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Good rule of thumb highdesertwine.
Similarly, unfined/filtered pinot can often be very cloudy. Bass Phillip is a Victorian pinot producer, considered one of the best wineries in Australia for the variety, and some of his pinots are almost opaque they have so much sediment. Cheaper pinots all tend to be fined/filtered, so should appear clear. Any cloudiness in these wines likely represents bacterial spoilage, though this is a rare problem with modern winemaking practices.

Wine tastes better upside down.
Wineries normally 'cold stabilize' a wine to prevent this happening. To do with tartrates falling out of solution when a wine is chilled. Wineries only do it for asthetics, to avoid questions like this. The wine quality should not be affected.

Ever enjoyed a fine single malt on the rocks and experienced the same phenomonen? Same thing. It is only asthetics. All white wines are generally cold stabilized, very few reds are. Wineries assume people wont chill their reds, and if they do, they wont notice cloudiness of crystals through the darker glass.

Having just watched the presidential debate, I'm in the mode of responding either: "It depends", or "There are two sides to everything".

So what would they say about cloudy wine? Beats me. But I can tell you what I think: I don't like it. In the scheme of wine characteristics: Nose; Color; Taste; Layers; Balance; Clarity / Cloudiness, or more technically measured-- "turbidity", I put it somewhat lower on the list. But I've had a number of cloudy wines (not to be confused with "opaque" or "extracted"), and I consider it a "flawed" wine.

Cloudiness can also go beyond the visual aspect of the wine. There is often some linkage to texture / mouth feel, and can be some linkage to the nose of the wine. I just don't want my wine to taste or look like it was made in a blender. I believe that Mr. Parker has so beat the "unfiltered / unfined" drum, that many winemakers have come to believe that doing anything to a wine to get the chunks out is a step backwards. Of course, there is a matter of degree in this discussion (and that is where the situation is measured... via "turbidity" testing). I don't think all wine needs to look like a bottle of Evian, but I sure don't want it to resemble pineapple juice either.

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Originally posted by JoeyOz:

Ever enjoyed a fine single malt on the rocks and experienced the same phenomonen?


A drop of water maybe, but ice? NEVER!

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Unfined/unfiltered wines do not need to be cloudy, if the work in the vineyard is done GENTLY, and the work in the cellar is done GENTLY, and the juice is pressed GENTLY and handled GENTLY, minimizing solids in the must. There are some real "rackmasters" out there in the industry, working with surgeon-like precision and care to deliver us a great tasting, high-quality, commercially clean and acceptable product. The comment about the unfiltered, hazy chardonnay being sent back is a key point - despite what Parker or anyone else says, consumers do not understand or want cloudy wine. There is a point at which it is commercially unnacceptable. Some Marcassin Chardonnays I have had looked absolutely aweful, and I believe Ms. Turley probably thinks it's the right thing to do.

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