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One thing is for sure, the NCAA needs to force Notre Dame into a conference if they want to compete in the BCS.  They are probably at the talent of LSU or Florida which both have 3 losses but a good win, yet ND is 11-0 but unlike the other schools that might be part of the CFP get to take a break and rest up.  We should punish Catholics for molesting children, not enable them.  God we are stupid.

Another thought- Expand the playoff to 8 teams and eliminate conference championships. Have the quarterfinal playoffs between the 8 best teams on what would normally be championship weekend.  The idea that conference champions automatically get bids to the CFP is dumb. Pitt or northwestern don't deserve to play for the national title if they win their games today. 

Maybe LSU and UF should win more games if they are so talented. 

ND only played and beat 11 power 5 teams. Only played one non power 5. LSU played 4. UF played 3 and had one cancelled. Get out of here with that garbage.

ND will join a conference when thats the only path to the playoffs. They like their independence and it allows them to have great rivalries all over the country. I would never want them to stop playing USC or give up the ability to schedule anyone any where.

winedrmike posted:

One guy on ESPN-U radio suggested that Notre Dame should play the best team from the group of 5 on conference championship weekend.  I like that idea.  Certainly this year, it would prove the legitimacy of UCF's unbeaten record and whether they are a contender or pretender.

No Conference.  No Play for title.  Short and sweet

Last time I checked, the CFP had nothing to do with conference champions.  Their charge is simply to pick the four best teams.  And history proves such, as when Bama got in last year without being in the SEC championship game, and may lose tonight and still get in (I would put a one loss Bama in at 4 ahead of OU).  

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Alabama and Clemson are no brainers.  Notre Dame hasn't necessarily looked like one of the best teams, but they went undefeated through an entire season playing a power 5 schedule and you really can't penalize them for the competition not playing up their billing. I don't see how the committee leaves out N.D.  

If they want the best of the rest, the have to pick Georgia, but I don't see that happening.  I think the nod will go to O.U., because they are going to argue that that a 1 loss conference champ trumps a 2 loss non- conference champ.  Hence, conference championships do matter.  We will find out the answer in a couple of hours.

scbeerman posted:

Weekend Summary

We may have seen it yesterday, the best game of the year between the two best teams (Clemson may argue here). Alabama and Georgia played the sequel to the Title Game last year in the same building with a similar result, with an ironic twist. Georgia HC Kirby Smart came out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball, have Jake Fromm pick apart the defense on perimeter throws ala Deshaun Watson while Georgia rushed three guys and confused Tua's decision making. It worked great for three quarters with the Dawgs up 28-14, but a missed short FG by a reliable kicker gave the Tide a chance. Tua battled two sprained ankles and finally had to leave the game down 28-21. Enter Jalen Hurts, a former SEC player of the year and 26-2 as a starter, who then completed a 3rd and 10 the Jerry Juedy to tie it at 28.

Then came an epic dumb call, ranked up there with any example you can recall, a fake punt at midfield on 4th and 11. Georgia inserted last year's #1 recruit, QB Justin Fields as the up man to run a fake which fooled no one except maybe the man who called it. Bama was in punt safe and no one ever fools Nick Saban. Smart had inserted Fields throughout the game on selected first downs, obviously to keep him from transferring since Jake Fromm is the clear starter, and it made no sense. Alabama stopped the ill advised play, took the ball down the field to score on a Hurts run for the 35-28 win. It was clear Bama was tight (DJ tight in a major championship) and not playing well while Georgia was playing well, so the Dawgs blew this one.

As for the other games, OU got revenge on Texas 39-27 in a very good game. Kyler Murray may have won the Heisman with his great performance yesterday. Clemson did the expected on Pitt 42-10, no worries there. Ohio St beat Northwestern, but may have needed to win by 50 (we will see). UCF came from way down to beat Memphis.

As for the playoff, it is both simple and complicated. The simple part is the best four teams are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and whoever you pick from ND, OU or Ohio St. The complicated part is the accomplishments which may exclude Georgia (who as a Gator I do not want winning) and then set up a debate between OU and Ohio St. If Georgia is left out, then the four best teams argument is laid to rest. I did not look at my first post this year, but I think I said that Bama, Clemson and Georgia were the three best then. After the regular season, I still believe that.    

Beerman, if the 4 best are truly picked, then it would be IMO as follows;

Alabama

Clemson

Notre Dame

Georgia

There is no way they will let Georgia play Alabama again IMO, there is no way ND drops to number 4 IMO, so I’m afraid Georgia gets screwed. 

As I, you and many have said all year. It appears there is Alabama, then Clemson and Georgia, then a drop off to ND, OU and Ohio St. I just can’t overlook Ohio St. losing by 29 to a 6 win Purdue, so they are out IMO. 

I don't think they will include Georgia, given it has two losses.  That means more than likely that OU gets in and OSU gets left out.  If UCF wants to get into the discussions, they will have to play some decent teams.

There really needs to be at least an 8 team playoff, you could have the champions of the big 5 conferences and then three at large.  One more game is not a big deal and I could argue going for a 16 team playoff even.

It ultimately comes down to TV viewership, and what the fans want to watch.  The college football world just saw a great game between Bama and Georgia and really doesn't want see a rematch.  I think everyone really now wants to see what Murray or Haskins can do against tthe Bama defense.  Saban won the right not to have to face Georgia again this year.

I personally like the current 4 team playoff format, even though I think the 8 team format will be inevitable. The 4 team format means EVERY game counts.  I don't think it was a given that BAMA was in if they lost to Georgia.  One  of the best games within the past 2 years, was the OSU- Michigan game 2 years ago that OSU won in OT and went on to the playoff, and Michigan was left out.  In an 8 team format, both teams would have been in the playoff and that game would have been meaningless.

On the other hand, an 8 team playoff would mean that 2 more of the New Years 6 bowl games would be more meaningful.  Other than the 2 playoff games, the other games weren't that interesting because the teams had nothing to play for.  The star players sat the games out to avoid injury.  UCF celebrated their win over Auburn, but Auburn had mentally checked of the game.

jburman82 posted:

Looks like FSU will hire Kendal Briles as OC. That feels gross to me. Rather have Mike Sanford and not deal with the baggage.

That being said, I think Briles is probably the best OC in college football. If FSU can pull 3 new oline starters from JUCO/grad transfer, they are a 10 win team next year. 

The schedule is certainly favorable for a 10 win season

Bagmen are everywhere. As an Auburn fan you should be familiar. Historically the 3 dirtiest programs in this regard have been Auburn, Clemson and Ole Miss. Im sure SC will back me up. 

If you cant see the difference between Richt's classes and the past 3 Smart classes, I dont know what to tell you. Im pretty sure it was last year they signed 10% of the rivals top 150. Thats insane.

Of course FSU bagmen, just not as good as other schools. We dont have the amount of big money boosters other schools have.

UGA is going to get Kair Elam. His dad is straight shopping him. Highest bidder. 

Dont get so defensive dude. Every big program has its skeletons. Big time CFB is a dirty, slime ridden business. Read my post, I said in this regard. I was clearly referring solely to the bagman.

Gotta get you back back on block. Guess the server changed cleared my settings. Dont get why you have such a problem with me. Anyway, Merry Christmas .

Clemson losing Dexter Lawrence could be significant. Failing a drug test at this juncture is beyond stupid for many reasons. In addition to losing a chance at a title he stayed in school to win, his draft stock will plummet (if he did this in college he may do it in an NFL playoff setting). Notre Dame may have a better chance than people think.

Most know I stay out of insulting schools. I pretty much have personal knowledge about Clemson (SC is  a small chummy state), but the ironic thing is now they do not have to cheat since they are established. Auburn and Alabama have had that reputation for my lifetime. Ole Miss got it under Freeze. Kirby is another dimension over Richt. Many of his players are out of state and he is getting a disproportionate share of five stars. If he ever becomes a good game day coach, look out.

The recruiting budgets for Alabama and Georgia are over $2.5 million per year. The Gator budget is $1.4 million, so Mullen did ok. Saban has 13 analysts in the office looking at film and contacting recruits, and Kirby learned that from him. As with the facilities arms race, it is getting out of hand. The same teams will continue to win.

Playoff Summary

Well, we got what we all knew was coming from mid-season, something that does not always happen in CFB. The problem is, certain schools have figured out a formula for success and have exploited the system to the max. I will leave the specifics to your imagination.

Game One pitted Notre Dame against Clemson, and it was not even a contest. Before I get into the conventional wisdom, let me say that I have the utmost respect for UND as an educational institution, but that may be the problem. A recent WSJ article detailed their last five or six recruiting classes which ranged from 11th to 18th. I am guessing that ND had to pass on some five star players, or they would not come to ND due to actually be required to take real classes, that the other powers would find a way to admit. Good coaching can take you so far, and at this level, the talent level showed. Clemson was without their best defensive player (Dexter Lawrence), and still held the Irish to their lowest point level in school bowl history.  That is because Clemson has about six other DLs who will play in the NFL. Dabo Swinney knew early on that he needed frosh gunslinger, the long haired lanky Trevor Lawrence to beat Bama so he benched senior Kelly Bryant (who immediately bailed). Lawrence has proven Dabo correct as he both idolizes and resembles Peyton Manning (please Panthers sell your soul to draft him in 2021). Add a stable of great WRS, yes Hunter is still there, and you have a complete team.

Game Two saw OU facing Alabama (the Death Star as CFB talk show host Bill King calls them) in Miami. OU did what they did all year, fall behind early and then score at will in the second half. The problem is that they were playing the Tide and not Texas Tech or Ok St. You have to give the Sooners a lot of props for rallying from a 28-0 hole to make this a game as many teams would have packed it in. While I think that Kyler Murray should indeed play MLB, provided he can hit the breaking ball, he did show that he was a worthy Heisman winner. Tua was fine, given that he received medical treatment generally given to royalty, going 24 for 27, and a perfect 10 for 10 with 4 TDs when blitzed.

Now we get the 4th consecutive playoff matchup between Clemson and Alabama, and the third in the title game. While it will be fun to watch, this is exactly meant by me saying it was boring during the season.

Props to the Sooners for fighting back, but that’s the wrong team to dig a hole for yourself to start the game.

Trevor Lawrence was able to pick on an inexperienced DB against the Catholics, but he won’t have that easy-out against Bama. Toward the end of the season, the SEC teams with the better DL's have been able to slow Bama's attack down, for at least part of the game - is Clemson's DL up to the task?

greendrazi posted:

There's a very good chance that the Sharks will out draw the CFC game.  Very good chance.  If the Warriors were playing tonight their local tv share would probably be double the football game.

The article is correct, interest in college football here is very low.  There's also no following for Alabama or Clemson locally, no alumni to speak of -  real or tailgate.  Those two schools don't travel well outside of the South so no one is flying in for the game.  Finally I think locally that football fans who have a heritage of Montana, Young, Garcia, Elway, Luck , Goff and Rodgers, consider Alabama and Clemson's brand of football monumentally boring.  

Tickets are going for 1/2 to 1/3 of face value and I have a friend with a suite that's going to go unused.  

arsenal4ever posted:

Considering the 49ers (100-139, 42%) and Raiders (85-159, 35%) records in the past 15 years, maybe the Bay Area should start following college football more. At least Stanford has won.

So about 10 years ago we're in a hotel in New Orleans having coffee in the lobby.  There's a family across from us and the guy is explaining to who I guess was his father in -law that: "He was a Georgia fan until he moved to Alabama.  Then he was an Auburn fan, because he just couldn't root for Bama.  Now of course he's an LSU fan since they live in Louisiana, but he still roots for Georgia if they're not playing LSU."

Stef turns to me and says: "Aren't you supposed to root for the school you went to?"  

I say: "That's not how it works down here".

It's exactly how it works here though.  There's really no following of any of the local college teams except by alumni.  No subway alumni or tail gate alumni or whatever you want to call them.

“Fans” that switch allegiance are rarely alumni in any region. College football has a much longer history in the SE region than professional sports and hence, has a larger following by non-alumni than most other areas. And the few pro teams that did start in the 60's were mostly run by families for profit, not success (i.e., few championships). The Dolphins had success back in the 70's, but Miami is not a part of the SE.

The streak continues. The number 1 seed has yet to win the championship.

Not only had Saban never lost by 28 points at Alabama, he had never trailed by 28 points. The first time since 2011 Alabama had zero sacks and zero turnovers. 

Bama played 3 top QB’s in their last 3 games and gave up over 1000 yards in passing in the 3 games.  Bama went scoreless the last 44 minutes, and Clemson held ND to 3 points all while one of their very best players was suspended. When does Brent Venables start getting more consideration for a head coaching job? 

Wow just wow. The evil empire just got crushed, dominated, whatever word you like to describe it. Yes, Clemson got a lot of breaks, but there is no doubt who was the better team.

Dabo is now an all time great coach. He is the ultimate culture guy as people love to work for him, unlike Saban. He a has DC in Venables (sorry W2A but that is OU's biggest mistake) who is financially secure without the headaches. He has two co-OCs who are Clemson alumni. This feels like the FSU staff which stayed together during their great run. Clemson is the new king of the hill and could be for a while.

RECRUITING MATTERS! If some of you from outside the SE wonder why we are so obsessed with recruiting, last night showed why. Trevor Lawrence was making throws that 1/3 of NFL QBs could not make. Pencil him in for a 15 year NFL career. Justyn Ross may be another generational talent at WR. You win championships with exceptional talents.

And finally, Hunter Renfrow has decided to retire from Clemson.

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