College Football 2012

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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
ND +8.5 who wants to lose some wine to me? Cool


I think the line will settle closer to 7, but ill take Bama and lay the 8.5. What do you want to give up when the Tide rolls... Big Grin


I've got a SQN the Raven mag I can put up. Got any Bordeaux to put up?
I will send you my list again, im sure we can agree upon something
Manti wins the Butkus and Nagurski awards. Hopefully the Hei5man is next.

Fun facts about the championship game. ND is staying at the Westin Diplomat in Hollywood. Nice and far from the temptations of South Beach. Alabama is staying at the Fountainblue, the hottest party hotel in south beach and home to Club Liv, the hottest night club in south beach.
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Originally posted by CSM:
Arkansas seems to have a penchant for hiring weasels. First Petrino quits on his team to coach there and now Bielema does the same.


Someday we will know why Bielema leaves a successful program at Wisconsin, and his midwestern background to go coach at Arkansas. Right now i have no idea. Most of us from Wisconsin are in some state of shock at the moment.....
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Originally posted by khmark7:
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Originally posted by CSM:
Arkansas seems to have a penchant for hiring weasels. First Petrino quits on his team to coach there and now Bielema does the same.


Someday we will know why Bielema leaves a successful program at Wisconsin, and his midwestern background to go coach at Arkansas. Right now i have no idea. Most of us from Wisconsin are in some state of shock at the moment.....


Still pi$$ed at him that he couldn't turn a Montee Ball Russell Wilson combo into a BCS Title game appearance never mind losing in the Rose Bowl. That being said his regular season record is impressive. Wonder if Paul Chryst will come back to the Badgers from Pitt?
Looks like FSU and one other ACC school, not sure which, to the Big 12 is in the works. That's the death knell for the ACC. Big 10, SEC and Big 12 will pick over the scraps and four 16 team super conferences here we come.



I wonder what this does to ND. I was hoping the ACC would pick off the big 12 so ND could go full time ACC. I really don't want ND to go to the Big 10.
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
I wonder what this does to ND. I was hoping the ACC would pick off the big 12 so ND could go full time ACC. I really don't want ND to go to the Big 10.


Big 10[14] seems to be the most logical fit for ND, but I imagine they'll stay indpendent, cand keep all of that NBC money to themselves, for as long as they possibly can.
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
I wonder what this does to ND. I was hoping the ACC would pick off the big 12 so ND could go full time ACC. I really don't want ND to go to the Big 10.


Big 10[14] seems to be the most logical fit for ND, but I imagine they'll stay indpendent, cand keep all of that NBC money to themselves, for as long as they possibly can.


This is one of the biggest myths in college football. ND actually makes less in TV money than most BCS schools.
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
I wonder what this does to ND. I was hoping the ACC would pick off the big 12 so ND could go full time ACC. I really don't want ND to go to the Big 10.


Big 10[14] seems to be the most logical fit for ND, but I imagine they'll stay indpendent, cand keep all of that NBC money to themselves, for as long as they possibly can.


This is one of the biggest myths in college football. ND actually makes less in TV money than most BCS schools.


Isn't it like $15 million per season just for ND football? I've always understood that the network contracts for the BCS schools include both football and basketball, so the amount ND gets for football exceeds the amount attributable to the BCS schools just for football, but I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by LBJ2012FinalsMVPisclutch:
I wonder what this does to ND. I was hoping the ACC would pick off the big 12 so ND could go full time ACC. I really don't want ND to go to the Big 10.


Big 10[14] seems to be the most logical fit for ND, but I imagine they'll stay indpendent, cand keep all of that NBC money to themselves, for as long as they possibly can.


This is one of the biggest myths in college football. ND actually makes less in TV money than most BCS schools.


Isn't it like $15 million per season just for ND football? I've always understood that the network contracts for the BCS schools include both football and basketball, so the amount ND gets for football exceeds the amount attributable to the BCS schools just for football, but I could be wrong.


Football and basketball are separate deals. The ACC just negotiated a new football only contract with Disney (ABC). Each school gets $17.1 million per year. ND gets $15 million per year. Duke and Wake Forest get more money per year than ND. The SEC and Big 10 teams are in the low to mid $20 millions. Im not sure about the Pac 10 and Big 12. ND doesnt have the sweetheart tv deal everyone constantly complains about.
Wanted:

Head football coach - stadium of 100,000 plus on the banks of a beautiful river, multiple SEC championships, national champs 1998, top 10 program all-time

Tennessee has been turned down by Jon Gruden (fantasy), Mike Gundy (now over 40 and still a man), Al Golden (likes Miami's probation better than Tenn's), Charley Strong (likes ACC), Sonny Dykes (headed to Cal) and Kirby Smart. We are down to Tommy Tuberville or Tommy Bowden.
Would appreciate a "Hail Southern" from y'all this Saturday as we head to Norfolk for our quarterfinal playoff game with Old Dominion. We're ranked 6th, ODU is ranked 4th, we have the #1 rushing offense in all of college football (FCS/FBS), and ODU puts up 340+ yrds of passing per game.

A rematch from our 55-48 win in last years' playoffs, I know the Monarchs are looking for a little revenge. Plus, a win puts us back on the plane to Fargo for a semi-final rematch with N. Dakota St.

G-man has had a great season, our only offensive lineman to take every snap. If you get a few minutes, tune into the game on ESPN Saturday 12/8 @ 12:00P. Go #58, and go Eagles!

GATA!
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Originally posted by scbeerman:
Wanted:

Head football coach - stadium of 100,000 plus on the banks of a beautiful river, multiple SEC championships, national champs 1998, top 10 program all-time

Tennessee has been turned down by Jon Gruden (fantasy), Mike Gundy (now over 40 and still a man), Al Golden (likes Miami's probation better than Tenn's), Charley Strong (likes ACC), Sonny Dykes (headed to Cal) and Kirby Smart. We are down to Tommy Tuberville or Tommy Bowden.


What about Charlie Weis? Can't see him disliking the BBQ...
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Originally posted by scbeerman:
Wanted:

Head football coach - stadium of 100,000 plus on the banks of a beautiful river, multiple SEC championships, national champs 1998, top 10 program all-time

Tennessee has been turned down by Jon Gruden (fantasy), Mike Gundy (now over 40 and still a man), Al Golden (likes Miami's probation better than Tenn's), Charley Strong (likes ACC), Sonny Dykes (headed to Cal) and Kirby Smart. We are down to Tommy Tuberville or Tommy Bowden.

I think Rick Neuheisel is still available.

Seriously what are the negatives that would cause all these potential coaches to turn down the opportunity?
Dick;

Schools such as TN want to win the SEC, every fricking year, or they fire their coaches. Win a National BCS Championship, that was 2 years ago, you're fired (Auburn). Some of these schools, such as TN, are crazy, they'll won' even allow the coach time to develop his team. My guess if TN's new coach "only goes 9-3 in a two years, he'll be gone. Most don't want the headache or pressures.
Such is life in the ultra-competitive SEC. To be fair with Tennessee, they were 1-7 in each of last last two years in conference play, and it is obvious that Dooley was not the guy. Gene Chizik will go down as the worst coach to ever win a national title. He was 5-19 at Iowa State before he came to Auburn, and 8-5, 7-5 and 3-9 in his other three years at Auburn. We all know why he had that big year, and those guys come once in about every three decades. These coaches know what they are getting into when they accept an SEC job, especially at schools with a winning history.

W+A, you can google 10 ten winning programs and get a variety of answers. Your Sooners are prominently near the top of every list.
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Originally posted by scbeerman:


W+A, you can google 10 ten winning programs and get a variety of answers. Your Sooners are prominently near the top of every list.


Ah, all-time wins was the criteria. Was not sure that was the case.

In that case, Harvard and Penn are top 10, and Princeton just behind Tennessee. Big Grin
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by scbeerman:


top 10 program all-time



Who are the top 10 all-time?


Interesting question, and there are probably logical arguments to put any ten of about 18 different teams into someone's top-10.

In my simple formula, I use the AP poll, and give 10 points for an end-of-season AP #1 ranking, and 1 point for any finish in the AP top-10 other than #1. Here's how they rank:
1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Ohio State
6. Nebraska
7. Miami (FL)
8. Michigan
9. Texas
10 Minnesota

This is also an interesting analysis, which I think W+A will prefer Wink
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Originally posted by Redhawk:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by scbeerman:


top 10 program all-time



Who are the top 10 all-time?


Interesting question, and there are probably logical arguments to put any ten of about 18 different teams into someone's top-10.

In my simple formula, I use the AP poll, and give 10 points for an end-of-season AP #1 ranking, and 1 point for any finish in the AP top-10 other than #1. Here's how they rank:
1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Ohio State
6. Nebraska
7. Miami (FL)
8. Michigan
9. Texas
10 Minnesota

This is also an interesting analysis, which I think W+A will prefer Wink


I'm thinking the results are flawed. Dominance for a period of 10 years seems to be able to matter here...and we'll, when is the last time Minnesota was relevant? 1932?

Lets take FL for example. All 3 major schools in FL were pretty much on par until 1983. Then UM went and won 4 titles between 1983 and 1991.

In the last 20 years, UM has 1, FSU has 2 and UF has 3.

Sometimes, all-time rankings rest on their laurels
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
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Originally posted by Redhawk:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by scbeerman:


top 10 program all-time



Who are the top 10 all-time?


Interesting question, and there are probably logical arguments to put any ten of about 18 different teams into someone's top-10.

In my simple formula, I use the AP poll, and give 10 points for an end-of-season AP #1 ranking, and 1 point for any finish in the AP top-10 other than #1. Here's how they rank:
1. Alabama
2. Notre Dame
3. Oklahoma
4. USC
5. Ohio State
6. Nebraska
7. Miami (FL)
8. Michigan
9. Texas
10 Minnesota

This is also an interesting analysis, which I think W+A will prefer Wink


I'm thinking the results are flawed. Dominance for a period of 10 years seems to be able to matter here...and we'll, when is the last time Minnesota was relevant? 1932?

AP poll didn't start until 1936. Minnesota's championships were 1940 to 1960. That's 20 years of relavance, and some good years extending on either end. I will admit Minnesota has not really been relevant since 1961, but how many programs have FOUR AP national titles? Anyway, the question was "best programs ever", not "best programs lately". And, as I said, there are about 18 teams that could fit into a "top 10" list, depending on your criteria.

Lets take FL for example. All 3 major schools in FL were pretty much on par until 1983. Then UM went and won 4 titles between 1983 and 1991.

In the last 20 years, UM has 1, FSU has 2 and UF has 3.

Miami FL was actually relevant prior to the 1980's. They had some good teams in the mid 50's, and also a top-10 team in 1966. You are right that Florida State was nothing until they appeared on the scene in 1979, and Florida's first top-10 appearance was in 1986, I believe. Note also how one elite coach can take a mediocre program and make it relevant.


Sometimes, all-time rankings rest on their laurels
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:


In the last 20 years, UM has 1, FSU has 2 and UF has 3.

Sometimes, all-time rankings rest on their laurels


LOL

All-time means just that, all-time. Your 20 years is just gerrymandering. Next month one could say the last 4 years and all would be from Alabama, and all-time is just resting on their laurels. Big Grin

Like Redhawk said well, some programs had one great run with one elite coach.
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Originally posted by vinole:


Oklahoma has ONE NC in the last TWENTY FIVE years. 0-3 in Championship games since their last one in 2000. I wouldn't be laughing at those programs.

LOL


Confused

Um, I laughed at the gerrymandering of the question ...all-time. That seems rather obvious. Roll Eyes

As for BCS Championships, yes, OU has 1, Fla State has 1, and Florida has 2. Did someone take issue with that?

Florida State has not played in the championship game since their loss to OU in 12 years, Miami since their loss in 2002.

Are you saying their lack of even playing in the game has meaning, win or lose? That big bad ass ACC. LOL

...back to the question posed, all-time. Big Grin
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by vinole:


Oklahoma has ONE NC in the last TWENTY FIVE years. 0-3 in Championship games since their last one in 2000. I wouldn't be laughing at those programs.

LOL


Confused

Um, I laughed at the gerrymandering of the question ...all-time. That seems rather obvious. Roll Eyes

As for BCS Championships, yes, OU has 1, Fla State has 1, and Florida has 2. Did someone take issue with that?

Florida State has not played in the championship game since their loss to OU in 12 years, Miami since their loss in 2002.

Are you saying their lack of even playing in the game has meaning, win or lose? That big bad ass ACC. LOL

...back to the question posed, all-time. Big Grin


My bad. I apparently didn't delete my post fast enough. I broke my own cardinal rule of never replying to w+a regarding Oklahoma football, Cellartracker, or Lebron James. My apologies to the rest of the board.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by vinole:

My bad. I apparently didn't delete my post fast enough. I broke my own cardinal rule of never replying to w+a regarding Oklahoma football, Cellartracker, or Lebron James. My apologies to the rest of the board.


Big Grin


And how could I forget footwear? Wink

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