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One thing is for sure, the NCAA needs to force Notre Dame into a conference if they want to compete in the BCS.  They are probably at the talent of LSU or Florida which both have 3 losses but a good win, yet ND is 11-0 but unlike the other schools that might be part of the CFP get to take a break and rest up.  We should punish Catholics for molesting children, not enable them.  God we are stupid.

Another thought- Expand the playoff to 8 teams and eliminate conference championships. Have the quarterfinal playoffs between the 8 best teams on what would normally be championship weekend.  The idea that conference champions automatically get bids to the CFP is dumb. Pitt or northwestern don't deserve to play for the national title if they win their games today. 

Maybe LSU and UF should win more games if they are so talented. 

ND only played and beat 11 power 5 teams. Only played one non power 5. LSU played 4. UF played 3 and had one cancelled. Get out of here with that garbage.

ND will join a conference when thats the only path to the playoffs. They like their independence and it allows them to have great rivalries all over the country. I would never want them to stop playing USC or give up the ability to schedule anyone any where.

winedrmike posted:

One guy on ESPN-U radio suggested that Notre Dame should play the best team from the group of 5 on conference championship weekend.  I like that idea.  Certainly this year, it would prove the legitimacy of UCF's unbeaten record and whether they are a contender or pretender.

No Conference.  No Play for title.  Short and sweet

Last time I checked, the CFP had nothing to do with conference champions.  Their charge is simply to pick the four best teams.  And history proves such, as when Bama got in last year without being in the SEC championship game, and may lose tonight and still get in (I would put a one loss Bama in at 4 ahead of OU).  

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Alabama and Clemson are no brainers.  Notre Dame hasn't necessarily looked like one of the best teams, but they went undefeated through an entire season playing a power 5 schedule and you really can't penalize them for the competition not playing up their billing. I don't see how the committee leaves out N.D.  

If they want the best of the rest, the have to pick Georgia, but I don't see that happening.  I think the nod will go to O.U., because they are going to argue that that a 1 loss conference champ trumps a 2 loss non- conference champ.  Hence, conference championships do matter.  We will find out the answer in a couple of hours.

scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Beerman, if the 4 best are truly picked, then it would be IMO as follows;

Alabama

Clemson

Notre Dame

Georgia

There is no way they will let Georgia play Alabama again IMO, there is no way ND drops to number 4 IMO, so I’m afraid Georgia gets screwed. 

As I, you and many have said all year. It appears there is Alabama, then Clemson and Georgia, then a drop off to ND, OU and Ohio St. I just can’t overlook Ohio St. losing by 29 to a 6 win Purdue, so they are out IMO. 

I don't think they will include Georgia, given it has two losses.  That means more than likely that OU gets in and OSU gets left out.  If UCF wants to get into the discussions, they will have to play some decent teams.

There really needs to be at least an 8 team playoff, you could have the champions of the big 5 conferences and then three at large.  One more game is not a big deal and I could argue going for a 16 team playoff even.

It ultimately comes down to TV viewership, and what the fans want to watch.  The college football world just saw a great game between Bama and Georgia and really doesn't want see a rematch.  I think everyone really now wants to see what Murray or Haskins can do against tthe Bama defense.  Saban won the right not to have to face Georgia again this year.

I personally like the current 4 team playoff format, even though I think the 8 team format will be inevitable. The 4 team format means EVERY game counts.  I don't think it was a given that BAMA was in if they lost to Georgia.  One  of the best games within the past 2 years, was the OSU- Michigan game 2 years ago that OSU won in OT and went on to the playoff, and Michigan was left out.  In an 8 team format, both teams would have been in the playoff and that game would have been meaningless.

On the other hand, an 8 team playoff would mean that 2 more of the New Years 6 bowl games would be more meaningful.  Other than the 2 playoff games, the other games weren't that interesting because the teams had nothing to play for.  The star players sat the games out to avoid injury.  UCF celebrated their win over Auburn, but Auburn had mentally checked of the game.

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