College Football 2018

We are will have a  full schedule of college football in two weeks.   Hopefully the focus will be on the field, but as always, the controversy off of the field is what generates passionate discussion.

As always, Alabama will be the hunted. It looks as Tua (not versed on his last name yet) will be the starter replacing Jalen Hurts (and his feelings). Clemson is loaded, and they now have a big time frosh QB in Trevor Lawrence, but he may not start now. Georgia has a lot of offense to replace, but they have player upon player. To me, those are the top three teams. We will always get some surprise teams. The Big 10 has Ohio St, Penn St and Wisconsin. Oklahoma, and maybe another superstar coach in Lincoln Riley, is always in the mix. Washington has emerged as the best of the Pac 12, but USC and UCLA may be emerging. It's time to play ball.

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SCBeerman,
Thanks for the 2018 CFB thread - it should be another fun year.

#6 Washington vs #9 Auburn is the only Top10 pairing for opening weekend and I hope AU makes a good showing to start the season.

There’s also #14 Michigan vs #12 ND and it’s one of those games in which I can’t decide who I want to see lose more. 

greendrazi posted:

SCBeerman,
Thanks for the 2018 CFB thread - it should be another fun year.

#6 Washington vs #9 Auburn is the only Top10 pairing for opening weekend and I hope AU makes a good showing to start the season.

There’s also #14 Michigan vs #12 ND and it’s one of those games in which I can’t decide who I want to see lose more. 

You must be an alum of MSU like me

flwino posted:
greendrazi posted:

SCBeerman,
Thanks for the 2018 CFB thread - it should be another fun year.

#6 Washington vs #9 Auburn is the only Top10 pairing for opening weekend and I hope AU makes a good showing to start the season.

There’s also #14 Michigan vs #12 ND and it’s one of those games in which I can’t decide who I want to see lose more. 

You must be an alum of MSU like me

heh - nope. Auburn.

In previous years, or I should say coaches, I would be pulling for Michigan (but not by much) in this game.

Weekend Summary (so far)

College football is back and I am happy. It was back to deciding which games to watch, usually three at a time until one gets compelling.

We start with game of the day, a top ten matchup in the new Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta between Auburn and Washington. This was Auburn's third consecutive game in the new venue and they were looking for their first win here. Well, they got it 21-16 in a great game. Both teams are well coached, fun to watch, have good QBs and are legit. Auburn started strong, watched the Huskies storm back but used a physical game to finish. They ran it in the red zone for the winning TD and then mercilessly rushed Jake Browning on the final drive to seal the win. Washington should not be penalized for playing essentially a road game against a quality opponent.

Quoting Wedding Crashers "Crabcakes and football, that's what Maryland does", and apparently you can add beating Texas to the list. Including a lengthy rain delay, the Terps raced out to an early lead, lost it but scored late to win 34-29. Maryland has barely beat many power 5 teams twice, but Texas is their sweetspot. Longhorn fans now wonder if Tom Herman is who they thought they had or is he another Charlie Strong. TBD.

The rest of the weekend saw the normal amount of routs against lesser opponents. Yes, App St took Penn St to OT but lost 45-38. Notre Dame beat Michigan 24-17 and the khaki man may be feeling some heat and looking for an NFL job. The top 3 teams all have QB issues, the good kind, but Alabama may have settled theirs. The worst kept secret in preseason was that Tua Tagovailoa would start over Jalen Hurts, and he did playing better. The Tide demolished Louisville 51-14, and well, looks like they always do. Clemson is playing senior Kelly Bryant for now but heralded recruit, and the new Thor of CFB, Trevor Lawrence will take over soon. You can pencil the Tigers in the playoff now. Georgia is starting Jake Fromm, and he is a solid QB, but the other big time recruit Justin Fields will play. It also looks as though Oklahoma and Ohio St will score points easily.

Finally, I actually had a good time watching a Gator game. Yes they played a bad team in Charleston Southern, but you could tell things were different. Felipe Franks threw 5 TDS in the 1st half (his career total before was 9 and I only recall one of them), but he actually looked like a QB. They only had 3 penalties for 20 yards. The team played good special teams and the overall atmosphere was fun. While you cannot judge any team until they play good competition, the Gators are better.  

   

winetrooper posted:

Michigan faithful are indeed going to turn on Mr. Khaki in short order.  No patience left and UM is beginning to remind me of the Lions.  Wash, rinse, repeat and hope you don’t crap yourself again with the next coach.  Ugh.

Do you mean that bringing the genius Jim "sharkgate" McElwain onboard hasn’t fixed Mr. Khaki’s struggling offensive?

winetrooper posted:

Michigan faithful are indeed going to turn on Mr. Khaki in short order.  No patience left and UM is beginning to remind me of the Lions.  Wash, rinse, repeat and hope you don’t crap yourself again with the next coach.  Ugh.

My favorite team is the ones that plays UM or ND.

Good by Mr. Khaki

 

Luckily I get the Big 10 network on my TV.  I was totally rooting for App State, but Penn State pulled it out in OT.  Franklin and players totally played it down after game by stating how great a team App. State is, but no escaping the fact that they nearly lost that game. 

Just paid my son's tuition bill for the fall semester at Bama.  Wonder how much of his tuition bill goes towards paying Saban's new contract.

wineart 2 posted:

Only week one, but a few teams looked totally unprepared to start the season. 

Michigan, Miami, FSU, Washington and Texas just to name a few. Again, just week one, but Clemson may have an easy path toward the playoffs this year. Very easy. 

This is what gets me. I know its the first week and its a brand new scheme and Willie had the kids fired up and playing hard(a big problem last year) but you cant have the tag line of your offense be "lethal simplicity" and use any of those excuses. Bud Foster took apart the Gulf Coast offense. Totally outcoached Willie. Not challenging Murray being marked down at the 1 was such a huge mistake and that Wildcat third down call after Akers 85 run to the 5 was just soooooooooo high school. Willie needs to step up his game 

Clemson has the easiest path to the playoff and this weekend confirmed it. Yes, Va Tech and Bud Foster could make it interesting, but Clemson has too much talent for them. No one else in the ACC is remotely close.

Mark Richt is always going to be Mark Richt, good records but will not win a title. Miami is not even close to playing at a high level. LSU may be better than we think, but I do not think so.

As for FSU, the questions for Taggert are there. They were unprepared (Va Tech knew what was coming), soft and maybe out of shape  (Va Tech much more physical) and the coaches looked overwhelmed. Given today's climate of instant gratification, Taggert is probably hearing it already.

Clemson is going to walk into the playoffs. Especially when they quit screwing around and just start Lawrence.

Miami was grossly overrated last season. They wont have the same turnover luck they had last year and the talent isnt there. 

I thought Barnett and the defense made great adjustments. They were put in impossible spots all night and kept coming up big.

OC Walt Bell and Willie have some stuff to figure out. How in the holy hell do you gain 80 yds in the second half when you had an 85 yd run???? Only dumb people are calling for a coaching change now but his honeymoon phase may be over after 1 game. Thats how bad it was. I was thinking 9-3 or 8-4 this year. Now 7-5 is looking like the high end. 

FSU flirted all night with a loss to FCS team Sanford (both Bowden and Fisher played QB there).  They hadn't beat a Power 5 team since 1939, and FSU had never lost to an FCS team. Seemed like the right time to happen as our in state rival saw a 31 year streak go down, but they managed to hang on.

The Turnover Bag made its first appearance last night, and it looked to me like something you would see on the E! channel rather than ESPN. With all the problems with the OL, I think they should give out garnet and gold Lego blocks to lineman for every successful block they make (would only need to bring a few to each game). The players could put them together on a table and interlock them and the crowd could chant "Build that Wall!".  It would be awesome!

Weekend Summary

Well, it had to happen sometime, but Kentucky beat Florida for the first time since 1986, and they deserved it. The Cats pushed the Gators around with stunning ease to win 27-16. Florida does not possess talent in either line plus Felipe Franks, although better, is an average SEC QB at best. I would be happy with a 6-6 record this season. Dan Mullen has more work to do than he anticipated (maybe he knows). A couple of other high profile hires had tough games, Chip Kelly losing to OU 49-21 (the Sooners look like a playoff team) and Scott Frost losing to Colorado.

Game of the day was in raucous Kyle Field as Texas A&M gave Clemson everything they wanted before losing 28-26. The Aggies moved the ball easily against Clemson's vaunted DL as their receivers bailed out QB Kellen Mond many times. Clemson QB Kelly Bryant, maybe not the most talented on the roster, showed his cool experience and is a gamer. Jimbo Fisher may be able to win in College Station, and Clemson should breeze into the ACC final against Va Tech.

The Georgia Bulldogs rolled into hot Williams-Brice Stadium (for those of you who have never been to Columbia in the summer it is the most miserable place there is) to face a confident SC squad. The Gamecocks thought they had a shot here, but Georgia is just too good. The Dawgs have athletes (just like Bama), they are physical (just like Bama), they run the ball with multiple backs (just like Bama) and can beat you any way you want (just like Bama). You get the picture as Georgia destroyed the Cocks 41-17.  

 Stanford used a stingy defense and Bryce Love to beat USC 17-3. The Cardinal could be a serious contender if their defense continues to play well. The rest of the power teams were not challenged.

Two games in it is real simple, I like the four playoff teams from last year, Bama and Georgia as 1 and 1A along with Clemson and Oklahoma. Teams that could spoil this party are Auburn, Stanford, and the Big 10 champ. Washington and LSU maybe.

 

 

 

 

Weekend Summary

Hurricane evacuation edition. Went to Atlanta, saw two Braves games, going to see the Panthers play the Falcons, golf, good food and everything is fine at home.

BYU, Kansas, Temple, Troy, South Florida, Missouri and Akron - that is the list of powers beating Big 10 teams yesterday. That is brutal. Kansas, the yearly butt of every college football joke, blasted Rutgers. Akron had not won a game against a Big 10 team in 100 years. The Pac 12 South was not much better as Texas stung USC, joining SD State, Nevada and Fresno State as winners against Pac 12 teams.

Harping on the new coaches, Troy beat Scott Frost's Nebraska 24-19, Fresno beat UCLA and Syracuse routed FSU. Frost and Kelly were the top 2 in Florida's search list last winter, and Taggart was mentioned. There is only one win in that group this season. While I think Frost will  somewhat get it together in Lincoln,  the Garth Brooks song "Unanswered Prayers" comes to mind. And yes, Dan Mullen has a long ways to fix the Gators despite a better game yesterday.

As for games involving the good teams, BYU went into Madison and withstood a late FG attempt by the Badgers to upset Wisconsin 24-21. LSU, on the road, started strong, saw Auburn get a lead and then scored 9 4th quarter points for the 22-21 win (FG at the buzzer). Coach O and his Bayou Bengals are the surprise team of the year thus far. Ohio State rallied to beat TCU 40-28 in Jerry World using defense as the vehicle.

People, Alabama has a legit QB and they are flat out scary on offense. I think I heard they are the first SEC team to score 50 points in their first three games.  Tua is easily Nick Saban's best QB and maybe Bama's best since get this, Joe Namath. Georgia is almost as good. The next three are Ohio State, Clemson and Oklahoma.

 

 

Great summary as usual, and great way to take advantage of your "evacuation".

Big dichotomy this year- there's Bama, Georgia, OSU and Oklahoma, and then there's everyone else.  Clemson looked rather pedestrian so far this year and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a big upset in their future, despite having a relative cakewalk to the CFP.  I think Notre Dame and Penn State are overrated- I can't see either getting to the playoff. 

And what happened to FSU? I guess Jimbo took all of his mojo to TAMU with him.  To quote one of the signs at ESPN's Gameday- " the power of Jimbo compels you."

As a Rutgers Alumus, I'd like to apologize for our football program being an embarrassment to the Big 10.

Roll Tide.  At the moment, doesn't look like anyone can beat them.

Oklahoma barely escaped disaster.  Va tech, Miss State and Okla State and TCU didn't escape. Will Big 12 have a representative in the playoff this year?

Weekend Summary

The upsets all occurred below top ten teams -

ODU over Va Tech - beyond embarrassing for the ACC

Kentucky smokes Miss St 28-7 - the Cats may be better than we think and the Gators loss, although bad, not as bad as we thought

Texas Tech over Ok St

Texas over  TCU - good win for Tom Herman

Purdue over BC - Boilers were 0-3 by 8 total points so they were due.

Alabama rolled the Aggies 45-23 and they let up in the 4th Q. A&M actually stopped the Tide running game early but with Tua Bama can now toss it. Georgia had a bit more trouble with Mizzou but still won by 14. Clemson usually has trouble with Ga Tech in the Atl, but not this time. Ohio St just crushed Tulane. OU had to go to OT to beat Army.

Captain Khaki, Mr Harbaugh, opened up a can on Scott Frost and Nebraska, routing them bigtime. The jury may be out on Frost.

Finally, while the Gators have work to do, crushing Tenn in Neyland felt great. The Vols are pathetic, but it is actually fun watching the Gators again.

 

 

Kelly Bryant, the QB for Clemson the last 18 games, announces his plans to transfer after being demoted for Freshman Lawrence. The new transfer and redshirt rules are having their impact on the game. Good for the players - not so good for the teams/schools. Will Hurts transfer now that Tua is a leading Heisman candidate?

 Weekend Summary

Glad to be home again after an extended time away.

We start at the white out Happy Valley between Big 10 powers Ohio St and Penn St. The Nittany Lions used some big plays to hold a 26-14 lead with 8 minutes left. Dwayne Haskins threw two TDs, aided by some nice runs by the WRs, to take a 27-26 lead late. Penn St then faced a 4th and 5, and then inexplicably called an inside zone read. The Buckeyes easily stuffed the run to preserve the win. In the post game conference, the arrogant James Franklin proclaimed how "great" his program was but not elite. Uh coach, great teams do not squander 12 point leads late.

Notre Dame made a statement win smoking Stanford at home 38-17. QB Ian Book, previously unknown to anyone but ND fans and his family, threw for 4 TDs. We all thought that Brian Kelly was doomed in South Bend, but he has rallied his team into a legit playoff contender. With Michigan playing well, the Irish look pretty good at this point.

Dabo Swinney had an eventful week. Senior QB and previous starting QB Kelly Bryant decided to transfer after learning that he lost his job to highly regarded frosh Trevor "Thor" Lawrence. Bryant is taking advantage of two rules, the grad transfer and the new four game redshirt rule, so that he can start elsewhere. Meanwhile, Lawrence takes on a Syracuse defender head on and cannot play. Enter Chase Brice, really unknown except to the most avid Clemson fans, who rallies the Tigers late to beat Syracuse 27-23. 

I was proud of the Gators again as they outlasted Miss St in Starkvegas 13-6. Feleipe Franks has become a serviceable SEC QB and Dan Mullen, returning to an emotional crowd after coaching there 9 years, had the perfect scheme. The Gators are still flawed and need elite players, but I will take 4-1. Kentucky beat SC at home 24-10, and the Gators loss to them, while not great, does not look nearly as bad.

As for the playoff, Alabama is the overwhelming favorite. To me, Ohio St is the next best team. Georgia is very good, but not as good as last year. Clemson I feel the same, but their path within a weak ACC makes them almost a sure thing. Lincoln Riley at OU is the new offensive genius as they score and score again no matter who is playing.  

Weekend Summary

It's taken about 10 years, but The Swamp felt like its old self yesterday and it felt good. LSU came into Gville unbeaten and #5 with two quality wins. The Bayou Bengals then waltzed down the field on the first drive to lead 7-0. They were then moving again on their next drive and then it changed as the Gators forced a fumble. This well played physical contest went back and forth when LSU took a 19-14 lead midway in the 4th Q. The Gators then mounted a long drive using a TE pass to the QB (Spurrier-esque) to retake the lead 20-19. As LSU began their final drive, the Florida pass rush forced Joe Burrow to throw his first pick as a Tiger, resulting in a game winning pick six as The Swamp erupted into the deafening arena it used to be. No telling where the Gators end up, not the roster you can trust yet, but Dan Mullen clearly knows what he is doing. Florida took a very good LSU team's best punch and returned the favor for a 27-19 win.

The other great game was the annual Red River contest in big D, the neutral site affair between Texas and Oklahoma. The Sooners were unbeaten, ranked 6th and scoring points at will on every opponent. Texas broke the game open to take a 45-21 lead into the 4th Q. OU struck back shockingly easy with some quick, really quick, TDs to tie it up at 45. The Longhorns then calmly marched down the field and kicked the winning FG 48-45. Texas won this game on one play, the QB run as OU could not stop it all day.

The other top ten team to lose was Auburn who lost in Starkvegas to Miss ST. Texas A&M beat Kentucky in OT 20-14 in College Station. The Wildcats strangely did not have one snap in regulation on the A&M side of the 50.

As for the national picture, Bama beat Arkansas 65-31 playing average. Their only vulnerable spot is an inexperienced secondary but we are splitting hairs here. Georgia messed with Vandy for a bit and Ohio St did the same with Indiana. Clemson is starting to get interested again as they killed Wake. My man Hunter Renfrow relived his HS days by playing a little QB. Notre Dame had a nice statement win in Blacksburg 45-23 over the Hokies. 

The OU loss makes it difficult for the Big 12 to get in the playoff as they, Texas or maybe WV need help. I do not think anyone in the Pac 12 is good enough to win it. Ohio St looks to be in control in the Big 10, but Khaki man in Ann Arbor is sneakily hanging around. Clemson should easily take the ACC. And you have Bama and Georgia in the SEC, which has again regained its crown as the best conference. And then there is Notre Dame giving the committee heartburn. This is about the point when we all have it figured out, and then college football happens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Weekend Summary

The first real shake up of the top ten occurred this weekend as #s 2, 6, 7 and 8 all lost. Georgia went into Baton Rouge with impressive wins, although some weaknesses were there, and got blasted by LSU 36-16. Georgia went away from its bread and butter, the run game early and never recovered. Once they fell behind by double digits Jake Fromm could not bring them back against the LSU defense. Iowa St just beat West Virginia 30-14 (never bought into WV as a true contender), Oregon outlasted Washington 30-27 in OT and Mich St edged Penn St 21-17. Anyway, Penn St continues to be great but not elite, sure James.

The beneficiaries of these losses are Texas, Michigan and yes, UCF, still riding the nations longest winning streak at 19 games after squeaking by Memphis 31-30. Even the Gators, overcoming an ugly first half trailing Vandy 21-3 to win 37-27 have an outside chance.

We saw something less than perfect from Alabama as Tua T played with a sprained knee and only threw for 3 scores. The Tide beat Mizzou 39-10. Notre Dame came back at home to nip Pitt late 19-14.

The fickle nature of the game, mental fatigue, injuries, lesser teams improving (ask Auburn losing to Tenn at home) has made this a free for all. It is best just to observe for a week or so before projecting.

 

csm posted:

If Tua is healthy, everyone is playing for the right to lose to Alabama, which really isn't that different from most seasons it seems.

Don't disagree with this or JBurman, but sports is a funny game where a lot can happen. 

Ohio State looked pretty crappy this weekend against an average Minnesota team.

Weekend Summary

Well, as always, the chaos shifts from the unbeaten to the one loss teams. Ohio St was perceived to be a team with the talent to challenge Bama, but the weight of the preseason may have caught up with their coach, the pontiff. The Buckeyes went into West Lafayette last night seemingly unprepared as Purdue smashed then 49-20. When an underdog gets the lead on the favorite you are always waiting on the comeback, but Purdue not only held off OSU but they crushed them late with big plays. QB Blough, RB Knox and WR Moore all had big nights. OSU QB Dwayne Haskins is probably still alive in the Heisman race, and he did go 49-73 for 470 yds, but oddly enough this game hurt his chances. I have heard reports that Meyer is complaining of health issues so last night did not help.

Tenn beat Auburn last week so they were somewhat upbeat going into the "3rd Sat in Oct" clash with Alabama. Tua Tagovailoa got the Tide off to a fast start in a 58-21 rout. Tua has thrown 25 TDs with get this, zero picks, and I say he may have locked up the Heisman now. We will see if LSU can slow him down. NC State came into Death Valley 5-0, and in their minds were playing a big game. Yeah right as Clemson beat them 41-7. Everyone is on Dabo for his handling of the QB, but he knows that his only chance to beat Bama is with Trevor Lawrence.   

Michigan bested Mich St 21-7, and the Wolverines may finally win the Big Ten this year. There were some unnecessary pre-game antics but Sparty has declined in the past few years and Harbaugh is getting it together,. LSU easily beat Miss St 19-3 setting up the big match in two weeks.

There are some big games upcoming so now is the time to watch and enjoy. 

 

Weekend Summary

I was a bit late to see if any of you were still out there given the lack of responses lately. I did go out of town for a family function so I was a bit limited in watching games. I am fine as to the Gator outcome because what I expected to happen did happen.

We saw it in 2015, saw it again in 2016 and again in the semis in 2017, and you are going to see it in 2018. Of course, that is Alabama playing Clemson for the title. I know it is college football and anything can happen, but those are clearly the best two teams. This is based on recent history, talent level and the play thus far this year.

Clemson went into Tallahassee in what once was a very compelling series, but not anymore. The T-I-G-E-Rss-S sent FSU to its worst loss at home in program history 59-10. Clemson started slowly but found their stride and started scoring points in bunches while holding the FSU offense to negative yards rushing. Dabo knew he needed Trevor Lawrence to beat Bama and while the decision to start him looked shaky a month ago, it looks great now. FSU, for the first time in almost 50 years, now has to deal with a coach in over his head (and yes, I am still scared they will beat the Gators).

For the first time in ages, the "cocktail party" in Jacksonville was between two ranked teams. Georgia used their depth and overall talent to win 36-17 in a game that was more competitive than the final score. The Gators needed to play a clean game to win, but a minus three turnover margin plus missed opportunities on open pass plays sealed their fate. Florida lost their best cover corner early, CJ Henderson, and that made them have to play vanilla defense thereafter. Dawgs QB Jake Fromm gladly took advantage by throwing three TD passes on 3rd down.  The Gators still have a big problem at QB in Feleipe Franks, so hopefully the frosh QB plus the two recruited ones can solve that problem. Georgia is still alive although they have to beat pesky Kentucky (who edged Mizzou 15-14 on the last play of the game) to play Bama in Atlanta. The Gators still can exceed their preseason goals if they can shake this loss off.

The only other big upset was Texas losing in Stillwater to Ok St 38-35. The Horns appear to be one year away and this puts OU back in the playoff hunt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

wineart 2 posted:
jcocktosten posted:
jburman82 posted:

Cant believe Durkin got his job back. 

Disgraceful but not surprising - toxic

How does he recruit with all this history?

AAANNDDD he's gone again.  Did their Athletic Dept use Tenn as their role model?

He's gone now.  Like in many states, the highest paid state employee is the football coach at the big state university. Durkin earned $2 million.  He'll get a buyout of about $4 million. Meanwhile, an assistant or associate professor of something important, like physics, engineering, math or English, gets 5-7% of that.  (And most English professors do not kill their students)

U of MD. Class of 1975.

irwin posted:

He's gone now.  Like in many states, the highest paid state employee is the football coach at the big state university. Durkin earned $2 million.  He'll get a buyout of about $4 million. Meanwhile, an assistant or associate professor of something important, like physics, engineering, math or English, gets 5-7% of that.  (And most English professors do not kill their students)

U of MD. Class of 1975.

When you get fired for cause you should receive nothing!  Not the 4-5 Million on the balance of the contract.

Weekend Summary

Well I went to my one game a year in Gainesville, although I had a missed a few years, and it is fun to relive memories, traditions, etc. That being said, this Gators team is reverting to the mean based on its talent level and culture from previous regimes. There is no way that Missouri should dominate Florida in any year, maybe beat them, but not dominate. The Gators need to search within and maybe play some guys now that the four game limit for redshirts will allow it. Mizzou QB Drew Locke had a great time in a 38-17 win.

Alabama is simply making college football boring. The Tide went into Baton Rouge, Death Valley, against a 3rd ranked LSU team and methodically whipped them 29-0. The galling thing is that everyone expected it to be more and it feels like the Tide played an average game. Maybe Georgia, Michigan or most probably Clemson can give them a game, but it does not look that way. I will always hedge with anything can happen, but we could be looking at a historically dominant team.

As for the others, Clemson is on a roll and maybe Dabo can give his alma mater a tussle. The Tigers crushed Louisville 77-14 and suddenly Bobby Petrino is not an offensive genius anymore. Notre Dame won another game 31-21, this time against Northwestern. Michigan made  a statement against Penn St 42-7, and maybe Harbaugh is getting his groove with Shea Patterson. Meanwhile, Penn St is not elite, they are not great and maybe merely good. Georgia won their half of the SEC by going to "bluegrass territory" and dispatching Kentucky 38-17. Georgia simply has too much talent for Kentucky. Finally, the Big 12 is down to OU and West "by God" Virginia for possibly a playoff slot. The Sooners edged Texas Tech in a high scoring affair and the Mountaineers beat Texas 42-41 on a two point conversion late. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

Well I went to my one game a year in Gainesville, although I had a missed a few years, and it is fun to relive memories, traditions, etc. That being said, this Gators team is reverting to the mean based on its talent level and culture from previous regimes. There is no way that Missouri should dominate Florida in any year, maybe beat them, but not dominate. The Gators need to search within and maybe play some guys now that the four game limit for redshirts will allow it. Mizzou QB Drew Locke had a great time in a 38-17 win.

Alabama is simply making college football boring. The Tide went into Baton Rouge, Death Valley, against a 3rd ranked LSU team and methodically whipped them 29-0. The galling thing is that everyone expected it to be more and it feels like the Tide played an average game. Maybe Georgia, Michigan or most probably Clemson can give them a game, but it does not look that way. I will always hedge with anything can happen, but we could be looking at a historically dominant team.

As for the others, Clemson is on a roll and maybe Dabo can give his alma mater a tussle. The Tigers crushed Louisville 77-14 and suddenly Bobby Petrino is not an offensive genius anymore. Notre Dame won another game 31-21, this time against Northwestern. Michigan made  a statement against Penn St 42-7, and maybe Harbaugh is getting his groove with Shea Patterson. Meanwhile, Penn St is not elite, they are not great and maybe merely good. Georgia won their half of the SEC by going to "bluegrass territory" and dispatching Kentucky 38-17. Georgia simply has too much talent for Kentucky. Finally, the Big 12 is down to OU and West "by God" Virginia for possibly a playoff slot. The Sooners edged Texas Tech in a high scoring affair and the Mountaineers beat Texas 42-41 on a two point conversion late. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed on the boring. It looks like a two horse race to me with a Tua led Tide having a wide lead. But if Clemson can bring the defensive heat like LSU did, they can make a match-up a lot more interesting with their offense.

It sure isn't boring for us Bama fans.  My son decided not to come home for Thanksgiving this year and go to the Iron Bowl instead.

its almost a shame that Notre Dame is undefeated, because I just can't see them getting past the first round of the CFP.  This isn't the same Michigan team they beat in week one, and they've had too many close games with teams they should be blowing out. Vegas has Notre Dame at a 20.5 point underdog if they played Bama today.

The Michigan/ND conversation is interesting. Michigan is definitely better than this season and is probably playing better than ND right now. However, people forget ND is playing better than they were at the start of the season two. Their first 3 games Wimbush started at QB and they had no passing attack. Now, they sling it and score points in bunches. Plus, head to head has to count for something.

This is all just pissing into the wind though. Bama and Clemson are going to brutalize whoever is 3 and 4.

Weekend Summary

We all talk about the excitement, the unpredictable nature of the sport, the upsets, etc, that make the game the one we love. Well, it did not happen this weekend. In fact, for the first time since 2009, all top ten teams won this late into the season. Almost all of the games were non-competitive.

The game that was actually exciting was an earlier than expected Bedlam Bowl in Norman. Oklahoma did was they usually do, win a high scoring affair late 48-47. The Sooners offense is led by young genius Lincoln Riley who has another playmaking QB in Kylar Murray. Ok St also scored points at will and the mullet national spokesman Mike Gundy gamely went for two at the end, probably saving both teams from a four hour OT session. OU has the offense to play with anyone, but a team that can pound it will give them trouble. 

Summarizing the top ten, Bama was held under 500 yds offense for the first time this year. Miss St actually matched them physically and made them look ordinary. The health of Tua is a concern and he is looking ordinary at this point. Even though Miss St got robbed of a TD on a phantom penalty, Bama still won 24-0. Clemson went up to cold Boston to methodically win 27-7. Notre Dame beat FSU 42-13 in the JBurman classic. Michigan routed Rutgers, as they and everyone else does, 42-7. In the south's oldest rivalry "tween the hedges" Georgia over Auburn 27-10. LSU, Wash St, WV and Ohio St all kept their hopes alive.  As for the playoff picture, nothing changed.

Finally, I was one play away from leaving the TV to the driving range but stayed. For the fourth straight week, teams were running up and down the field against Florida. The Gators are really weak at DT (no inside push), LB (I can cover better) and S. However, they have a coach with a will to win and came back to beat SC 35-31. Never should of happened but then again I would have taken anything over 7 wins this year in August so I will leave it there. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Petrino out at Louisville after going 2-8 so far this season and some blow out losses starting with a 66-31 beat down at home by Georgia Tech (542 rushing yards). Watching some of the games, it was clear that he had lost the team. Will they get alum Brohm from Purdue?

Weekend Summary

Since the schedule was very lackluster, I treated it as a weekend without college football, meaning golf and a social function at night. I have yet to watch even the Gator replay. Thus, my tardy post this week. The only games I caught live were the 4th Q of the OSU/Maryland tilt and the end of the Ole Miss/Vandy game (terrible call against OM there).

The Citadel Bulldogs in my presence are proclaiming victory for their 10-10 tie at the half in Tuscaloosa. At the half, Nick Saban must have threatened numerous things including a bad referral to NFL scouts and less bagmen visits. Alabama then played normal to win 50-17, but give Citadel credit, they scored points and made Tua play a lot.

The other powers won as usual. Clemson started slow with Trevor Lawrence missing throws, but they then overpowered Duke 35-6. Notre Dame, perhaps feeling a bit disrespected, made a statement win 36-3 over Syracuse in Yankee Stadium. Michigan sleptwalked over Indiana by 11. Georgia, OU and LSU all won easily. The only upset was Ok St upending WV 45-41, now making the Big 12 faithful hopeful that OU wins out.

Game of the day was in College Park Maryland battled Ohio St in a wild game filled with turnovers, points and weird plays. The Terps got a score late on a 3rd down fumble for a 7 point lead, but the Buckeyes matched it to send the game into OT at 45. OSU scored a TD and Maryland then scored to go one down. Interim coach Matt Canada went for the win on a 2 pt play, but the Terps QB missed a wide open receiver to lose 52-51. This game has to be remembered for the excruciating body language of Urban Meyer, but the Bucks have their showdown with Michigan next Saturday. 

It is said that it is nearly impossible to have three undefeated teams, actually four if you count UCF, in the regular season. We pretty much know Clemson and Notre Dame are getting there, and if Tua is healthy, so is Bama. That then begs the question of whether it is the Big 10 champ, OU or Georgia for the final spot. At least we get a slate of games next weekend.

 

 

patespo1 posted:

It is the week of The Game.  Hopefully The Buckeyes can keep the streak alive, as of today it's been 2551 days since they have lost to Xichigan. 

Here’s to hoping they beat the crap out of each other physically and end in a tie. Highly improbable but I’d be extremely happy to see Northwestern win the conference championship.

billhike posted:
patespo1 posted:

It is the week of The Game.  Hopefully The Buckeyes can keep the streak alive, as of today it's been 2551 days since they have lost to Xichigan. 

Here’s to hoping they beat the crap out of each other physically and end in a tie. Highly improbable but I’d be extremely happy to see Northwestern win the conference championship.

Well, Xichigan got the crap beat out of them, so you got half your wish.  But the Cats are going to have a rough time if the Buckeyes play like that again. Awesome victory.

Weekend Summary

It was rivalry week, but the only real excitement came from the newer rivalries. Texas A&M outlasted (literally) LSU in an instant classic 74-72 in the fifth FBS game that went to 7 OTs. This was the most points ever scored in an FBS game, a game in which a few calls prolonged the game. All you need to know if that LSU's Coach O got a Gatorade bath when the Tigers thought they had won before a call was reversed, and then his shirt was dry before the game ended. It was a nine lives game for sure for the Aggies. OU again outscored a Big 12 foe 59-56 against West Virginia and gets to avenge Texas in the Big 12 Title Game.

Some things never change in a cruel way, Lucy always pulling the football from Charlie, and Jim Harbaugh attempting to beat Urban Meyer. In a shocking fashion, the Buckeyes blasted the Michigan defense, the previously top ranked defense, 62-39. This was Michigan's chance and they blew it, no other way to put it.

To the top now, the Iron Bowl was interesting for a bit with a 17-14 halftime score. Alabama then did what they always do, score and score often to win going away 52-21. The main question answered here was that Tua Tagovailoa was running and looked to be healthy. Alabama set a school record for points scored and won every game by at least 20 points, a feat only accomplished by Yale in 1888. South Carolina exposed Clemson's pass defense a bit, but the Cocks could not stop Clemson in a 56-35 game. My man Hunter Renfrow played his record final game for WRs and played his usual heady game (please draft him Panthers). Washington snuffed out the small Pac 12 chances for the playoff by beating Wazzou and the pirate. 

As for the Florida Gators, I was thinking of cute things to say, but the best I have is that I am grateful to stop the streak and for a solid 9-3 season. The Gators had to beat the worst coached FSU team in an least 40 years, and fortunately they did 41-14. It is always said that this game helps in recruiting so that is what I am looking for here.

Good regular season and we can discuss playoff scenarios later.

 

 

 

scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

It was rivalry week, but the only real excitement came from the newer rivalries. Texas A&M outlasted (literally) LSU in an instant classic 74-72 in the fifth FBS game that went to 7 OTs. This was the most points ever scored in an FBS game, a game in which a few calls prolonged the game. All you need to know if that LSU's Coach O got a Gatorade bath when the Tigers thought they had won before a call was reversed, and then his shirt was dry before the game ended. It was a nine lives game for sure for the Aggies. OU again outscored a Big 12 foe 59-56 against West Virginia and gets to avenge Texas in the Big 12 Title Game.

Some things never change in a cruel way, Lucy always pulling the football from Charlie, and Jim Harbaugh attempting to beat Urban Meyer. In a shocking fashion, the Buckeyes blasted the Michigan defense, the previously top ranked defense, 62-39. This was Michigan's chance and they blew it, no other way to put it.

To the top now, the Iron Bowl was interesting for a bit with a 17-14 halftime score. Alabama then did what they always do, score and score often to win going away 52-21. The main question answered here was that Tua Tagovailoa was running and looked to be healthy. Alabama set a school record for points scored and won every game by at least 20 points, a feat only accomplished by Yale in 1888. South Carolina exposed Clemson's pass defense a bit, but the Cocks could not stop Clemson in a 56-35 game. My man Hunter Renfrow played his record final game for WRs and played his usual heady game (please draft him Panthers). Washington snuffed out the small Pac 12 chances for the playoff by beating Wazzou and the pirate. 

As for the Florida Gators, I was thinking of cute things to say, but the best I have is that I am grateful to stop the streak and for a solid 9-3 season. The Gators had to beat the worst coached FSU team in an least 40 years, and fortunately they did 41-14. It is always said that this game helps in recruiting so that is what I am looking for here.

Good regular season and we can discuss playoff scenarios later.

 

 

 

Congrats on the win. I haven’t seen any of those “number of days since ...” posts in awhile. 

greendrazi posted:
scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

It was rivalry week, but the only real excitement came from the newer rivalries. Texas A&M outlasted (literally) LSU in an instant classic 74-72 in the fifth FBS game that went to 7 OTs. This was the most points ever scored in an FBS game, a game in which a few calls prolonged the game. All you need to know if that LSU's Coach O got a Gatorade bath when the Tigers thought they had won before a call was reversed, and then his shirt was dry before the game ended. It was a nine lives game for sure for the Aggies. OU again outscored a Big 12 foe 59-56 against West Virginia and gets to avenge Texas in the Big 12 Title Game.

Some things never change in a cruel way, Lucy always pulling the football from Charlie, and Jim Harbaugh attempting to beat Urban Meyer. In a shocking fashion, the Buckeyes blasted the Michigan defense, the previously top ranked defense, 62-39. This was Michigan's chance and they blew it, no other way to put it.

To the top now, the Iron Bowl was interesting for a bit with a 17-14 halftime score. Alabama then did what they always do, score and score often to win going away 52-21. The main question answered here was that Tua Tagovailoa was running and looked to be healthy. Alabama set a school record for points scored and won every game by at least 20 points, a feat only accomplished by Yale in 1888. South Carolina exposed Clemson's pass defense a bit, but the Cocks could not stop Clemson in a 56-35 game. My man Hunter Renfrow played his record final game for WRs and played his usual heady game (please draft him Panthers). Washington snuffed out the small Pac 12 chances for the playoff by beating Wazzou and the pirate. 

As for the Florida Gators, I was thinking of cute things to say, but the best I have is that I am grateful to stop the streak and for a solid 9-3 season. The Gators had to beat the worst coached FSU team in an least 40 years, and fortunately they did 41-14. It is always said that this game helps in recruiting so that is what I am looking for here.

Good regular season and we can discuss playoff scenarios later.

 

 

 

Congrats on the win. I haven’t seen any of those “number of days since ...” posts in awhile. 

the Ohio State will be at 2900 and counting.... 

What a terrible first year for Willie. I really like his offense and think both it and he can still work out. This oline was just a dumpster fire. We only have 1 tackle on the roster due to transfers/bad behavior. Our best guard moved to tackle, got hurt and only played in 3 games. There are a bunch of guys playing that have no business being in the program, let alone on the field. Need at least 2, probably 3 JUCO or grad transfers. We literally couldn't run the offense because the line was so bad. Our RBs averaged less than one yard before contact.

Need for Francois to not come back. Kid is a cancer and cant run the offense.

Special teams coach will be let go soon.

Bunch of juniors and seniors on defense need to not come back. Too many quiters.

Hopefully this staff lives up to its rep as ace recruiters and we keep the class together. Next year needs to be 9 wins to show a proof of concept and keep recruiting as well as he is now. If not. Hes done after 3 seasons.

pinotlvr posted:
jburman82 posted:

Still been 14 years since UF has beaten FSU at home. If we dont get 5 new oline starters for next season that will probably fall too though.

9 years, not that it’s much better stat.  2005, 2007 and 2009 were gator wins at home

The only positive for me in the outcome yesterday was that my daughter got to experience one Gator victory over FSU before she graduates next Spring, something the last two graduating classes could not say.

Although she will graduate without seeing a Gator basketball victory over the Noles in her 4 years, just like last year's class.  Guess we're becoming a basketball school. 

The silly season has started. Mack Brown returning to UNC, probably to stabilize the program. He will out together a nice staff and recruit well.

The big rumor out there is that the Gus Bus could be out at Auburn. Reports, mind you social media and message boards, are on fire that the $32 million buyout is no problem but that they are waiting on a big name coach to agree to even sillier money.

Its always interesting to see what happens when alumni get upset that their team did not do as well as they want and demand heads to roll.  Who do they think they are going to get to make things dramatically better within one or two years?  Gus has done well at Auburn as has Harbaugh, although not as well as some alumni want.  Who are you going to get to replace them if you are not happy and what does that say about the program, will coaches want to go where there is discontent?

scbeerman posted:

The silly season has started. Mack Brown returning to UNC, probably to stabilize the program. He will out together a nice staff and recruit well.

Don't get excited by a 67 year old that hasn't coached in 5 years and was mediocre except when he had one really good QB (even if he played for FSU).  His first year at UNC was my second at grad school.  Some are saying he would bring Chizik (who did a good job as DC with UNC in their '15 season) and Kliff Kingsbury, which sounds good, but I doubt happens.  Don't think any other school would have 2 coaches who won NC's (only four are active today).  UNC is, and always will be, a basketball school.  Very little real interest in college football there as it is a basketball state like Kentucky or Indiana.  

scbeerman posted:

The silly season has started. Mack Brown returning to UNC, probably to stabilize the program. He will out together a nice staff and recruit well.

The big rumor out there is that the Gus Bus could be out at Auburn. Reports, mind you social media and message boards, are on fire that the $32 million buyout is no problem but that they are waiting on a big name coach to agree to even sillier money.

RE: Auburn

Silly indeed, see what Thistlintom said.

As to the rumours, the always reliable <rolls eyes> footballscoop.com said that “people representing Auburn” met with the retired Bob Stoops, to which he replied to USAToday:

“I didn’t know Auburn had a job open. I haven’t talked to anybody from Auburn. I haven’t met with anybody from Auburn, nor am I set to anybody. It’s just foolish speculation that just is thrown out there that has no basis to it.

This is ridiculous. You people are listening to stuff that just isn’t there. There’s a bunch of people that are totally clueless and just make up news.”

I've been saying all year FSU's oline is the worst in the power five. I was waaaaay underselling it. Probably one of the worst in FBS. Here are the Pro Football Focus grades for FSU's lineman.

Out of 836 linemen in the country who played at least 20 percent of their team's snaps, FSU had:

No. 836 (J. Williams)
No. 827 (Scott)
No. 791 (A. Williams)
No. 750 (Kelly)
No. 547 (Arnold)
No. 542 (Eberle)
No. 429 (Minshew)

NOTE: Abdul Bello would have been ranked No. 835 on this list but he didn't play quite enough snaps to qualify.

Our best lineman isn't in the top half of the country. You just cant run an offense like that.

 

 

One thing is for sure, the NCAA needs to force Notre Dame into a conference if they want to compete in the BCS.  They are probably at the talent of LSU or Florida which both have 3 losses but a good win, yet ND is 11-0 but unlike the other schools that might be part of the CFP get to take a break and rest up.  We should punish Catholics for molesting children, not enable them.  God we are stupid.

One guy on ESPN-U radio suggested that Notre Dame should play the best team from the group of 5 on conference championship weekend.  I like that idea.  Certainly this year, it would prove the legitimacy of UCF's unbeaten record and whether they are a contender or pretender.

Another thought- Expand the playoff to 8 teams and eliminate conference championships. Have the quarterfinal playoffs between the 8 best teams on what would normally be championship weekend.  The idea that conference champions automatically get bids to the CFP is dumb. Pitt or northwestern don't deserve to play for the national title if they win their games today. 

Maybe LSU and UF should win more games if they are so talented. 

ND only played and beat 11 power 5 teams. Only played one non power 5. LSU played 4. UF played 3 and had one cancelled. Get out of here with that garbage.

ND will join a conference when thats the only path to the playoffs. They like their independence and it allows them to have great rivalries all over the country. I would never want them to stop playing USC or give up the ability to schedule anyone any where.

winedrmike posted:

One guy on ESPN-U radio suggested that Notre Dame should play the best team from the group of 5 on conference championship weekend.  I like that idea.  Certainly this year, it would prove the legitimacy of UCF's unbeaten record and whether they are a contender or pretender.

No Conference.  No Play for title.  Short and sweet

Last time I checked, the CFP had nothing to do with conference champions.  Their charge is simply to pick the four best teams.  And history proves such, as when Bama got in last year without being in the SEC championship game, and may lose tonight and still get in (I would put a one loss Bama in at 4 ahead of OU).  

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Alabama and Clemson are no brainers.  Notre Dame hasn't necessarily looked like one of the best teams, but they went undefeated through an entire season playing a power 5 schedule and you really can't penalize them for the competition not playing up their billing. I don't see how the committee leaves out N.D.  

If they want the best of the rest, the have to pick Georgia, but I don't see that happening.  I think the nod will go to O.U., because they are going to argue that that a 1 loss conference champ trumps a 2 loss non- conference champ.  Hence, conference championships do matter.  We will find out the answer in a couple of hours.

scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Beerman, if the 4 best are truly picked, then it would be IMO as follows;

Alabama

Clemson

Notre Dame

Georgia

There is no way they will let Georgia play Alabama again IMO, there is no way ND drops to number 4 IMO, so I’m afraid Georgia gets screwed. 

As I, you and many have said all year. It appears there is Alabama, then Clemson and Georgia, then a drop off to ND, OU and Ohio St. I just can’t overlook Ohio St. losing by 29 to a 6 win Purdue, so they are out IMO. 

I don't think they will include Georgia, given it has two losses.  That means more than likely that OU gets in and OSU gets left out.  If UCF wants to get into the discussions, they will have to play some decent teams.

There really needs to be at least an 8 team playoff, you could have the champions of the big 5 conferences and then three at large.  One more game is not a big deal and I could argue going for a 16 team playoff even.

It ultimately comes down to TV viewership, and what the fans want to watch.  The college football world just saw a great game between Bama and Georgia and really doesn't want see a rematch.  I think everyone really now wants to see what Murray or Haskins can do against tthe Bama defense.  Saban won the right not to have to face Georgia again this year.

I personally like the current 4 team playoff format, even though I think the 8 team format will be inevitable. The 4 team format means EVERY game counts.  I don't think it was a given that BAMA was in if they lost to Georgia.  One  of the best games within the past 2 years, was the OSU- Michigan game 2 years ago that OSU won in OT and went on to the playoff, and Michigan was left out.  In an 8 team format, both teams would have been in the playoff and that game would have been meaningless.

On the other hand, an 8 team playoff would mean that 2 more of the New Years 6 bowl games would be more meaningful.  Other than the 2 playoff games, the other games weren't that interesting because the teams had nothing to play for.  The star players sat the games out to avoid injury.  UCF celebrated their win over Auburn, but Auburn had mentally checked of the game.

You could see this one coming all season. His demeanor at the pre-season press conference when they announced the three game suspension, reports of health problems and his body language during the Maryland game were all indications that he was done. Give him a year on TV and he will pop up somewhere like say, Auburn.

Looks like FSU will hire Kendal Briles as OC. That feels gross to me. Rather have Mike Sanford and not deal with the baggage.

That being said, I think Briles is probably the best OC in college football. If FSU can pull 3 new oline starters from JUCO/grad transfer, they are a 10 win team next year. 

jburman82 posted:

Looks like FSU will hire Kendal Briles as OC. That feels gross to me. Rather have Mike Sanford and not deal with the baggage.

That being said, I think Briles is probably the best OC in college football. If FSU can pull 3 new oline starters from JUCO/grad transfer, they are a 10 win team next year. 

The schedule is certainly favorable for a 10 win season

Bagmen are everywhere. As an Auburn fan you should be familiar. Historically the 3 dirtiest programs in this regard have been Auburn, Clemson and Ole Miss. Im sure SC will back me up. 

If you cant see the difference between Richt's classes and the past 3 Smart classes, I dont know what to tell you. Im pretty sure it was last year they signed 10% of the rivals top 150. Thats insane.

Of course FSU bagmen, just not as good as other schools. We dont have the amount of big money boosters other schools have.

UGA is going to get Kair Elam. His dad is straight shopping him. Highest bidder. 

Dont get so defensive dude. Every big program has its skeletons. Big time CFB is a dirty, slime ridden business. Read my post, I said in this regard. I was clearly referring solely to the bagman.

Gotta get you back back on block. Guess the server changed cleared my settings. Dont get why you have such a problem with me. Anyway, Merry Christmas .

Clemson losing Dexter Lawrence could be significant. Failing a drug test at this juncture is beyond stupid for many reasons. In addition to losing a chance at a title he stayed in school to win, his draft stock will plummet (if he did this in college he may do it in an NFL playoff setting). Notre Dame may have a better chance than people think.

Most know I stay out of insulting schools. I pretty much have personal knowledge about Clemson (SC is  a small chummy state), but the ironic thing is now they do not have to cheat since they are established. Auburn and Alabama have had that reputation for my lifetime. Ole Miss got it under Freeze. Kirby is another dimension over Richt. Many of his players are out of state and he is getting a disproportionate share of five stars. If he ever becomes a good game day coach, look out.

The recruiting budgets for Alabama and Georgia are over $2.5 million per year. The Gator budget is $1.4 million, so Mullen did ok. Saban has 13 analysts in the office looking at film and contacting recruits, and Kirby learned that from him. As with the facilities arms race, it is getting out of hand. The same teams will continue to win.

Playoff Summary

Well, we got what we all knew was coming from mid-season, something that does not always happen in CFB. The problem is, certain schools have figured out a formula for success and have exploited the system to the max. I will leave the specifics to your imagination.

Game One pitted Notre Dame against Clemson, and it was not even a contest. Before I get into the conventional wisdom, let me say that I have the utmost respect for UND as an educational institution, but that may be the problem. A recent WSJ article detailed their last five or six recruiting classes which ranged from 11th to 18th. I am guessing that ND had to pass on some five star players, or they would not come to ND due to actually be required to take real classes, that the other powers would find a way to admit. Good coaching can take you so far, and at this level, the talent level showed. Clemson was without their best defensive player (Dexter Lawrence), and still held the Irish to their lowest point level in school bowl history.  That is because Clemson has about six other DLs who will play in the NFL. Dabo Swinney knew early on that he needed frosh gunslinger, the long haired lanky Trevor Lawrence to beat Bama so he benched senior Kelly Bryant (who immediately bailed). Lawrence has proven Dabo correct as he both idolizes and resembles Peyton Manning (please Panthers sell your soul to draft him in 2021). Add a stable of great WRS, yes Hunter is still there, and you have a complete team.

Game Two saw OU facing Alabama (the Death Star as CFB talk show host Bill King calls them) in Miami. OU did what they did all year, fall behind early and then score at will in the second half. The problem is that they were playing the Tide and not Texas Tech or Ok St. You have to give the Sooners a lot of props for rallying from a 28-0 hole to make this a game as many teams would have packed it in. While I think that Kyler Murray should indeed play MLB, provided he can hit the breaking ball, he did show that he was a worthy Heisman winner. Tua was fine, given that he received medical treatment generally given to royalty, going 24 for 27, and a perfect 10 for 10 with 4 TDs when blitzed.

Now we get the 4th consecutive playoff matchup between Clemson and Alabama, and the third in the title game. While it will be fun to watch, this is exactly meant by me saying it was boring during the season.

wineart 2 posted:

Wow... Mark Richt retiring! 

Read the writing on the wall. Had about 10 kids decommit before early signing day. Class ranked in the 40s. Freshman QB transferring. The two he had this year arent any good. 

UM gets a new coach and we all get to hear how the U is back for about the 15th  straight year. 

Props to the Sooners for fighting back, but that’s the wrong team to dig a hole for yourself to start the game.

Trevor Lawrence was able to pick on an inexperienced DB against the Catholics, but he won’t have that easy-out against Bama. Toward the end of the season, the SEC teams with the better DL's have been able to slow Bama's attack down, for at least part of the game - is Clemson's DL up to the task?

greendrazi posted:

There's a very good chance that the Sharks will out draw the CFC game.  Very good chance.  If the Warriors were playing tonight their local tv share would probably be double the football game.

The article is correct, interest in college football here is very low.  There's also no following for Alabama or Clemson locally, no alumni to speak of -  real or tailgate.  Those two schools don't travel well outside of the South so no one is flying in for the game.  Finally I think locally that football fans who have a heritage of Montana, Young, Garcia, Elway, Luck , Goff and Rodgers, consider Alabama and Clemson's brand of football monumentally boring.  

Tickets are going for 1/2 to 1/3 of face value and I have a friend with a suite that's going to go unused.  

arsenal4ever posted:

Considering the 49ers (100-139, 42%) and Raiders (85-159, 35%) records in the past 15 years, maybe the Bay Area should start following college football more. At least Stanford has won.

So about 10 years ago we're in a hotel in New Orleans having coffee in the lobby.  There's a family across from us and the guy is explaining to who I guess was his father in -law that: "He was a Georgia fan until he moved to Alabama.  Then he was an Auburn fan, because he just couldn't root for Bama.  Now of course he's an LSU fan since they live in Louisiana, but he still roots for Georgia if they're not playing LSU."

Stef turns to me and says: "Aren't you supposed to root for the school you went to?"  

I say: "That's not how it works down here".

It's exactly how it works here though.  There's really no following of any of the local college teams except by alumni.  No subway alumni or tail gate alumni or whatever you want to call them.

“Fans” that switch allegiance are rarely alumni in any region. College football has a much longer history in the SE region than professional sports and hence, has a larger following by non-alumni than most other areas. And the few pro teams that did start in the 60's were mostly run by families for profit, not success (i.e., few championships). The Dolphins had success back in the 70's, but Miami is not a part of the SE.

It cracks me up how many Notre Dame fans there are given that there are not that many alumni.  Notre Dame has less than 10,000 students enrolled.  I guess if you are Irish in heritage or Catholic, then you have to be a Notre Dame fan.

people in the Bay Area are more concerned about getting a free trade cafe latte than a football game

The streak continues. The number 1 seed has yet to win the championship.

Not only had Saban never lost by 28 points at Alabama, he had never trailed by 28 points. The first time since 2011 Alabama had zero sacks and zero turnovers. 

Bama played 3 top QB’s in their last 3 games and gave up over 1000 yards in passing in the 3 games.  Bama went scoreless the last 44 minutes, and Clemson held ND to 3 points all while one of their very best players was suspended. When does Brent Venables start getting more consideration for a head coaching job? 

Venables makes $2M a year. He has been offered jobs in the past and turned them down. He seems to be a Bud Foster type. Content with where he is and what he is doing. FSU fans have been waiting for him to leave for a long time but I dont think it will happen.

Wow just wow. The evil empire just got crushed, dominated, whatever word you like to describe it. Yes, Clemson got a lot of breaks, but there is no doubt who was the better team.

Dabo is now an all time great coach. He is the ultimate culture guy as people love to work for him, unlike Saban. He a has DC in Venables (sorry W2A but that is OU's biggest mistake) who is financially secure without the headaches. He has two co-OCs who are Clemson alumni. This feels like the FSU staff which stayed together during their great run. Clemson is the new king of the hill and could be for a while.

RECRUITING MATTERS! If some of you from outside the SE wonder why we are so obsessed with recruiting, last night showed why. Trevor Lawrence was making throws that 1/3 of NFL QBs could not make. Pencil him in for a 15 year NFL career. Justyn Ross may be another generational talent at WR. You win championships with exceptional talents.

And finally, Hunter Renfrow has decided to retire from Clemson.

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