Bordeaux buying help

With the exception of the La Fleur de Bouard, those prices seem a bit high. None of them are really approachable in the short term either. Also, these wines and many Bordeaux are simply not moving from retail shelves in Chicago. I'm expecting some moderate discounts this spring as 2001 Bdx's start to arrive.

The 2000 Haut Bailly is a heck of a nice wine. Is it worth $40 relative to the other wines out there?

[This message was edited by R2-D2 on Jan 14, 2004 at 11:15 AM.]

I think the Grand Puy Lacoste is a nice price. I bought mine on futures for around $40 - now market price is close to $60. It has the best chance of turning into something special in 15 years.

BTW, take the Chicago-mafia wine prices/quotes with a grain of salt... those guys get some of the best prices in the country and are spoiled rotten...

I highly recommend the 2000 GPL.

It's tough for me to comment on price, but you may be pleased to learn what the pricing is like in our market. I paid C$80 for the 1998 Leoville-Barton (about US$62) and C$90 for the 2000 GPL (about US$70).

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I just know I'll get flamed for this, but...

I recently tried a 2001 Chateau Colombier-Monpelou. Yes, I know about the past performance issues of it being a mediocre wine at best. The '01 has good fruit, moderate tannins and moderate acid. IMHO, I think it is a good QPR at $19 per bottle. I have it as a daily drinker when I want a bordeau. I do have many 2000 bordeaux, but, as you know, most are not ready to drink and certainly aren't daily wines.

EIT,

I don't know that any of them will develop into something special. The best of them will probably be the Leoville Barton, Grand-Puy-Lacoste and the Haut Bailly. I've had the d'Armailhac and scored it 90 points. The best deal is probably the d’Aiguilhe.

Have you considered Haut Bergey, if your tastes align more with Parker this could be a very special wine (I think he gave it a 94?). It is still available here for about $55 I think. On the other hand, if you like Decanters ratings, look into the Dauzac which got their highest rating of 5 stars. It sells for $30. Here is a thread about the Decanter reviews.

VM

Those look like great prices...but it is all relative. Here is what you might have to pay in my neck of the woods

http://www.sandyd-designs.com/inventory_bordeaux.asp

Speaking of Cantemerle 00, did you guys try it? I know, go search tasting notes.....

DBW

Tasted Jan. 2003.

Cantermerle (Haut-Medoc) - Another futures order here and still at a reasonable price. Slightly disappointed in it's overly tannic finish. This wine has a very appealing earthy, woodsy, mushroomy nose and lush blackberries, earth, and lead pencil on a suprisingly tannic finish. Meant to cellar. 89+ now, 92 potential.

dbw,

I gave the 2002 Cantemerle 92-93 points. My note is here.

VM

EIT-

'00 Grand Puy-Lacoste $48- Pretty good price, buy a few

'00 Barde-Haut $44- Dunno

'98 Leoville-Barton $40 It depends on what else you have from 98, it's a maybe

'00 Haut Bailly $40- probably

'00 Chateau d’Armailhac $36- SLightly over futures prices, probably worth it

'00 La Fleur de Bouard $28- YES

'00 Monbrison $24- Dunno

'00 Chateau d’Aiguilhe $20 Dunno

AS far as what these taste like, I have no idea. I haven't had a single one (yet), but I hold 6 Armailhac, 8 GPL, and 6 F-d-B. These were all bought based on the fact that I trust experts to tell me that a wine will be good in 10-20 years. I personally wouldn't open any of these now even to try them.

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Yes, but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.

You don't trus me? I'm flabbergasted ...

Grossie, have you tried past vintages of those wines to know if you like the style? That's always been my hang up on buying futures based off WS/WA/Tanzer. I generally like all of the Bordeaux regions, but the ones I don't like, I really don't like. Gruard Larose turns me off. I know you bought a ton (literally) of 2000 Bdx, how many did you buy blind?

I've had past vintages of Armailhac, GPL, and Leoville Barton. ARmailhac multiple times, the others only once or twice.

I have to trust the critics because I sure as hell can't tell you what they'll taste like in 10-20 years, and I like my wines aged.

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Yes, but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.

I have some aged White Zin, you want some?