@patespo1 posted:

"I've read and listened to MANY doctors..."  then cites one Doctor 

Christ for Fuck's sake...he asked for an example and I listed one.  Can list more if you like.  Nothing to do but sit in your house because government officials tell you to do so and pick apart a post.   You guys are all alike...just a negative bunch of sheep.  Line up outside a grocery store because they have no other ideas. 

What is the point of waiting outside...when you walk right next to someone down the same isle and come within 2 feet of them.   Why wear a mask and gloves in your car? Why wear a mask and gloves while taking a walk.  You're being led by a group of politicians no smarter than the next guy (for the most part).  They only had the audacity and willingness to run for public office.  Stay on the sideline for months and hope the virus goes away...or choose to want to live and take precautions and self-responsibility.    

 

@flwino posted:

are you just plain stupid?   Or born with no brain, and nose attached to Dumspters butt?

Really FL...I need to think and follow you to be smart?  Think for yourself and not just a flock that goes with the flow.  It is a damn tragedy that anyone has had to perish from this virus.  People who may have had an underlying condition did not need to die at this time and would not have without this.  But do we really all need to be sheltered in place to prevent that.  NO

I think a good bit of the frustration (if that is what it is) with the President stems from his utter inconsistency and the divisions within the administration.  For example, while he has been tweeting "Liberate this state and that" and urging states to reopen their economies, yesterday he attacks the Governor of Georgia for opening up too quickly.  He gives a press conference in which he says that if the virus returns in the fall "It will come back in small doses which we can contain." He then turns to Dr. Blix for her comment and asks her, "Dr. Blix, don't you think there is a good chance it won't be coming back?" and  she says, "We don't know that."  Then Dr. Fauci says, "We will have coronavirus in the fall. I am sure of this."

If you are not going to state scientific fact, then don't state opinions as fact.  He obviously has no idea what the future holds and doesn't understand the science one wit.  So, he should not engage in rank speculation.

What is the purpose of having a press conference to announce that 1) the virus is probably not coming back in the fall 2) we don't know if the virus is coming back in the fall and 3) we are certain that the virus is returning in the fall?

The only purpose is to keep your face on TV and try to convince the American people that you are working hard.  Personally, I'd prefer it if the President left the coronavirus matters to the people who understand it, and if he just went off somewhere to play golf. 

From Maryland, where with a population of around 5.5 million, we have around 15,000 cases and about 640 deaths.

 

Irwin, I completely agree these events would be much better without him. I never thought that Mike Pence would offer calmness, reassurance and positivity given my disdain for his core beliefs, but he’s a breath of fresh air when he gets to speak. Except when he’s heaping praise on his boss. The others on the team are excellent as well, both in knowledge and delivery of information. It’s almost like having the 90’s Chicago Bulls with an incompetent coach at the helm trying to derail their success for his own attention.

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Billhike:  I don't get the sports analogy.  But, that's ok. Pence seems calm and reasonably intelligent, though he is way too conservative and right wing for me.  I understand why he is so sycophantic.  That's his job and his future depends upon not irritating the Republican base.  Regardless of who wins in 2020, Pence could see himself as a candidate in 2024.

 

@irwin posted:

Billhike:  I don't get the sports analogy.  But, that's ok. Pence seems calm and reasonably intelligent, though he is way too conservative and right wing for me.  I understand why he is so sycophantic.  That's his job and his future depends upon not irritating the Republican base.  Regardless of who wins in 2020, Pence could see himself as a candidate in 2024.

 

To Run Against Biden's 2nd term?

Agree also with Irwin.  Dr. Trump should play golf and lie about his score.  Left the medical stuff  to those who are qualified.  Great article front page WSJ today listing issues with Azar and HHS and the screw ups they made also.

Chicagoans of a certain age will remember what happened to Mayor Michael Bilandic in 1979 with his primary loss to the Jane Byrne, who would go on to become Chicago's first woman mayor. Wikipedia puts it like this, "...[t]he Chicago Blizzard of 1979 in January paralyzed the city and caused Bilandic to be seen as an ineffective leader." Well there's more to what happened to Bilandic than that sentence encompasses and hopefully it will happen to the Despot in Chief. As Paul Harvey used to say, "Here's the rest of the story":

In 1976 Mayor Daley died after after a 21 year reign. The Democratic Machine ran Michael Bilandic who, due to the machine's power, won election handily. And then came the another one of Chicago's great snowstorms. 35 inches of snow found the public struggling to get their cars out of snow banks and unto unplowed roads. The mayor lost support of the public just in time for the primary and he lost.

So what do many of us remember about that time? Two things stand out. First the mayor continued for days to downplay the seriousness of the situation. People just had to look outside at their snow-clogged street and see the mayor was blowing smoke. And second as bad as it was the Mayor talked about how well he was handling the crisis. 

So does any of that sound familiar? Downplay and congratulate. Bilandic, while not as ignorant, narcissistic and lacking of empathy as the current occupant of the WH, kept trying to make the public not believe their own eyes. It didn't work then and hopefully it won't work now.

 

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I was 8 years before voting age but sure remember that snowstorm. I think there were remnants of the plowed piles in my schoolyard in early May. 

@billhike posted:

I was 8 years before voting age but sure remember that snowstorm. I think there were remnants of the plowed piles in my schoolyard in early May. 

Wow, am I old. 

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The medical profession was surveyed on the question of whether we could open up the country now. 

 The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the  Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves. The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the  Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.     Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while  the Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted. 
  Many Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" While the Pediatricians said, "Oh, grow up!” 
  Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.   Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would "put a whole new face on the matter.”  The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.   Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.     In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington. 

@irwin posted:

The medical profession was surveyed on the question of whether we could open up the country now. 

 The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the  Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves. The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the  Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.     Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while  the Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted. 
  Many Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" While the Pediatricians said, "Oh, grow up!” 
  Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.   Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would "put a whole new face on the matter.”  The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.   Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.     In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington. 

Irwin,

If you wrote this and is original, well done. Very funny.

@napacat posted:

Irwin,

If you wrote this and is original, well done. Very funny.

Thanks, but I just copied and pasted it from something a friend sent to me.  Check out the Shakespeare post, Napacat.

@irwin posted:

The medical profession was surveyed on the question of whether we could open up the country now. 

 The Allergists were in favor of scratching it, but the  Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves. The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the  Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.     Meanwhile, Obstetricians felt certain everyone was laboring under a misconception, while  the Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted. 
  Many Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" While the Pediatricians said, "Oh, grow up!” 
  Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.   Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing and the Internists claimed it would indeed be a bitter pill to swallow.The Plastic Surgeons opined that this proposal would "put a whole new face on the matter.”  The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.   Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and those lofty Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.     In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington. 

Too soon. I don't find this remotely funny.

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The Old Man: I certainly did not mean to upset you or anyone else, and if I did, I apologize.  Humor is personal. 

I did find your comment that you did not find it "remotely" funny to be a nice pun.  All we do these days is do things "remotely." Perhaps someday we'll be able to get together and share a nice bottle of wine in a non-remote fashion.

@irwin posted:

The Old Man: I certainly did not mean to upset you or anyone else, and if I did, I apologize.  Humor is personal. 

I did find your comment that you did not find it "remotely" funny to be a nice pun.  All we do these days is do things "remotely." Perhaps someday we'll be able to get together and share a nice bottle of wine in a non-remote fashion.

Hey, no big deal. Please refer to my signature below. 

"'And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?' Trump said during his daily press briefing at the White House. 'Because you see it gets on the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So that you’re going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.'"

(Did you get that? He's suggesting injecting household products (perhaps industrial for economy of scale) like Lysol into people. Get right on that Dr. Fauci!)

"'There's been a rumor that -- you know, a very nice rumor -- that you go outside in the sun or you have heat and it does have an effect on other viruses,' Trump said, before asking coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx 'to speak to the medical doctors to see if there's any way that you can apply light and heat to cure, you know, if you could.'"

(There's a rumor, a very pretty little "strong" rumor. THEY say if you run around in the sun--like on the beach--it just kills that bad, evil virus dead, dead in its tracks. [Trump: I sure hope it also applies to sunlamps, however, I do need to get back to the links ASAP.] Get right on that Debbie!) 

OK, so here's my logic. There's no way on God's green earth that an intelligent person could read those comments (and they are only a sliver of the nonsense that is on display the daily Trump shit-show) and still think their speaker is in control of an organized "perfect" response, let alone his faculties. Ergo, Trump supporters are not intelligent. There may be a logical fallacy there, but I don't think so.

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What is amazing and disturbing is that some people believe the President when he touts cures that are actually deadly ( or when he says anything).  According to our local news, Maryland's Emergency Agency needed to issue an alert not to drink disinfectants, after the state’s emergency hotline received more than 100 calls asking if the phony disinfectant cures worked.  I am guessing other states have the same issues, because people here aren't any dumber than people elsewhere.

 

@irwin posted:

What is amazing and disturbing is that some people believe the President when he touts cures that are actually deadly... 

This just in from Randy Rainbow.

Apropos, methinks...

I like this guy's satire, but he's been been a little quiet lately.

PH

I'm beginning to think the only way forward is what I was thinking, but did not post, at the beginning of February. If you're 60 and up, try hard to stay home. If you're 70 and up, only go out for emergencies. If you're 80 and up you do not go out ever. And of course if you have compromised immune system or other disabilities you should stay home.

And here it comes, the rest of the public goes out, if they wish, opening up businesses and trying to maintain the best hygiene practices and other suggestions from scientists.

Businesses also would have the option of not opening until they feel it's safe. There'd have to be some law prohibiting liability lawsuits because the individual would sign a waiver, or whatever is required, to show that they are accepting responsibility.

I believe places like amusement parks, resorts and casino resorts are going to have a very hard time opening this year.

And Bill Maher said it about bowling alleys: It was always disgusting sticking your fingers in there and putting on those well used shoes.

@The Old Man posted:

I'm beginning to think the only way forward is what I was thinking, but did not post, at the beginning of February. If you're 60 and up, try hard to stay home. If you're 70 and up, only go out for emergencies. If you're 80 and up you do not go out ever. And of course if you have compromised immune system or other disabilities you should stay home.

And here it comes, the rest of the public goes out, if they wish, opening up businesses and trying to maintain the best hygiene practices and other suggestions from scientists.

Businesses also would have the option of not opening until they feel it's safe. There'd have to be some law prohibiting liability lawsuits because the individual would sign a waiver, or whatever is required, to show that they are accepting responsibility.

I believe places like amusement parks, resorts and casino resorts are going to have a very hard time opening this year.

And Bill Maher said it about bowling alleys: It was always disgusting sticking your fingers in there and putting on those well used shoes.

This.  Precisely.  Also, employees/parents need accommodations to continue to work from home for so long as schools and day cares are closed.  Or simply if you don't feel safe going out and are able to do your job from home.  

If you're immunocompromised or older stay home.  Not to quote the orange menace, but I fear we're getting to the point where the cure is worse than the disease.   

@The Old Man posted:

I'm beginning to think the only way forward is what I was thinking, but did not post, at the beginning of February. If you're 60 and up, try hard to stay home. If you're 70 and up, only go out for emergencies. If you're 80 and up you do not go out ever. And of course if you have compromised immune system or other disabilities you should stay home.

And here it comes, the rest of the public goes out, if they wish, opening up businesses and trying to maintain the best hygiene practices and other suggestions from scientists.

Businesses also would have the option of not opening until they feel it's safe. There'd have to be some law prohibiting liability lawsuits because the individual would sign a waiver, or whatever is required, to show that they are accepting responsibility.

I believe places like amusement parks, resorts and casino resorts are going to have a very hard time opening this year.

And Bill Maher said it about bowling alleys: It was always disgusting sticking your fingers in there and putting on those well used shoes.

Oh what a sad day!  I agree with TOM.  This is exactly what we should be doing.  Let’s get out there again and soon.

@napacat posted:

Oh what a sad day!  I agree with TOM.  This is exactly what we should be doing.  Let’s get out there again and soon.

I am in the group who is not going anywhere. In fact, I'm starting to think this isolation could continue at least through the end of the year. I had pneumonia 4 years ago and I never want to go through anything like that again.

The other part of the plan is that those who choose to go out cannot then go visit anybody in the 60 and up group nor those with compromised immunity.

Also those who do go out, as I said, must observe all the best health practices enacted by their state and with concern for their fellow citizens. We cannot continue to keep such a large percentage are the population lockdown if there is very little risk for them. However they're going to have to determine the risk themselves and not sue their employer if they get virus. Preventing litigation is another difficult piece that will need to be worked out.

This will still take a long time for all the pieces to come together. But it probably will take longer to get the vaccine and something needs to be done to get some more of the public back to work. However, full employment certainly will not come until a number of years.

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@billhike posted:

LOL - had to share that.

Not sure if I posted here already, but one of our friends had a skin cancer removed from his ear during all this and was all bandaged up and we started calling him Vincent - 

@jcocktosten posted:

Not sure if I posted here already, but one of our friends had a skin cancer removed from his ear during all this and was all bandaged up and we started calling him Vincent - 

Speaking of cancer, cancer screenings are way down during the pandemic along with other preventative screenings.

 

 

@thistlintom posted:

Speaking of cancer, cancer screenings are way down during the pandemic along with other preventative screenings.

 

 

Yep. Even in places where there are hospital beds and doctors available, people aren’t doing anything other than telemedicine out of fear that they could get Coronavirus. And, of course, in the places where there are massive per capita outbreaks, all non-essential medical procedures are being delayed. 

That said, there are several promising stories about vaccines. The Oxford study, if verifiable, would lead to a dramatic shift in how this all proceeds. 

It’s amazing that pence would be so deaf to the optics.  One wonders if the president ordered him not to wear a mask 

@irwin posted:

It’s amazing that pence would be so deaf to the optics.  One wonders if the president ordered him not to wear a mask 

Surely the person who created a massive security operation attending a football game only to immediately walk out wouldn’t do anything so irresponsible. 

Got my car serviced today at the local Subaru place.  As I paid, they gave me a nice new face mask.  Nice touch.

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