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I too am worried about a spike in cases as states reopen.  Unfortunately, there is just too much pressure to get economies going again. 

Best case scenario is that cases go up slightly but hot spots and clusters are controlled by testing and tracing, and in the meantime treatments (Remdesivir or plasma) are found that limit the severity of the sickness while we buy time for a vaccine (Oxford one seems promising) to be developed.

Worst case is a massive second wave, no effective treatment or vaccine in sight,  with more deaths and another shutdown of the economy.

Remdesivir definitely reduces the duration of symptoms and in all likelihood reduces the chances of death in those with severe symptoms. Yet to discover if giving it to those with mild or moderate symptoms reduces the chances of the symptoms becoming severe (and hence leading to death) but my guess, based upon these conclusive results, is that it would. 


Combined with the Oxford vaccine, this is very good news.

Also posted in the restaurant thread:

Well - apparently restaurants are allowed to reopen here at 25% capacity I believe on Monday.  What are the chances of me dining in a restaurant any time soon?  0%.  Also non-essential stores - not sure the capacity limit

I have not heard that the face mask regulation has been eliminated though so I have no idea what that means.  They are required when shopping or otherwise in contact with people but not in restaurants?  Makes no sense whatsoever unless that has not also been eliminated and has not been reported.  

I sense a massive increase in cases in 2-3 weeks - Can only hope not.

I had to go to CVS on Tuesday because Stef cut herself while making dinner and we were out of bandaids.  First time I had been in a store since March 16th - I did not even know where my wallet was.  

I understand people wanting to return to normal - but I plan on staying home until we see what happens (as much as possible) - 

@jcocktosten posted:

Also posted in the restaurant thread:

Well - apparently restaurants are allowed to reopen here at 25% capacity I believe on Monday.  What are the chances of me dining in a restaurant any time soon?  0%.  Also non-essential stores - not sure the capacity limit

I have not heard that the face mask regulation has been eliminated though so I have no idea what that means.  They are required when shopping or otherwise in contact with people but not in restaurants?  Makes no sense whatsoever unless that has not also been eliminated and has not been reported.  

I sense a massive increase in cases in 2-3 weeks - Can only hope not.

I had to go to CVS on Tuesday because Stef cut herself while making dinner and we were out of bandaids.  First time I had been in a store since March 16th - I did not even know where my wallet was.  

I understand people wanting to return to normal - but I plan on staying home until we see what happens (as much as possible) - 

How bad / in danger did you feel going to CVS?  

@jcocktosten posted:

Was empty and fine - all 5 other customers had masks - workers had masks and gloves.  Fine.  But as soon as they relax any requirements - people will start ignoring all safety measure in my experience.

Your last sentence is the key.  People are morons.  And they are going to touch the door handles then get in their care, touch their face...and so on.    I really don't get the point of an employee wearing gloves...it only protects their hands.

I have to say that I think Florida is doing a better plan at reopening than many other states.  No gyms, theaters, salons, etc. open in Phase 1.  Keeping the hot spot counties closed (even though I live in one).  Emphasis on outdoor dining and only 25% capacity indoors.

We might be able to debate about whether Florida should be opening up at all yet, but if you are going to open up, I think it is being done in a relatively smart way.

just learned that a colleague of mine has been in the hospital since mid-March with Covid-19.  He and his wife had gone to NY for a weekend toward the beginning of March.  She had mild symptoms and tested positive-no treatment needed. He's been on a ventilator.  He's 63 years old. 

The mother of another friend of mine has it. My friend is around 60-63, I guess, so I suppose her mother is in her 80's.  Then there is the guy from my synagogue who died who was 87.  Hitting close to home.

@irwin posted:

just learned that a colleague of mine has been in the hospital since mid-March with Covid-19.  He and his wife had gone to NY for a weekend toward the beginning of March.  She had mild symptoms and tested positive-no treatment needed. He's been on a ventilator.  He's 63 years old. 

The mother of another friend of mine has it. My friend is around 60-63, I guess, so I suppose her mother is in her 80's.  Then there is the guy from my synagogue who died who was 87.  Hitting close to home.

Close to home, indeed.  Our daughter's family (Chicago) came down with it more than a month ago.  Daughter and kids are OK now, but our son-in-law is still ill.  He describes it as "absolutely brutal."

One of my son-in-law's relatives came back from China in December feeling ill, but showed up at a Christmas gathering anyway. Both my daughter and s.i.l. came down with something that the doctors diagnosed at the time as a severe upper respiratory infection.  Now they're wondering if they caught a mild case of COVID, but antibody tests are still unavailable here.

Given symptoms seem to vary so widely, I wonder how many of us have had it and either didn’t know or misdiagnosed it as something else. It’s possible many more people have had it than we think.

And if I understand correctly, kids seem to be able to get it and spread it without showing any symptoms at all. I hope someone is working on figuring out why that is. 

My local state park just re-opened our local disc golf course this morning.  Just got back from a nice 18 hole walk in the woods.  10 over for 18, which on this course is pretty good for someone who hasn't played in 3 months.  A really beautiful day here in MD.  68 and mild breezes.  I saw a few old friends from a distance.  All in all, an excellent 2 hours at the park.

PH

@purplehaze posted:

My local state park just re-opened our local disc golf course this morning.  Just got back from a nice 18 hole walk in the woods.  10 over for 18, which on this course is pretty good for someone who hasn't played in 3 months.  A really beautiful day here in MD.  68 and mild breezes.  I saw a few old friends from a distance.  All in all, an excellent 2 hours at the park.

PH

wait, you can finish 18 rounds in 2 hours?!?!?

the courses here in NY, good luck if you can sneak in under 5 hours

@jcocktosten posted:

Glad to hear Irwin. Today is the first time I have been in a car since March 31st

Not quite that bad here but close.  Two weeks ago I finally broke down and started going to Albertson's "Golden Hours" with a mask on to do our shopping since all of the delivery services including Amazon finally got so bad and unreliable I could no longer trust them.

Of course I started my hibernation a little earlier on March 14th.

I think 3 weeks in I finally opened my garage door and started my car and drove it around the block just to make sure the battery wasn't dead.

Not quite that bad here but close.  Two weeks ago I finally broke down and started going to Albertson's "Golden Hours" with a mask on to do our shopping since all of the delivery services including Amazon finally got so bad and unreliable I could no longer trust them.

Of course I started my hibernation a little earlier on March 14th.

I think 3 weeks in I finally opened my garage door and started my car and drove it around the block just to make sure the battery wasn't dead.

I will not go out except for things like a doctor appointment. I definitely will not be stepping into any stores. Of course driving your car around is OK. I guess I'm also lucky because I've had no problems with Amazon (I think once in 25 years), my daughter makes Costco runs (she does not come into the house) and while Instacart isn't perfect, there's usually one or two minor errors, it's good enough. I expect this to be the way for people over 50 or 60 until at least the end of the year if not longer.

Here in Maryland they are opening golf courses.  Foursomes are separated by 14 minutes between tee times.  Each golfer must either walk or use a cart by himself.  No rakes or ball washer devices.  You may not take the flag out of the hole.

Of course, it is supposed to go down into the 30's tonight so it's not exactly golf weather. Tomorrow it will not make it to 50 and it will be windy.  But, there is hope for the future.

 

My coworkers and I learned this week that a courthouse screener that many of us know by name, died on Sunday from Coronavirus.

Meanwhile back at the White House, Trump welcomed Republican members of Congress in the State Dining Room, sitting in front of the fireplace and directly underneath the inscription from John Adams that says, "May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."  

And from that place the president* said this about the Coronaviurus, quote, "I feel about vaccines the way I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine, and we're not going to see it again."

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