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College Football 2010

S scbeermanMember
It is time to get this thread going. This is the time of year that all of us college football fanatics want kickoff tomorrow, but we have to wait the 40 or so days until that happens. I am eagerly awaiting the usual suspects and their opinions.

As for the coming year, we have;

SEC - the league is trying for an unprecendented fifth consecutive national title. Bama and Florida are the only two teams with the roster to do this. In fact, Saban is now a "diety" in the state of Alabama. We also have a problem with agents which could extend past the SEC. Bobby Johnson resigned unexpectedly from Vandy last week. We have one coach firmly on the hot seat, and that is Les Miles of LSU (easily the dumbest coach to win a national title). To a lesser extent, Mark Richt of Georgia is beginning to hear grumbles.

In the ACC, past powers FSU and Miami are talking returning to the top. Due to rosters, I see both teams having very good years, but not ready to be BCS title contenders. Each have a big early season test, with Miami playing at Ohio St. and FSU playing Oklahoma. Va. Tech and Ga. Tech will figure in the ACC race.

On the national scene, I am hearing OU, Texas and Ohio State as contenders. Iowa is also highly regarded this year. Brian Kelly takes over at Notre Dame. Of course, everyone has Boise State running the table and TCU should be good as well.

I cannot wait. Let's get this thing going!
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J jgreenMember
Agree- cant wait. College football and basketball are by far and away my favorite two sports. I am a Pac 10 guy (go Bruins!)- lot of parity in the league this year. Oregon would have been big favorite but without Masoli down a bit. OSU, USC, Cal all pretty even. Look for my Bruins to be most improved team. They have a brutal schedule (at Texas, Oregon, & Cal) and a pretty tough non-conference (@ Kansas St, Houston, @ TX) so W-L may ot be as good as I'd liek but think they'll be piositioned to be national contender in 2011 and beyond. They have some studs (Ayers & Moore) and an awesome incoming group of freshman. Can't wait for Saturdays in the fall!
J jburman82Member
FSU - I'd be happy with a 2-3 loss season. Their offense should be excellent with Ponder a sleeper Heisman Canidate but I have a lot of qustions about their D

UF - should come back to the pack now that TebagTebow is gone. Their D is still very good though.

ND - yet another coaching change and with comes the standard talk of playing tougher, faster, smarter etc. Roll Eyes Im not jumping on the Kelly bandwagon until I see some wins.

The NC is pretty wide open this year. I dont love Bama just because I dont think they can throw it very well. Ingram makes up for that alot though.

I recently hung a LCD tv outside so I am mostly looking forward to watching the games with a cold beer from my new pool this year. Cool
D duckfaninmtMember
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Originally posted by jgreen:
Oregon would have been big favorite but without Masoli down a bit.


I gotta believe that with all of the talent they have available, the Ducks will be fine with or without Masoli. Once again this year, their season will be determined by the defense and whether or not they show up to play (you can't keep allowing the other team to score a ton of points and hope your offense can simply score more).

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Can't wait for Saturdays in the fall!


Best time of the year, no question about it!
S stickmanMember
Thanks for getting us going, scbeerman. Can't wait for the pads to start popping, but the news right now is all about agents. I'm glad to see a guy like Saban (someone with high credibility in both college and pro) go on the offensive on the issue. It truly does seem that the only entities that are genuinely penalized are the colleges and the players left in the wake - not the guy who committed the infraction, not the agent who committed the infraction, and not the NFL, who benefitted from the player's new status. USC returned their copy of Bush's Heisman trophy, but Reggie gets to keep his?! Eek Confused Who actually committed the infraction, for #$%^&*&^%$?!!! Reggie should be raked over the coals for what he's done to USC. Saban and his team lost their best defensive tackle before his '09 Sugar Bowl because of illegal actions of an agent. Was the agent penalized? In that case, Saban's lucky that they found out in time, because if they had played with Smith in that game, they would have been punished further. Why? - Because they wouldn't have found out about somebody else's misbehavior in time?! Roll Eyes

On a brighter note, it's a good time to be a Buckeye fan. Spirits and expectations are high, coming off a convincing performance in last year's Rose Bowl performance. The team seems for the most part to be staying healthy and out-of-trouble. With Wisconsin and Iowa looking strong this year (and with an early-season matchup with a talented Miami team), if OSU ends up in a top bowl or even in the NC, Buckeye fans can hope (perhaps against the odds) to hear less whining from haters than in the past.

I'm looking forward to seeing which cream rises to the top this year. Personally I find it hard not to like Brian Kelly, but I think there will be significant growing pains at ND. Like Rich Rod in Michigan, their predecessors were recruiting players for a very different system than they run; good luck to the players trying to adapt.

World Cup, Lebron, Tiger, blah-blah-blah. Whatever; let's just get back to the college gridiron already! Big Grin
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by stickman:
Thanks for getting us going, scbeerman. Can't wait for the pads to start popping, but the news right now is all about agents. I'm glad to see a guy like Saban (someone with high credibility in both college and pro) go on the offensive on the issue. It truly does seem that the only entities that are genuinely penalized are the colleges and the players left in the wake - not the guy who committed the infraction, not the agent who committed the infraction, and not the NFL, who benefitted from the player's new status. USC returned their copy of Bush's Heisman trophy, but Reggie gets to keep his?! Eek Confused Who actually committed the infraction, for #$%^&*&^%$?!!! Reggie should be raked over the coals for what he's done to USC. Saban and his team lost their best defensive tackle before his '09 Sugar Bowl because of illegal actions of an agent. Was the agent penalized? In that case, Saban's lucky that they found out in time, because if they had played with Smith in that game, they would have been punished further. Why? - Because they wouldn't have found out about somebody else's misbehavior in time?! Roll Eyes


What do you think about paying these guys like the professionals they are? I mean surely the NCAA can spare a little of the billions of dollars these guys earn for them. If they got paid something it would make the temptation much less.
S stickmanMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
What do you think about paying these guys like the professionals they are? I mean surely the NCAA can spare a little of the billions of dollars these guys earn for them. If they got paid something it would make the temptation much less.


A school-administered stipend does make sense to me. One of the main problems, as I see it, is being fair about who gets them. Everyone on the team? Everyone the same amount? Just the guys on full scholarship? Then more widely, why not the basketball and baseball teams? If you include them, where does it stop? Volleyball, tennis, golf, etc.? The larger question of 'how' is very difficult, but the essential question of 'do they deserve it' seems clear to me.

You take a student-athlete, many of whom come from true hardship backgrounds, put them in a schedule which essentially prevents them from taking a significant part-time job to make a little money, and the only real pay-back time is when they leave? It sounds like a recipe for problems, doesn't it? A small stipend isn't going to prevent the extreme cases like Reggie Bush, in which houses, cars, celebrity parties, etc. are in play, but it certainly would address the true need cases and the resentment that builds up when these young men see everyone around them making serious $ off of their performance.
W wine+artMember
quote:
Originally posted by scbeerman:
It is time to get this thread going. This is the time of year that all of us college football fanatics want kickoff tomorrow, but we have to wait the 40 or so days until that happens. I am eagerly awaiting the usual suspects and their opinions.

As for the coming year, we have;

SEC - the league is trying for an unprecendented fifth consecutive national title. Bama and Florida are the only two teams with the roster to do this. In fact, Saban is now a "diety" in the state of Alabama. We also have a problem with agents which could extend past the SEC. Bobby Johnson resigned unexpectedly from Vandy last week. We have one coach firmly on the hot seat, and that is Les Miles of LSU (easily the dumbest coach to win a national title). To a lesser extent, Mark Richt of Georgia is beginning to hear grumbles.

In the ACC, past powers FSU and Miami are talking returning to the top. Due to rosters, I see both teams having very good years, but not ready to be BCS title contenders. Each have a big early season test, with Miami playing at Ohio St. and FSU playing Oklahoma. Va. Tech and Ga. Tech will figure in the ACC race.

On the national scene, I am hearing OU, Texas and Ohio State as contenders. Iowa is also highly regarded this year. Brian Kelly takes over at Notre Dame. Of course, everyone has Boise State running the table and TCU should be good as well.

I cannot wait. Let's get this thing going!


scbeerman, Thank You for starting this thread. My favorite time of the year, and without debate.
vinolevinoleMember
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by stickman:
I'm glad to see a guy like Saban (someone with high credibility in both college and pro) go on the offensive on the issue.

Where was his credibility when he looked reporters directly in their faces and claimed that he was not leaving the Miami Dolphins for the University of Alabama?


Big Grin
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by stickman:
I'm glad to see a guy like Saban (someone with high credibility in both college and pro) go on the offensive on the issue.

Where was his credibility when he looked reporters directly in their faces and claimed that he was not leaving the Miami Dolphins for the University of Alabama?


Stickman, I find it laughable that a guy like Saban has the gall to call someone else a pimp. How about these big name college coaches look in their own backyard and get grad rates to acceptable levels instead of shoving these kids into useless majors and doing everything possible to keep them eligible and nothing to help them prepare for life after football.

Saban is a scumbag of the highest order.
T terrancedMember
It's been a tough decade for us ND fans. Now I know what it's like to be a Red sox fan. Well at least prior to the curse being broken.

Huge hopes for a great season. You would think that with what Kelly did at Cincy, he should get better recruits and be able to great things at ND. I love ND but find my self watching all the good games, fantastic sport.

Is there a better Sat morning than that 1st College Gameday show? It's like Christmas.
S stickmanMember
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Originally posted by vinole:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by stickman:
I'm glad to see a guy like Saban (someone with high credibility in both college and pro) go on the offensive on the issue.

Where was his credibility when he looked reporters directly in their faces and claimed that he was not leaving the Miami Dolphins for the University of Alabama?

Big Grin


Okay, point well-taken. Perhaps 'credibility' wasn't the best word to represent what I meant, which was simply that he knows and has experienced both sides of the college/pro divide.
S stickmanMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Stickman, I find it laughable that a guy like Saban has the gall to call someone else a pimp. How about these big name college coaches look in their own backyard and get grad rates to acceptable levels instead of shoving these kids into useless majors and doing everything possible to keep them eligible and nothing to help them prepare for life after football.

Saban is a scumbag of the highest order.


Wow, what to say. I don't think anything I could say would change your opinion of Saban, and frankly I don't care to make it my business to defend him, so I'll just leave it at, "He may be the scumbag you say he is, but I'm still glad that somebody is taking a proactive role in defense of their collegiate institutions." Seriously, who else has comparable credentials to speak out on the issue? Pete Carroll? Ya, he should probably just stay out of it, IMHO.
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
quote:
Originally posted by stickman:
quote:
Originally posted by jburman82:
Stickman, I find it laughable that a guy like Saban has the gall to call someone else a pimp. How about these big name college coaches look in their own backyard and get grad rates to acceptable levels instead of shoving these kids into useless majors and doing everything possible to keep them eligible and nothing to help them prepare for life after football.

Saban is a scumbag of the highest order.


Wow, what to say. I don't think anything I could say would change your opinion of Saban, and frankly I don't care to make it my business to defend him, so I'll just leave it at, "He may be the scumbag you say he is, but I'm still glad that somebody is taking a proactive role in defense of their collegiate institutions." Seriously, who else has comparable credentials to speak out on the issue? Pete Carroll? Ya, he should probably just stay out of it, IMHO.


Stick,

This is the same guy who loved the biggest dirtbag coach in college football...hard for him to throw stones Big Grin

Now in light of the Bell, CA scandal...its a damn shame that Bobby Bowden WAS the highest paid state employee and used taxpayers funds using state owned aircraft for recruiting business that was not reimbursed at full "ACTUAL" cost.

Lets hope Jimbo has some integrity.
J jburman82Member
Pinot and Stick, I dont mean to single out Saban. Its all college coaches. They are the pimps. The lie, cheat and steal to get kids into their schools and then abandon them after the kids get hurt or prove to not be very good. It is strictly a one way street and its bull$hit. Bowden did it. Meyer does it. So does Brown, Davis and Miles. Kifin is one of the worst at it but not as bad as Rodrigez. Check out the graduation rates at Michigan and look at how many players on the team are pushed into the extremely easy and useless general studies major.

One of Saban's "proactive" ideas is to ban NFL scouts from campus. Yeah, thats really going to help your kids and protect them from agents. Roll Eyes

Thats the big problem. No major college coach has the credibility to speak out on this issue. Their all pimps.

EDIT: HERE is a great article by Mark Kriegel of Fox Sports. Pay special attention to the part about Saban declining to press for criminal prosecution of the agent that got Andre Smith suspended because it might have put his program in a bad spot. Yeah, he's willing to lead the charge as long as it doesnt affect him. Total Douche.
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BRRBRRMember
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Originally posted by stickman:
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Originally posted by BRR:
I'm so stoked for this season, primarily because I think my UW Huskies are going to surprise some people.


I see nothing but improvement in Washington's foreseeable future. 'Good feeling, isn't it?


I sure hope you're right, and happen to agree. I really love what Sark brings to the table: energy, history of success, and an unwillingness to tolerate morons as evidenced by the Dawgs getting rid of Kavario Middleton. He was a great player, but made a stupid decision and Sark let him go. Good for him.
G gigabitMember
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Originally posted by vinole:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Speaking of scumbags...

Memo to Lane Kiffin: What comes around, goes around.


Totally agree. But USC got it right by canning Garrett as AD and bringing in Pat Haden, former Rhode Scholar and class guy.

Agreed.

I heard a couple of interviews with Haden this week; he didn't exactly give Kiffin a rousing endorsement.
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by vinole:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Speaking of scumbags...

Memo to Lane Kiffin: What comes around, goes around.


Totally agree. But USC got it right by canning Garrett as AD and bringing in Pat Haden, former Rhode Scholar and class guy.

Agreed.

I heard a couple of interviews with Haden this week; he didn't exactly give Kiffin a rousing endorsement.


Theres been alot of chatter in the media that giving back Bush's Heisman was an empty gesture and that if he really wants to show the NCAA they are changing their ways he will fire Kiffin.

I dont think he will but Kiffin better find a way to win fast even with these restrictions or he could find himself out of a job real quick.
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