Brief article on wine & cigar pairings.
Welcome to Ask a Somm, a column in which experts from across the country answer questions about wine. Wondering about a bottle? Drop us a line.
This past May, Brahm Callahan of Grill 23 & Bar in Boston was one of the scholarly seven who passed the Master Sommelier exam, and at just 31 years of age, too. In addition to overseeing the steakhouse's 1,700 bottle list, Callahan plus staff recently rolled out a cigar takeaway service in conjunction with nearby tobacco shop L.J. Peretti. So while guests can't exactly smoke inside the restaurant, they can order a cigar that a server will present tableside, prepped and ready to be puffed upon exit.
Callahan actually grew up working in shade tobacco, picking and hanging leaves through most of his teenage years. And as a newly crowned M.S., he's more than adept at pairing the two. Below, Callahan suggests wines which best pair with cigars.
Q: What kind of wine best complements cigars? Can I drink anything?
Callahan: There are plenty of options with a cigar, though reds tend to be best.
The Rocky Patel Decade Torpedo is one of my absolute favorite cigars, with notes of coffee, nuts, earth and leather. My favorite pairing with this cigar is a bottle of Rioja. The La Rioja Alta Viña Ardanza Reserva Especial 2005 ($24) is especially delicious. With notes of coconut, sawdust, dried cherries and smoked meat, it has just enough earthy notes to play with the Patel, while also standing in contrast and not getting run over by the cigar.
There are plenty of options with a cigar, though reds tend to be best.
For a lighter bodied cigar, such as the Davidoff Classic No. 2 (which has sweeter notes and peppery spice), a Riesling goes perfect with it—I love the Dr. Loosen Erdener Treppchen Spatlese 2013 ($30). The Loosen is extremely aromatic with notes of jasmine, peach blossom, and ripe stone fruits like apricot and peach, and really plays on the sweeter notes of this cigar. While there is some sweetness to this wine as well, it has ripping acid that will help cleanse the palate and make each draw on the cigar brighter.
I love Amarone with cigars because it has acid, tannin, lots of alcohol and tons of bold flavors that can stand up to a cigar. It’s definitely an aggressive wine, so it needs an aggressive cigar to really make it shine. A cigar like Padron Imperial is a seriously bold smoke. All the tobacco is sun-grown with a maduro wrapper, so there is some sweetness. It goes great with an Amarone—my go-to is the Tomasso Bussola, TB 2007 ($100). The process is what makes Amarone special: the grapes are dried for months on mats in barns just outside of Lake Garda in Italy, concentrating the flavors and resulting in more sugar, but also lots of alcohol, which helps to volatilize the aromatics. Amarone is floral (dried roses, violets), savory (smoke, char), earthy (tobacco, leaves), while still having sweet fruit (ripe, lush cherries; plums, blackberries).
... stay away from wines that don’t have enough personality, body or intensity to stand up to a cigar. ..
With something like Arturo Fuente Anejo Extra Viejo 55 T, it’s a Connecticut River Valley wrapper (maduro though, so it’s sweeter) with Dominican fill. It’s a round, velvety smoke, so it goes great with a Napa Cabernet. I love Continuum, Napa 2010 ($170). The pairing here is really based on the soft, silky mouthfeel of the cigar with the lush, ripe sweet tannins and the feel of a great Napa Cab. The sweetness of the wrapper will play off the spiciness of the Continuum. Continuum is located on Pritchard Hill, which is almost all volcanic soils—resulting in a fair amount of exotic spice and lift. On top of that, this cigar is aged in Cognac barrels, so there is a sweet wood note that plays really well with the silky wood tannins of the French oak used at Continuum.
As to what doesn’t work with cigars, I would stay away from wines that don’t have enough personality, body or intensity to stand up to a cigar— so Chardonnay, Pinot Grigio, etc. and lighter reds like Gamay or New World Pinot.
Nice article. I remember when you could smoke a cigar in Grill 23. Went to a few nice smoking dinners put on by L.J. Peretti too. I won a box of Teamo Cigars at one of them. I hated them, but the worked great for my cousin who was always mooching cigars off me at the golf course.
I probably would have paired the Rocky Patel Decade with a coffee though, and maybe spike the coffee with Amaretto of Frangelico.
But if I have a wine that is that is disappointingly tannic, I will often enjoy it with a powerful cigar. Something like a La Gloria Habana Wavell works well. It can give the wine a new life.
I probably would have paired the Rocky Patel Decade with a coffee though, and maybe spike the coffee with Amaretto of Frangelico.
But if I have a wine that is that is disappointingly tannic, I will often enjoy it with a powerful cigar. Something like a La Gloria Habana Wavell works well. It can give the wine a new life.
Iconic Recluse OTG
La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero
It's been ages since I've seen you post about an BHK, w+a.
Did you run out? Are they no longer accessible there?
quote:Originally posted by KSC02:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero
It's been ages since I've seen you post about an BHK, w+a.
Did you run out? Are they no longer accessible there?
I'm down to two, and saving them both till I can reload.
La Sirena Trident
Fuente Fuente Opus X #2, from 2001. Still a powerful, but smooth, smoke even after all these years.
quote:Originally posted by mdsphoto:
Brief article on wine & cigar pairings.
Welcome to Ask a Somm, a column in which experts from across the country answer questions about wine. Wondering about a bottle? Drop us a line.
This past May, Brahm Callahan of Grill 23 & Bar in Boston was one of the scholarly seven who passed the Master Sommelier exam, and at just 31 years of age, too. In addition to overseeing the steakhouse's 1,700 bottle list, Callahan plus staff recently rolled out a cigar takeaway service in conjunction with nearby tobacco shop L.J. Peretti. So while guests can't exactly smoke inside the restaurant, they can order a cigar that a server will present tableside, prepped and ready to be puffed upon exit.
Callahan actually grew up working in shade tobacco, picking and hanging leaves through most of his teenage years. And as a newly crowned M.S., he's more than adept at pairing the two. Below, Callahan suggests wines which best pair with cigars.
Q: What kind of wine best complements cigars? Can I drink anything?
Callahan: There are plenty of options with a cigar, though reds tend to be best.
The Rocky Patel Decade Torpedo is one of my absolute favorite cigars, with notes of coffee, nuts, earth and leather. My favorite pairing with this cigar is a bottle of Rioja. The La Rioja Alta Viña Ardanza Reserva Especial 2005 ($24) is especially delicious. With notes of coconut, sawdust, dried cherries and smoked meat, it has just enough earthy notes to play with the Patel, while also standing in contrast and not getting run over by the cigar.
There are plenty of options with a cigar, though reds tend to be best.
For a lighter bodied cigar, such as the Davidoff Classic No. 2 (which has sweeter notes and peppery spice), a Riesling goes perfect with it—I love the Dr. Loosen Erdener Treppchen Spatlese 2013 ($30). The Loosen is extremely aromatic with notes of jasmine, peach blossom, and ripe stone fruits like apricot and peach, and really plays on the sweeter notes of this cigar. While there is some sweetness to this wine as well, it has ripping acid that will help cleanse the palate and make each draw on the cigar brighter.
I love Amarone with cigars because it has acid, tannin, lots of alcohol and tons of bold flavors that can stand up to a cigar. It’s definitely an aggressive wine, so it needs an aggressive cigar to really make it shine. A cigar like Padron Imperial is a seriously bold smoke. All the tobacco is sun-grown with a maduro wrapper, so there is some sweetness. It goes great with an Amarone—my go-to is the Tomasso Bussola, TB 2007 ($100). The process is what makes Amarone special: the grapes are dried for months on mats in barns just outside of Lake Garda in Italy, concentrating the flavors and resulting in more sugar, but also lots of alcohol, which helps to volatilize the aromatics. Amarone is floral (dried roses, violets), savory (smoke, char), earthy (tobacco, leaves), while still having sweet fruit (ripe, lush cherries; plums, blackberries).
... stay away from wines that don’t have enough personality, body or intensity to stand up to a cigar. ..
With something like Arturo Fuente Anejo Extra Viejo 55 T, it’s a Connecticut River Valley wrapper (maduro though, so it’s sweeter) with Dominican fill. It’s a round, velvety smoke, so it goes great with a Napa Cabernet. I love Continuum, Napa 2010 ($170). The pairing here is really based on the soft, silky mouthfeel of the cigar with the lush, ripe sweet tannins and the feel of a great Napa Cab. The sweetness of the wrapper will play off the spiciness of the Continuum. Continuum is located on Pritchard Hill, which is almost all volcanic soils—resulting in a fair amount of exotic spice and lift. On top of that, this cigar is aged in Cognac barrels, so there is a sweet wood note that plays really well with the silky wood tannins of the French oak used at Continuum.
As to what doesn’t work with cigars, I would stay away from wines that don’t have enough personality, body or intensity to stand up to a cigar— so Chardonnay, Pinot Grigio, etc. and lighter reds like Gamay or New World Pinot.
I just dont understand why people continue to think wine and cigars go together....I smoke a fair amount of decent cigars and drink a decent wine or two on occasion and have never ever thought a cigar would pair appropriately. There are so many other beverages that go extremely well with cigars. But, hey, "different strokes" I guess.....
Anyways, some of you may know Pete from Tatuaje cigars, well he is a huge Bordeaux lover and he recently made a cigar with the name La Mission. I had the pleasure of this cigar over the last week of my vacation. Its actually a very nice cigar, lacks depth currently but plenty of tobacco to age and bring out other nuances. Hopefully people wont get confused and try to pair it with a 89' La Mission
Now for what I enjoyed over vacation...
BHK 54 a perfect cigar if you have any from 2010
1991 Montecristo #2 to celebrate the US embassy opening.
Several My Father Le Bijou Toro's on the golf course.
Last night a Cohiba Siglo VI from 2008.
quote:Originally posted by marcb7:
I just dont understand why people continue to think wine and cigars go together....I smoke a fair amount of decent cigars and drink a decent wine or two on occasion and have never ever thought a cigar would pair appropriately. There are so many other beverages that go extremely well with cigars. But, hey, "different strokes" I guess.....
I think there are things that go better, but there are wines. I just don't get the Riesling pairing. But I don't mine mixing cigars and wine.
One cigar that surprised me was Quesada's Oktoberfest. I have had it plain, and with a paired with Sam Adams Oktoberfest Beer. It really came alive with the beer. Great example of making a cigar to pair with a beverage.
marcb7, wine and cigars NEVER go together.
You are correct, Godfather.
You are correct, Godfather.
IMHO, I think wine and cigars go together great, as long as you know the cigar and the wine well.
When I really want to enjoy and explore a wine I will not have a cigar that day. When I really want to enjoy a cigar, I will not have wine before smoking it. But if I want to unwind with a cigar and a glass, or two, of wine I'm going to know each very well so neither one cancels out the flavors of the other.
When I really want to enjoy and explore a wine I will not have a cigar that day. When I really want to enjoy a cigar, I will not have wine before smoking it. But if I want to unwind with a cigar and a glass, or two, of wine I'm going to know each very well so neither one cancels out the flavors of the other.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
marcb7, wine and cigars NEVER go together.
quote:Originally posted by mdsphoto:
IMHO, I think wine and cigars go together great, as long as you know the cigar and the wine well.
...But if I want to unwind with a cigar and a glass, or two, of wine I'm going to know each very well so neither one cancels out the flavors of the other.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero with espresso this morning.
Wow, that's a helluva' pick-me-up in the morning!
I celebrated the end of a job with my last Liga Privada Dirty Rat from the original release. Man, do I love these! 'Not a crazy complex smoke, but the most delicious clove and anise throughout. I only wish it could have lasted longer. Perfect with a Pig Iron Cola and Kraken black spiced rum (chosen after lighting the cigar).
quote:Originally posted by KSC02:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
marcb7, wine and cigars NEVER go together.
quote:Originally posted by mdsphoto:
IMHO, I think wine and cigars go together great, as long as you know the cigar and the wine well...
discuss?
Count me with the godfather. As much as I love each, I've never found a cigar and wine that complement each other. Port, Scotch, rum, coffee, tea (hot or cold), root beer (way under-rated IMHO for pairing with a stogie), cola, or even water would be my choice over red wine.
In general, I find drinks that are fairly sweet match best with a stogie. Just my 2 cents.
quote:Originally posted by stickman:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
La Flor Dominicana Double Ligero with espresso this morning.
Wow, that's a helluva' pick-me-up in the morning!
I celebrated the end of a job with my last Liga Privada Dirty Rat from the original release. Man, do I love these! 'Not a crazy complex smoke, but the most delicious clove and anise throughout. I only wish it could have lasted longer. Perfect with a Pig Iron Cola and Kraken black spiced rum (chosen after lighting the cigar).
Stick, the LP Dirty Rat offers so much smoke and such a white ash.
quote:Originally posted by stickman:quote:Originally posted by KSC02:quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
marcb7, wine and cigars NEVER go together.
quote:Originally posted by mdsphoto:
IMHO, I think wine and cigars go together great, as long as you know the cigar and the wine well...
Count me with the godfather. As much as I love each, I've never found a cigar and wine that complement each other. Port, Scotch, rum, coffee, tea (hot or cold), root beer (way under-rated IMHO for pairing with a stogie), cola, or even water would be my choice over red wine.
In general, I find drinks that are fairly sweet match best with a stogie. Just my 2 cents.
Stick, other than your college football team, you have always been a man with a refined palate!
Cohiba Siglo VI
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:
Cohiba Siglo VI
One of my favorite cigars when not enjoying a BHK
Please note that I don't proclaim to be an expert wine taster, but I've had these pairings numerous times and they have always worked for me.
EP Carrilo New Wave Connecticut & Ferrari-Carano Reserve Chardonnay
The sweetness of the Ecuadorian CT wrapper along with the leather and oak flavors of the cigar pair wonderfully with the vanilla, oak and melon in this rich chard.
Drew Estates Nica Rustica & Merry Edwards Russian River Valley Pinor Noir
This cigar is a spice bomb with deep rich earth & barnyard flavors that are a great match for this bright cherry, earthy and tannic pinot.
Tatuaje Black Petite Lancero & Denner's The Dirt Worshipper
The Tat Black is my favorite non-Cuban cigar. It is very complex and shines with spicy tobacco, black pepper, cocoa and dried cherries making it a great pairing with this bold fruit forward and cedar flavored syrah.
Montecristo Media Noche Edmundo & Quinta Do Vale Meao Porto
The dark cocoa and cedar in this cigar is akin to pairing your favorite chocolate bar with this decadent port.
EP Carrilo New Wave Connecticut & Ferrari-Carano Reserve Chardonnay
The sweetness of the Ecuadorian CT wrapper along with the leather and oak flavors of the cigar pair wonderfully with the vanilla, oak and melon in this rich chard.
Drew Estates Nica Rustica & Merry Edwards Russian River Valley Pinor Noir
This cigar is a spice bomb with deep rich earth & barnyard flavors that are a great match for this bright cherry, earthy and tannic pinot.
Tatuaje Black Petite Lancero & Denner's The Dirt Worshipper
The Tat Black is my favorite non-Cuban cigar. It is very complex and shines with spicy tobacco, black pepper, cocoa and dried cherries making it a great pairing with this bold fruit forward and cedar flavored syrah.
Montecristo Media Noche Edmundo & Quinta Do Vale Meao Porto
The dark cocoa and cedar in this cigar is akin to pairing your favorite chocolate bar with this decadent port.
Thanks for reminding me....I have a box of dirty rats stuffed away....will have to check in on them this weekend.
MDS....I am very glad to hear you enjoy wine and a nice cigar...thats all that matters in the end.
W+A....noticed you lighting up a bit more of late, is this weather related? Nice choices by the way
MDS....I am very glad to hear you enjoy wine and a nice cigar...thats all that matters in the end.
W+A....noticed you lighting up a bit more of late, is this weather related? Nice choices by the way
By the way....nice to see you check in time and again Stick! Hope all is well with you and yours buddy.
quote:Originally posted by marcb7:
W+A....noticed you lighting up a bit more of late, is this weather related? Nice choices by the way
Retirement.
Cigars and Champagne are a great pairing, my favorite being a Hoyo DC and champagne.
Smoked a Casa Fuente Lancero, good, but not great cigar.
Lit up a Monte #4 yesterday at lunch - perfect size, construction and taste. Most reliable cigar I have ever smoked.
Smoked a Casa Fuente Lancero, good, but not great cigar.
Lit up a Monte #4 yesterday at lunch - perfect size, construction and taste. Most reliable cigar I have ever smoked.
Smoking a Padron 1964 Exclusivo Maduro (their "Anniversary Series" cigar) now. I'm not sure when it was released. 2012? I think it was Cigar Afficionado's #5 in 2012, for whatever that's worth.
In any case, it is all Nicaraguan. A tasty smoke, but the draw is way too easy. Cocoa, spice, pepper. a very good non-Cuban. And for a maduro wrapper, it's actually very mild. Burn is amazing.
In any case, it is all Nicaraguan. A tasty smoke, but the draw is way too easy. Cocoa, spice, pepper. a very good non-Cuban. And for a maduro wrapper, it's actually very mild. Burn is amazing.
quote:Originally posted by haggis
but the draw is way too easy.
haggis, good morning.
Interesting comment. Not sure I have ever seen this comment in this thread. I also have thought this from time to time while enjoying a cigar but never verbalized the thought.
I do enjoy this type of cigar though when playing golf or gardening. Sometimes you just want/need a cigar that does not demand your attention if that makes any sense.
quote:Originally posted by wine+art:quote:Originally posted by haggis
but the draw is way too easy.
haggis, good morning.
Interesting comment. Not sure I have ever seen this comment in this thread. I also have thought this from time to time while enjoying a cigar but never verbalized the thought.
I do enjoy this type of cigar though when playing golf or gardening. Sometimes you just want/need a cigar that does not demand your attention if that makes any sense.
Yes, I know what you mean. But, it did need relighting 3 times, so it demanded attention, regardless! It was not loosely packed, and had that Padron box press, but it was so easy that I would too often inhale completely. I have some more of these, so I'll be interested to see if others are like this.
Cuban Partagas Lusitanias with '77 Dow last night with Gigabit, Shane T and PaulJr. The Lusitanias were smoking great, and the Dow wasn't too shabby either.
quote:Originally posted by fusionstorm:
Cuban Partagas Lusitanias with '77 Dow last night with Gigabit, Shane T and PaulJr. The Lusitanias were smoking great, and the Dow wasn't too shabby either.
Thanks, again, for sharing the smokes and Port. Both were excellent!
quote:Originally posted by gigabit:quote:Originally posted by fusionstorm:
Cuban Partagas Lusitanias with '77 Dow last night with Gigabit, Shane T and PaulJr. The Lusitanias were smoking great, and the Dow wasn't too shabby either.
Thanks, again, for sharing the smokes and Port. Both were excellent!
I'll echo gigabit's comments & thanks again for sharing. Great to meet you!
Over the weekend...
Dirty Rat, in a very nice place right now, will be hard not to smoke through the box quickly.
Montecristo LE from 2010, also in a nice spot, the 5 years of age has improved this fairly large stick.
In regards to Padron...I, personally, have found them to have a loose draw on several occasions. IMO, much better cigars for the price. I cant remember the last time I smoked a Padron.
Dirty Rat, in a very nice place right now, will be hard not to smoke through the box quickly.
Montecristo LE from 2010, also in a nice spot, the 5 years of age has improved this fairly large stick.
In regards to Padron...I, personally, have found them to have a loose draw on several occasions. IMO, much better cigars for the price. I cant remember the last time I smoked a Padron.
quote:Originally posted by marcb7:
In regards to Padron...I, personally, have found them to have a loose draw on several occasions. IMO, much better cigars for the price. I cant remember the last time I smoked a Padron.
I have several good Padrons in my humidor, which have been aging for 5+ yrs, as I often opt for other cigars that I enjoy more.
Monte Coronation from earl 2000s.
Extremely strong
Extremely strong
I used to love the Padron 2000 and 3000 back in the 90s when they were still a bargain brand. It was the same with Fuente for me. I loved the Chateau Fuente Rothchilds. My tobaconist would sell me a box of 20 and they would give me half Connecticut and half Maduro if I wanted. I remember getting my first box of them for $25. A couple of years later after the Opus X, the price doubled, then tripled. I like the cigar, but at about $80, they are not a great deal. I only buy one on occasion now, for nostalgia sake.
Patron had the same thing happen when they release their special editions. The 2000 and 3000 price went up and became harder to find.
It is just too easy to find great quality bargain cigars. A lot of good brands like Rocky Patel, Gurkha or Alec Bradley are always looking for their Opus X / 1926 label. They will release a line of good cigars that don't catch fire then clear them out and try another. These end up being great $1-3 daily smokers for me either on clearance or on Cigar bid.
Patron had the same thing happen when they release their special editions. The 2000 and 3000 price went up and became harder to find.
It is just too easy to find great quality bargain cigars. A lot of good brands like Rocky Patel, Gurkha or Alec Bradley are always looking for their Opus X / 1926 label. They will release a line of good cigars that don't catch fire then clear them out and try another. These end up being great $1-3 daily smokers for me either on clearance or on Cigar bid.
Medium shade corona from New Orleans cigar - freshly rolled last week.
Favorite NC cigar.
Favorite NC cigar.
quote:Originally posted by Michael Y.:
I used to love the Padron 2000 and 3000 back in the 90s when they were still a bargain brand. It was the same with Fuente for me. I loved the Chateau Fuente Rothchilds. My tobaconist would sell me a box of 20 and they would give me half Connecticut and half Maduro if I wanted. I remember getting my first box of them for $25. A couple of years later after the Opus X, the price doubled, then tripled. I like the cigar, but at about $80, they are not a great deal. I only buy one on occasion now, for nostalgia sake.
Patron had the same thing happen when they release their special editions. The 2000 and 3000 price went up and became harder to find.
It is just too easy to find great quality bargain cigars. A lot of good brands like Rocky Patel, Gurkha or Alec Bradley are always looking for their Opus X / 1926 label. They will release a line of good cigars that don't catch fire then clear them out and try another. These end up being great $1-3 daily smokers for me either on clearance or on Cigar bid.
I used to use CigarBid a lot, but not anymore. I have enough. I agree with what you say about Padron and Fuente. I find that some cigars, like the Quesada Espana, for instance, are really good when they first are released, but are not as good in succeeding years. One of the few non-Cubans labels that I find to be consistently good is Illusione. Herrera Esteli is up there, too.
any recommendations are a nice rich creamy smoke that smells nice and doesnt burn harsh for under 10$ a stick (non NY because ny adds an extra 10$ in taxes)?
Cigar bid is great for daily smokers. I order from the about once or twice a year. I think I spent about $200 and got around 150 cigars including some Puros Indios, various Victor Sinclairs, Rocky Patels, Don Lino Africa and a bunch of various Gurkha cigars in samplers. Some of the cigars are fantastic, all are smoke-able. I have a nice smoke that costs about $1 that is great to smoke while walking to pooch.
A few years ago was like the golden age for me for cheap cigars. I loved the Rocky Patel Fire and Alec Bradley Ovation. I never paid more than $1.25 a stick on either of them, and they were both fantastic. I still have a couple of of bundles of the Fire, but they were better fresh. The Ovations aged well and I still have an unopened box of them left that is about 7 years old now. Whenever the AB rep throws an event at my local B&M shop, I hound him about bringing back either the Ovation or Trilogy line.
I have other stuff in my humidor like some 15 year old Cubans, some Opus X, and other premium lines for special occasions, I have boxes of cigars I like that fall in between the daily smoker and special occasion like Rocky Patel Edge, HdM Excalibur and CAO Brazilia. But it is nice to have a good supply of good cheapos that you can light up at any time.
A few years ago was like the golden age for me for cheap cigars. I loved the Rocky Patel Fire and Alec Bradley Ovation. I never paid more than $1.25 a stick on either of them, and they were both fantastic. I still have a couple of of bundles of the Fire, but they were better fresh. The Ovations aged well and I still have an unopened box of them left that is about 7 years old now. Whenever the AB rep throws an event at my local B&M shop, I hound him about bringing back either the Ovation or Trilogy line.
I have other stuff in my humidor like some 15 year old Cubans, some Opus X, and other premium lines for special occasions, I have boxes of cigars I like that fall in between the daily smoker and special occasion like Rocky Patel Edge, HdM Excalibur and CAO Brazilia. But it is nice to have a good supply of good cheapos that you can light up at any time.
quote:Originally posted by g-man:
any recommendations are a nice rich creamy smoke that smells nice and doesnt burn harsh for under 10$ a stick (non NY because ny adds an extra 10$ in taxes)?
I like the Gran Habano Connecticut Zulu Zulu for a rich, creamy, medium bodied smoke.
quote:Originally posted by g-man:
any recommendations are a nice rich creamy smoke that smells nice and doesnt burn harsh for under 10$ a stick (non NY because ny adds an extra 10$ in taxes)?
Illusione (their whole lineup is great)
Herrera Esteli
Quesada (esp. the Espana)