it's at most 2x now but you can defintiely find them at retail.
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I found an E.H. Taylor Single Barrel yesterday for $40.00.
More important the sales person said a lot of offerings have come off allocation recently. He named at least a dozen off the top of his head that are no longer allocated. Apparently prices and supplies have eased a lot recently.
Pappy still getting massive prices, but have noticed a softening as well, which is good news.
Blanton’s more easily findable. Prices lowering. Still $160, though. But it had been expensive for a while.
I’m fortunate to live walking distance to multiple establishments that have pours of Blanton’s and Pappy available. No need to go trophy hunting. 
@winetarelli posted:Blanton’s more easily findable. Prices lowering. Still $160, though. But it had been expensive for a while.
Was able to get 10 bottles in the people's republic of Ontario for $75 CAD recently in the last 2 weeks. It's limited to 1 bottle per purchase, but going to multiple locations that the Kommissars have set up, allowed me to get a bunch.
@csm posted:Was able to get 10 bottles in the people's republic of Ontario for $75 CAD recently in the last 2 weeks. It's limited to 1 bottle per purchase, but going to multiple locations that the Kommissars have set up, allowed me to get a bunch.
Whoa. That’s $56USD. About its actual retail in 2010 or so in the US. Phenomenal get!
@winetarelli posted:Whoa. That’s $56USD. About its actual retail in 2010 or so in the US. Phenomenal get!
Sometimes the monopoly serves a purpose. The rationing is annoying but with a little determination you can get these. Got a Pappy 15 at $250 CAD as well in the lottery. Not drinking that one though.
Hi everyone. I have never paid over $70 for a bourbon, and the most expensive was Pappy 12. I was able to try the 23 year and the 20 at a tasting flight, and both were heavily over-oaked and tannic. Those Pappy bottles selling for $1k-4k are $70-300 bottles MSRP and IMO not any better than a lot of easily found bourbons. Weller 12 is the exact same bourbon as Pappy (often literally from the same batch), stored in different barrels. Anyone who distributes it knows this, but isn't allowed to talk about it, at least when I was a distributor. But alas, hype sells. The discontinued bourbons will continue to increase and are a fantastic investment.
That's why us ignorant know nothings have been buying Weller 12 like it was water until they finally caught on to us and allocated it and jacked the price. 
@Food&BeverageFem posted:Hi everyone. I have never paid over $70 for a bourbon, and the most expensive was Pappy 12. I was able to try the 23 year and the 20 at a tasting flight, and both were heavily over-oaked and tannic. Those Pappy bottles selling for $1k-4k are $70-300 bottles MSRP and IMO not any better than a lot of easily found bourbons. Weller 12 is the exact same bourbon as Pappy (often literally from the same batch), stored in different barrels. Anyone who distributes it knows this, but isn't allowed to talk about it, at least when I was a distributor. But alas, hype sells. The discontinued bourbons will continue to increase and are a fantastic investment.
I don’t think it’s a secret that they are the same mashbill but they are stored in different areas of the warehouse and are bottled at different proofs l, at least for the older ones (15 and up). Which makes a difference. Not one worth the premium for sure but they aren’t identical.
@wineismylife posted:More important the sales person said a lot of offerings have come off allocation recently. He named at least a dozen off the top of his head that are no longer allocated. Apparently prices and supplies have eased a lot recently.
yea defintiely Stagg and EH Taylor I got both basically at msrp
@winetarelli posted:Whoa. That’s $56USD. About its actual retail in 2010 or so in the US. Phenomenal get!
it's 40$ at some krogers here in texas, granted you just have to be hunting for it.
I would not say that overall bourbon prices are coming down, as they are generally continuing to increase. If you are just talking about Buffalo Trace/Sazerac products, like this thread so far, then you may be seeing more of their products available. The regular retail price I pay for BT/Saz stuff through store allocation programs has not changed, but maybe the marked up/secondary prices are coming down. Probably in response to a slower economy, and the end of COVID shifting drinking back to bar consumption. Most of you probably know they have increased production by 50% in the last five years, with the youngest products now hitting shelves. I took the Expansion Tour at the distillery last November, and saw first hand their newest mash tubs and fermenters. Buffalo Trace has held prices remarkably steady at the expense of creating tremendous unmet demand. They and Brown Forman (Woodford, OldFo) are private/family controlled and have followed similar paths, while distilleries owned by public conglomerates (Beam, Makers, Wild Turkey) have recently been pushing prices more (especially WT).
If you are unable to get the BT products you like, look for the new Origin series from Bardstown Bourbon Co. At around $50 and 6 yr age statement (not found on most BT products), they have a rye recipe at 96 proof and a wheated recipe BiB at 100 proof. I have had both many times and really like both palates (but a bit weak on the finish). Maker's Mark is also coming out with an 11/12 year blend at 90.4 proof (wish that were higher) that could be a Weller 12 alternative.
certainly state side the BT products in texas are becoming very readily available. I was just going down near austin and every bar was able to grab the weller 12 and the stagg with no issue
Blanton's here in WA state starts at about $70 (+ another 1/3 in taxes). But that's only when you can find it, which you can't. I look every time I'm in the stores. I haven't noticed prices coming down on any of the higher end stuff.
My current favorite is Frey Ranch, which isn't distributed here, but can be found in the SouthWest states for $40-$50. It's a bit on the sweet side, but a great sipper.