Toronto FINALLY opening some streets to bike and pedestrian traffic so we can spread out a little. A huge improvement from last weekend, when cops were guarding every entrance to a local park tp keep out any vile miscreants thinking about sneaking in to look at the cherry blossoms.
@vint posted:Toronto FINALLY opening some streets to bike and pedestrian traffic so we can spread out a little. A huge improvement from last weekend, when cops were guarding every entrance to a local park tp keep out any vile miscreants thinking about sneaking in to look at the cherry blossoms.
Yes it's been annoying in NY like that.
I get if folks are really grouping and congregating but if it's one offs of neighbors and we're all staying far apart, do you really need to give your fellow citizens a summons?
@flwino posted:Why do folks keeping copying a whole thought, VS just answering it? Maybe cntrl C and cntrl V are too easy.
I thought you were to reply with quote when responding to someone? Not correct?
@g-man posted:funny thing. napa acutally does do the ctl c ctl v
https://americanpriority.com/n...-coronavirus-threat/
unless he happens to own said website and he's just trying to cross promote his website. then everythign he says will make alot more sense to me.
Nice try...never heard of American Priority. Know nothing about it. Regardless of where it was copied or pasted from...those are his words. But all of you in your last group of replies ignore his words and what he said. Speaks volumes!
I'm not condoning it. I just understand the why...
@napacat posted:I thought you were to reply with quote when responding to someone? Not correct?
Yes, but you can, and should for clarity, reduce it to the parts you're actually responding to.
@napacat posted:Nice try...never heard of American Priority. Know nothing about it. Regardless of where it was copied or pasted from...those are his words. But all of you in your last group of replies ignore his words and what he said. Speaks volumes!
What American Priority wrote is exactly what you quoted. It took things out of context to again protect the president from the truth about his miserable failure in addressing the pandemic. Who knows where these things begin that get picked up by the right wing media bubble? But then, like the pizza killing parlor story about Hillary Clinton they get passed around on Twitter, blogs, text messages and disgusting sites like Infowars . I guessing many (most?) of these stories are from Russian troll farms. As we know not only does the president get help from a despotic country like Russia, but he actually welcomes it.
"But all of you in your last group of replies ignore his words and what he said"
I addressed your apparent lack of understanding how science works. No surprise from people who support this boob when it comes to science. gman showed how the cut and paste job from the original source twisted the meaning of the words Fauci has spoken. Also it's so obvious why the right wing media, and the president's enablers and sycophants are trying to discredit the Dr. when he's believed to a much greater extent than believe the Lair in Chief.
But really what's the point of these discussions? No one's mind will change. We all have to await the Nov. election (which you mocked me for asking what if he loses and doesn't leave.) Now, there's talk about suspending the election. but according to that boy wonder, and real estate genius, his royal son-in-law said the election is on "for now." "I’m not sure I can commit one way or the other, but right now that’s the plan." Wow that's reassuring. Just look at what he said. I guess he's the national election board chairman. And remember he also owns, I guess with Trump family, the nation's emergency stockpile. "The notion of the federal stockpile is that it's supposed to be our stockpile. It's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use."
If you a supporter of this president you are an enemy of the United States and democracy.
@napacat posted:Nice try...never heard of American Priority. Know nothing about it. Regardless of where it was copied or pasted from...those are his words. But all of you in your last group of replies ignore his words and what he said. Speaks volumes!
i posted fauci's actual words, with source, in context.
you seem to have trouble comprehending what he actually said?
Sheeple are only good for copy and pasting other people's words it seems and pretending they can formulate a real tangible thought for themselves.
"When you test, you have a case. When you test, you find something is wrong with people. If we didn't do any testing we would have very few cases."
So if we didn't investigate murders, the murder rate would drop? If we didn't test for HIV, the HIV rate would drop?
The only reason he wants to limit testing is to keep the actual numbers down, as he continues to minimize how poorly he's handled this whole situation.
Some local morons have filed a lawsuit to remove the checkpoint keeping non-residents/essential personnel out of the Keys.
This has prevented the transmission of the virus from Miami-Dade/Broward with thousands upon thousands of cars being turned away - and in turn has kept our numbers relatively low. They are geniuses
@jcocktosten posted:Some local morons have filed a lawsuit to remove the checkpoint keeping non-residents/essential personnel out of the Keys.
This has prevented the transmission of the virus from Miami-Dade/Broward with thousands upon thousands of cars being turned away - and in turn has kept our numbers relatively low. They are geniuses
Unfortunately these morons are everywhere.
“bUt MuH fReEdOm”
The scary thing to think about is how bad would things have to get before the Governors of the states that are reopening would decide to shut down their economies again? What would it take for Georgia or Texas or Florida to issue a second stay-at-home order?
I truly pray that things don't take a turn for the worse. I am hopeful, for example, that my home state of Florida will be able to handle any increase in cases and hospitalizations. But we are in uncharted waters, and I wonder if anyone is even thinking about what do do if we get a resurgence.
I’m sure doctors and nurses are thinking about it. Those who call the shots? Not so much.
Our governor is moving to have our state (MD) begin re-opening today. He's left it up to the county executives to make the final call for their jurisdictions, which I think is smart. My county (Montgomery) and adjacent Prince Georges are holding off for the time being, since both counties have disproportionate Covid-19 issues. No matter how or when we get to the point where we have this disease somewhat under control, I'm pretty sure the world we lived in in January isn't going to be the same after this mess. Dining, sports, live music and theater are all going to look different.
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I saw a few video clips of press conferences after they ended, one from White House briefing and one from Chicago press briefings. In both cases people were shown taking off their masks after the conference was over. This included press and some staff. Does that mean they were just wearing the masks for show during the press conferences?
@thistlintom posted:I saw a few video clips of press conferences after they ended, one from White House briefing and one from Chicago press briefings. In both cases people were shown taking off their masks after the conference was over. This included press and some staff. Does that mean they were just wearing the masks for show during the press conferences?
How would anyone here know?
Guy delivering beer to me wasn’t wearing a mask. I wasn’t either when answering the door. He needed to take a picture of my ID and was a little winded from carrying the beer. He stayed more than 5 feet away the whole time and he was outside. And the door was only open about a foot. And the whole thing took less than 3 minutes. Still, yich.
OTOH, I’m staying in completely. Everything has been Whole Foods via Amazon and Instacart. And some stuff direct from Amazon. Getting prescriptions delivered, too. I spent $700 stocking up on 75%+ isopropyl alcohol last week via Amazon.
@winetarelli posted:. I spent $700 stocking up on 75%+ isopropyl alcohol last week via Amazon.
Wait, huh, what? A lifetime supply with enough left over for your grandchildren? FWIW I buy 99% and dilute it.
@The Old Man posted:Wait, huh, what? A lifetime supply with enough left over for your grandchildren? FWIW I buy 99% and dilute it.
That is what most of it was. 12 1L bottles of 99% for $450, and some assorted gallons of 75%. Since March 13 I have gone through 30 canisters of Clorox wipes, 2 packages of Costco wipes, and 2 1/2 gallons of 70% alcohol. Wipes are no longer available. So assuming a gallon a week isn’t that crazy for how friggin’ nuts I am.
How do you dilute your 99%?
@winetarelli posted:That is what most of it was. 12 1L bottles of 99% for $450, and some assorted gallons of 75%. Since March 13 I have gone through 30 canisters of Clorox wipes, 2 packages of Costco wipes, and 2 1/2 gallons of 70% alcohol.
Man, sounds like you could perform surgery in there.
How do you dilute your 99%?
Tap water.
Yesterday at popular spot in Commons West PGA Blvd
Bar tender no mask or gloves, server at first no mask [later put one on] & no gloves. Owners bobbing around all tables no mask, no gloves. Menus spotted from use, not one time use, Outside tables not cleaned up after prior folks, wanted to sit there, but had to go to a clean one inside.
Looks like owners don't give a damn about Phase one standards Also owners were trying to tell us in March that the virus was just a flu, and 35k folks died from that, so why worry.
@winetarelli posted:I spent $700 stocking up on 75%+ isopropyl alcohol last week via Amazon.
That's about CDN$1000. You bought the wrong kind of alcohol.