Cellar Tracker New vs Classic

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Originally posted by IT:
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
Wouldn't it be even nicer if the WS collaborated and no paying customer of the WS would have to copy and paste reviews into CT? (We can dream...)


Exactly..Well said, not sure what WS (Or Bobby Parker for that matter) have to lose.


Ultimately, these things usually come down to: $$.

PH
The new site is certainly more visually appealing and seems user-friendly so far. The real test will come when trying something intense like a cellar re-org.

Small piece of initial feedback: if a wine search yields only a single result, it would be useful to go straight to that wine's page instead of to the "search results" page showing the single result, where one needs to click through to get to the page for that wine.
Overall I prefer the new version, and hope the new reports section is completed soon.

Likes:
Visual user interface
Bulk "shopping cart" add wines to cellar Community score details showing std. deviation and ranges
Ability to comment on community tasting notes
Food Pairing Tags
"All Wines" option in My Cellar, showing all wines I have input data on
Breadcrumbs

Dislikes:
"I Like It" under scores cannot be removed, only minimized (I find the detailed score info MUCH more useful than a "like")
Community tasting notes section is smaller on individual wine view
Load time when clicking individual wine seems to be longer

Overall nice job Eric!
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Originally posted by VinT:
The new site is certainly more visually appealing and seems user-friendly so far. The real test will come when trying something intense like a cellar re-org.

Small piece of initial feedback: if a wine search yields only a single result, it would be useful to go straight to that wine's page instead of to the "search results" page showing the single result, where one needs to click through to get to the page for that wine.

Thanks for the feedback. The old site would do this, but part of the goal of the new site is to let you use the side-panel to do basically everything you could on the wine detail page. Also, you might end up wanting to tweak your search.

I think the right change at this point is, if the side-panel is hidden, to act like the old site and redirect you straight to the wine detail page if there is just 1-result returned. However if you have the side panel on to return the search even with just 1 result.
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Originally posted by KSC02:
Well, now that you've pushed me into the pool, Eric, I like it.
Appreciate the updates/improvements. I know that I'll enjoy/appreciate the new version.

Thanks. It's clear that this has been a labor of love for you. Sincerely, much appreciated. Wink
+1. I really like the changes. Love that when I go to my cellar the default view shows the bin location of my wines.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
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Originally posted by VinT:
The new site is certainly more visually appealing and seems user-friendly so far. The real test will come when trying something intense like a cellar re-org.

Small piece of initial feedback: if a wine search yields only a single result, it would be useful to go straight to that wine's page instead of to the "search results" page showing the single result, where one needs to click through to get to the page for that wine.

Thanks for the feedback. The old site would do this, but part of the goal of the new site is to let you use the side-panel to do basically everything you could on the wine detail page. Also, you might end up wanting to tweak your search.

I think the right change at this point is, if the side-panel is hidden, to act like the old site and redirect you straight to the wine detail page if there is just 1-result returned. However if you have the side panel on to return the search even with just 1 result.


Thanks. The change you suggest sounds like the right move. The side panel is a great feature for doing stuff with a wine but one of the first things I look at when landing on a wine page is the tasting notes from my favorite authors. And the side panel with its obvious space limitations just can't show that until you click a few more times. But I did just discover the feature that lists tasting notes by "I'm a fan first". Very cool!
I voted for classic, but I go back and forth between the old and new versions. There are things that I like in both. I go into CT quite a bit from my IPAD, and the new version seems to be get "choppy" when I access it that way. With that said, I was just playing with it and it looks like Eric may have resolved some of that. I'll keep playing with it and see.
I usually get used to change pretty quick, but this new version is giving me fits. I really like searching my own cellar, and when I do searches off the main page, it brings up a list of every CT wine, and I can't figure out how to just have it show mine without doing the full search and then removing the "All Users" filter from the search results.

I also don't like not being able to click on a link from any page that gives me the Drinkability Report or Pending Deliveries that used to be on the left side - those are two of the pages I use most.

I do like the general "look" of it and I'll keep giving it a go, and maybe read some of the FAQ's, etc. that were provided, but it's really not convenient to spend a lot of time looking into that - I wish it were easier right off the bat.
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Originally posted by Vinaigre:
I use my IPad all the time and also find the new version less fun to use on it.
I do like the new version on my laptop..

An issue I find annoying, when you have a list of wines, you have to click the "more" button and not the wine name.

My 2 Cents

Hide the side panel.

Or do what I have begged people to do and please read the top switching tips:
https://www.cellartracker.com/content.asp?iContent=41
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
I usually get used to change pretty quick, but this new version is giving me fits. I really like searching my own cellar, and when I do searches off the main page, it brings up a list of every CT wine, and I can't figure out how to just have it show mine without doing the full search and then removing the "All Users" filter from the search results.

I also don't like not being able to click on a link from any page that gives me the Drinkability Report or Pending Deliveries that used to be on the left side - those are two of the pages I use most.

I do like the general "look" of it and I'll keep giving it a go, and maybe read some of the FAQ's, etc. that were provided, but it's really not convenient to spend a lot of time looking into that - I wish it were easier right off the bat.

Drinkability and Pending are both off the main menu once you click MY CELLAR.

There is a problem that the search dropdown seems to be landing on the global WINES versus MY CELLAR more than it is meant to. We are looking into that. That said, before you search, just look at the focus menu and figure out if it says WINES or MY CELLAR. It's actually not any different than the old site except there we had a ONLY SHOW MINE checkbox.
I've been using the 'new' site as default since June of this year, and almost never went back to the old one.

Well done Eric!

I actually followed your advise and have gone trough the 'top switching tips'. I thouhgt I knew the site by know...
The greatest new functionality I 'discovered' is the shopping cart. This concept is realy a great improvement of my workflow!

Thanks a lot for your continuing effort to improve CT. Your dedication has made this one of the few online services I am more than happy to pay for.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
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Originally posted by Vinaigre:
I use my IPad all the time and also find the new version less fun to use on it.
I do like the new version on my laptop..

An issue I find annoying, when you have a list of wines, you have to click the "more" button and not the wine name.

My 2 Cents

Hide the side panel.

Or do what I have begged people to do and please read the top switching tips:
https://www.cellartracker.com/content.asp?iContent=41


Sorry Eric.....
Bang Bang
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Originally posted by aphilla:
The "like" thing seems kind of useless. Is there some actual utility to it?


I agree -- I can tell if someone likes the wine by their tasting note and/or score.

Also, the ability to comment on tasting notes seems like it will just open up the flood gates for shit flinging.

I'm trying to like this new design, however, I prefer the streamlined simplicity of the old design.
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Originally posted by AML:
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Originally posted by aphilla:
The "like" thing seems kind of useless. Is there some actual utility to it?


I agree -- I can tell if someone likes the wine by their tasting note and/or score.

Also, the ability to comment on tasting notes seems like it will just open up the flood gates for shit flinging.

I'm trying to like this new design, however, I prefer the streamlined simplicity of the old design.


ditto on the simplicity and ease of the old design
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
I usually get used to change pretty quick, but this new version is giving me fits. I really like searching my own cellar, and when I do searches off the main page, it brings up a list of every CT wine, and I can't figure out how to just have it show mine without doing the full search and then removing the "All Users" filter from the search results.

I also don't like not being able to click on a link from any page that gives me the Drinkability Report or Pending Deliveries that used to be on the left side - those are two of the pages I use most.

I do like the general "look" of it and I'll keep giving it a go, and maybe read some of the FAQ's, etc. that were provided, but it's really not convenient to spend a lot of time looking into that - I wish it were easier right off the bat.

Drinkability and Pending are both off the main menu once you click MY CELLAR.

There is a problem that the search dropdown seems to be landing on the global WINES versus MY CELLAR more than it is meant to. We are looking into that. That said, before you search, just look at the focus menu and figure out if it says WINES or MY CELLAR. It's actually not any different than the old site except there we had a ONLY SHOW MINE checkbox.

Eric - I very much appreciate your response on this. I got your point on the search function and choosing My Cellar as opposed to Wines, and I agree - not much different than the old version.

I'm still having trouble with figuring out the ability to get to Drinkability & Pending easily, though. I'll have to keep messing around with it (whenever that "free time" finally appears for me), and it sounds like Jochems had some good luck with the "top switching tips", so hopefully I can check that out, too. It's just a matter of finding some time...
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.


Well, I'm certainly glad they were respectful. Being the muckraker that I am, I think a new thread is in order.

PH
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
Dislike, dislike, dislike the new version.

Adding a new wine was extremely difficult, time consuming and confusing. Many other changes I did not like either.

VM


I've switched back to classic. That wasn't a very long trial on my part I realize.

Is there a way to enter a tasting note when you consume a bottle? I had to do it separately, which was annoying.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.

Confused It's a bit odd to me that WS is effectively encouraging us to spend time on a different forum. C'est la vie.

BTW, no love here for the new version, but not as much dislike as before.
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Originally posted by SD-Wineaux:
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.

Confused It's a bit odd to me that WS is effectively encouraging us to spend time on a different forum. C'est la vie.

BTW, no love here for the new version, but not as much dislike as before.

I agree...very strange.

I'm still having issues with the new version, but will keep giving it a go for a bit longer. One thing I just noticed tonight is that I can't easily do a search of "All Data" for my wine like I used to do in the original version from the front page. I will often go into CT just to search a certain winery to find all of the inwes I had at some point. But, now if I choose the My Cellar option in the search, it defaults to my in stock collection, then I have to change the filter from In My Cellar to All Wines. I think that's just another example of the "extra clicks" needed in the new version, until I can hopefully find a quicker way to do it.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.

Respectfully? It is not very respectful to kick somebody off for providing information the readers have requested. So nice to see WS going down the ebob route to irrelevance through paranoia.
Now I am not going to be respectful, whoever made this decision at WS is a f'ing moron.

As for CT, I will use the classic version as long as I can. HATE the look of the new version. How it works, I don't know as I have no desire to use it.
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
Dislike, dislike, dislike the new version.

Adding a new wine was extremely difficult, time consuming and confusing. Many other changes I did not like either.

VM


VM, takes me seconds to add a new wine but I've been using the new version for well over a year. Once I learned the new version it has been a piece of cake since.
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Originally posted by aphilla:
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
Dislike, dislike, dislike the new version.

Adding a new wine was extremely difficult, time consuming and confusing. Many other changes I did not like either.

VM


I've switched back to classic. That wasn't a very long trial on my part I realize.

Is there a way to enter a tasting note when you consume a bottle? I had to do it separately, which was annoying.


Yes, select the option to Drink Bottle. On the next screen you can select which bottle in the cellar you wish to drink, the date, whether you want to Add a Public Tasting Note, etc... As you select options (checkboxes) the screen changes right in front of you adding or removing stuff to save real estate.
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
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Originally posted by aphilla:
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
Dislike, dislike, dislike the new version.

Adding a new wine was extremely difficult, time consuming and confusing. Many other changes I did not like either.

VM


I've switched back to classic. That wasn't a very long trial on my part I realize.

Is there a way to enter a tasting note when you consume a bottle? I had to do it separately, which was annoying.


Yes, select the option to Drink Bottle. On the next screen you can select which bottle in the cellar you wish to drink, the date, whether you want to Add a Public Tasting Note, etc... As you select options (checkboxes) the screen changes right in front of you adding or removing stuff to save real estate.


Ah, I see. Thanks.

Clunky.
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
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Originally posted by Vino Me:
Dislike, dislike, dislike the new version.

Adding a new wine was extremely difficult, time consuming and confusing. Many other changes I did not like either.

VM


VM, takes me seconds to add a new wine but I've been using the new version for well over a year. Once I learned the new version it has been a piece of cake since.


I'm talking about a wine which has never been entered into the system by anyone. Basically creating a new wine from scratch. There were shortcuts in the old system which allowed me to create a new wine in a fraction of the time. Just don't see a way to do it as quickly in the new system.

VM
I just added a bunch of wine to my cellar. I did most of it with the new interface. The old interface is just so much more efficient.

For the new one, why can't I just click on the vintage of the wine and be taken to the add screen, rather than select a vintage with a checkbox and then click for the next step?

And when I do add the wine, I have to scroll down to save, seems like that could be more efficiently placed higher so no scrolling is involved.

In the old version, with the efficiency of space on the screen it's just a lot quicker to enter stuff.

FWIW, I use an MBP 15" for everything.
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.


That makes absolutely no sense! You are actually drawing people to WS, or at a minimum you are keeping them here. Given their logic, all talk about sports should be driven to ESPN or some other sports website. That is insane, pisses me off, frankly.

So, just to annoy those WS boneheads, I'm wondering if you have considered moving the "quantity" column back where it is in the Classic version. It's useful to be able to scroll down and see how many bottles I have of each wine. On smartphones, etc. the screen size does not allow one to see each wine and quantity. So, if the quantity column were to the left of the wine name, it would be more convenient. Other than that, I'm one happy camper (although unhappy with WS's idiotic paranoia).
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Originally posted by haggis:
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Originally posted by Eric LeVine:
I wish I could answer more substantively, but the Wine Spectator has now respectfully asked that I no longer engage in any way in any thread on CellarTracker other than to ask you to contact me via my own website or forum. Sorry folks.


That makes absolutely no sense! You are actually drawing people to WS, or at a minimum you are keeping them here. Given their logic, all talk about sports should be driven to ESPN or some other sports website. That is insane, pisses me off, frankly.


Maybe they just hired Mark Squires..?

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