I know that it was considered a regular season game, as the announcers repeatedly stated, but the Twins-Tigers game was one of the best baseball games I have seen in quite a while. It had the drama of a winner take all, several lead changes, dramatic plays on the bases and extra innings. Good stuff.
The Twins Tigers game got over tuesday night with the celebration afterward around 11:00 pm. The Yankees made them play a 5:00 pm game the next day after not gettng to New York and asleep untill 5:00 am wed. I thought that was wrong since their was no game today anyway.
quote:
Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
The Twins Tigers game got over tuesday night with the celebration afterward around 11:00 pm. The Yankees made them play a 5:00 pm game the next day after not gettng to New York and asleep untill 5:00 am wed. I thought that was wrong since their was no game today anyway.


That's the reward when you win 100+ games and your division by 10 vs. clawing out a last minute spot in the playoffs.
quote:
Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
The Twins Tigers game got over tuesday night with the celebration afterward around 11:00 pm. The Yankees made them play a 5:00 pm game the next day after not gettng to New York and asleep untill 5:00 am wed. I thought that was wrong since their was no game today anyway.
For a minute there I was starting to agree with you, but then I remember that you gave up on this team in mid-September. You should feel fortunate that you can attend a professional baseball game in October. Delaying the series by a number would have just delayed the inevitable. Razz
quote:
Originally posted by sydthesquid:
quote:
Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
The Twins Tigers game got over tuesday night with the celebration afterward around 11:00 pm. The Yankees made them play a 5:00 pm game the next day after not gettng to New York and asleep untill 5:00 am wed. I thought that was wrong since their was no game today anyway.


That's the reward when you win 100+ games and your division by 10 vs. clawing out a last minute spot in the playoffs.


The Red Sox got an extra day and did not win a division title. It is all about television and money when it comes to scheduling for the play-offs.
quote:
Originally posted by Juicy:
quote:
Originally posted by sydthesquid:
quote:
Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
The Twins Tigers game got over tuesday night with the celebration afterward around 11:00 pm. The Yankees made them play a 5:00 pm game the next day after not gettng to New York and asleep untill 5:00 am wed. I thought that was wrong since their was no game today anyway.


That's the reward when you win 100+ games and your division by 10 vs. clawing out a last minute spot in the playoffs.


The Red Sox got an extra day and did not win a division title. It is all about television and money when it comes to scheduling for the play-offs.


Well, yeah.

But the Sox got an extra day because the Yankees got to pick what they wanted because they had the best record.
quote:
Originally posted by Icewino:
That's 3 clearly blown cals tonight. I guess the league decided to give the Angels a chance they should get 4 outs every other inning. What a joke that 1st base ump is.


2 of them (the tag and the foot) weren't anywhere near close. Horrid calls.
have to admit i didnt think the Dohyers would be up 2 games at this point... this team, as last year, will live and die by their pitching and as much as i like Kershaw and (hurts to say this) Billingsley, when they're backed up by Wolf and Padilla, the odds are against them... but we'll see, thats why they play the game!
quote:
Originally posted by sydthesquid:
quote:
Originally posted by Icewino:
That's 3 clearly blown cals tonight. I guess the league decided to give the Angels a chance they should get 4 outs every other inning. What a joke that 1st base ump is.


2 of them (the tag and the foot) weren't anywhere near close. Horrid calls.


Syd, email me at brendanherbert at gmail - I have some questions about Scholium for you.
Boston fans whining about umping (or refereeing or officiating of any kind) - gee I am shocked. Better not look at Tom or it is roughing the passer - the Ravens learned that one. Maybe they should have ejected Hunter for flipping his bat - no one should be allowed to show up John Lester like that.
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Boston fans whining about umping (or refereeing or officiating of any kind) - gee I am shocked...

what was Francona whining about Del Taco for?

also, anybody else catch Wainwright's snivel about how it shouldn't be fair to pass out white towels to the crowd, i.e., Holliday's error? Roll Eyes
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Boston fans whining about umping (or refereeing or officiating of any kind) - gee I am shocked. Better not look at Tom or it is roughing the passer - the Ravens learned that one. Maybe they should have ejected Hunter for flipping his bat - no one should be allowed to show up John Lester like that.

Since when did stating facts about blown calls become whining? Last time I checked other sports like the NFL and NHL call it challenging or reviewing, not whining, and I haven't seen a team yet that doesn't throw the red flag because they think it's whining when they think a call wasn't correct, and clearly the two tags weren't correct by the same guy no less. And can you believe the announcers and producers kept replaying those close calls? What a bunch of whiners! And why don't they just call it the whiners pitch zone because it dares to show a call wasn't right. The nerve!

Hats off to Lackey for pitching a great game. Even with blown calls you don't win anything by scoring zero runs.
quote:
Originally posted by Icewino:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Boston fans whining about umping (or refereeing or officiating of any kind) - gee I am shocked. Better not look at Tom or it is roughing the passer - the Ravens learned that one. Maybe they should have ejected Hunter for flipping his bat - no one should be allowed to show up John Lester like that.

Since when did stating facts about blown calls become whining? Last time I checked other sports like the NFL and NHL call it challenging or reviewing, not whining, and I haven't seen a team yet that doesn't throw the red flag because they think it's whining when they think a call wasn't correct, and clearly the two tags weren't correct by the same guy no less. And can you believe the announcers and producers kept replaying those close calls? What a bunch of whiners! And why don't they just call it the whiners pitch zone because it dares to show a call wasn't right. The nerve!

Hats off to Lackey for pitching a great game. Even with blown calls you don't win anything by scoring zero runs.


"I guess the league decided to give the Angels a chance they should get 4 outs every other inning."

That is the epitome of whining. Epic Fail -trying to backtrack from that
J, did you SEE the blows calls? Absolutely horrendous to the point that even Syd mentioned it. Joe West and CB Buckner, two of the worst umpires in all of baseball, were hottendous last night.

That said, if they don't hit, they're not going to win. Lackey had great command and Lester made one bad pitch.

I will say this in IceWino's defense. Lester did have to get 4 outs in two of those innings last night. That, in theory, would have put Lester on the mound in the 7th inning, thus avoiding Ramon Ramirez' "deer-in-the-headlights" performance.
Must be a conspiracy against the Red Sox - sort of like the entire Mitchell Report -

A blown call is a blown call - there is no conspiracy much to IceWino's dismay - here is hoping for an Angels sweep so I don't have to say any more poser fans wearing pink Red Sox hats.

And Figgins could easily and should have been called safe on the bunt so it would have been 4-0 - a call having a much more direct impact on the score than the Kendrick blown call -
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Must be a conspiracy against the Red Sox - sort of like the entire Mitchell Report -

A blown call is a blown call - there is no conspiracy much to IceWino's dismay - here is hoping for an Angels sweep so I don't have to say any more poser fans wearing pink Red Sox hats.

And Figgins could easily and should have been called safe on the bunt so it would have been 4-0 - a call having a much more direct impact on the score than the Kendrick blown call -


What bunt? Are you talking about the double play with the bases loaded in the 7th when Saito came in? That was Tori Hunter.

And are you sure about that? The two blown calls by CB Buckner ended up costing Lester an extra 14 pitches. He would have been out there in the 7th inning rather than Ramirez and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have loaded the bases with no outs.

The umpiring was horrendous last night all around. Conspiracy against the Red Sox? Of course not. But to dismiss it as not a big deal is ludicrous.
As an Angel fan who is thrilled with the victory, I agree that the umps were horrible last night. I did see a couple things that went against the Angels (one at third and one at first) but the Sox gots the worst of it last night. Let's hope the umps don't continue to be part of the story.

Go Halos!!

Neil
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
And just so you can see it, here is the other missed call by CB Buckner causing Lester to get a 4th out:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index...50351&st=60&start=60

scroll down to bottom of page.


The bunt that followed Aybar's double that preceded Abreu's walk that preceded Hunter's homerun. Would have been a grand slam instead of a 3 run homer if we are playing that game. 1 run taken off the board directly. Even New England sports coverage admitted this - Figgins Safe

Yes, the way Bud appointed a partial owner of the Red Sox to investigate and report and then his report remarkably focuses on his team's main rival and totally ignores the rampant steroid abuse in his own clubhouse.

I am not arguing one way or another over blown calls - that blown calls went against the Red Sox is unfortunate as all blown calls are -but they even out and are not why they lost. They lost because they could not hit or score.
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
[
The bunt that followed Aybar's double that preceded Abreu's walk that preceded Hunter's homerun. Would have been a grand slam instead of a 3 run homer if we are playing that game. 1 run taken off the board directly. Even New England sports coverage admitted this - Figgins Safe

Yes, the way Bud appointed a partial owner of the Red Sox to investigate and report and then his report remarkably focuses on his team's main rival and totally ignores the rampant steroid abuse in his own clubhouse.

I am not arguing one way or another over blown calls - that blown calls went against the Red Sox is unfortunate as all blown calls are -but they even out and are not why they lost. They lost because they could not hit or score.


Debatable on the Figgins bunt. Actually, it looked like he was safe. Says the New York Times:

"Update | 11:12 p.m. C.B. Bucknor update: After Erick Aybar opened the top of the fifth with a double down the left-field line, Chone Figgins put down a sacrifice-minded bunt to Lester, who threw wildly enough to first for Youkilis to leave the bag to catch it. He leaped back to tag the base awkwardly enough that it appeared as if Figgins’s foot might have beaten Youkilis’s to the bag. Bucknor called Figgins out, to his and Manager Mike Scioscia’s considerable consternation.

But replays showed that Youkilis stepped on the bag perhaps a half-centimeter before Figgins did. In a game with no scoring to this point, score one for Bucknor."

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/...ysis-red-sox-angels/

With respect to George Mitchell, he is not a partial owner of the Red Sox. He is the club director. And do you think that the volume of Yankees included in the report wasn't mostly because of the fact that Clemens' rat trainer outed them all? Tough to allege bias when you don't know how much of the information exposed came from one or two major sources.

Lastly, re-read my posts. Never claimed that's why they lost.
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
[
The bunt that followed Aybar's double that preceded Abreu's walk that preceded Hunter's homerun. Would have been a grand slam instead of a 3 run homer if we are playing that game. 1 run taken off the board directly. Even New England sports coverage admitted this - Figgins Safe

Yes, the way Bud appointed a partial owner of the Red Sox to investigate and report and then his report remarkably focuses on his team's main rival and totally ignores the rampant steroid abuse in his own clubhouse.

I am not arguing one way or another over blown calls - that blown calls went against the Red Sox is unfortunate as all blown calls are -but they even out and are not why they lost. They lost because they could not hit or score.


Debatable on the Figgins bunt. Actually, it looked like he was safe. Says the New York Times:

"Update | 11:12 p.m. C.B. Bucknor update: After Erick Aybar opened the top of the fifth with a double down the left-field line, Chone Figgins put down a sacrifice-minded bunt to Lester, who threw wildly enough to first for Youkilis to leave the bag to catch it. He leaped back to tag the base awkwardly enough that it appeared as if Figgins’s foot might have beaten Youkilis’s to the bag. Bucknor called Figgins out, to his and Manager Mike Scioscia’s considerable consternation.

But replays showed that Youkilis stepped on the bag perhaps a half-centimeter before Figgins did. In a game with no scoring to this point, score one for Bucknor."

http://bats.blogs.nytimes.com/...ysis-red-sox-angels/

With respect to George Mitchell, he is not a partial owner of the Red Sox. He is the club director. And do you think that the volume of Yankees included in the report wasn't mostly because of the fact that Clemens' rat trainer outed them all? Tough to allege bias when you don't know how much of the information exposed came from one or two major sources.

Lastly, re-read my posts. Never claimed that's why they lost.


I was not directing my comments at you MWN - Easy to allege Bias against Mitchell - not that who was included was wrong but thay he did not make any attempt to investigate his own team. My bad director, not owner, makes no difference
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Easy to allege Bias against Mitchell - not that who was included was wrong but thay he did not make any attempt to investigate his own team.


And you can substantiate this how?


Director of Red Sox files supposedly objective report that totally ignores rampant steroid use of his own team - Res Ipsa Loquitur. If you cannot see bias in that, perhaps you are a little too blinded by your own allegiance. If you would like direct evidence of his bias, I admit I do not have any.
Or it's the fact that Brian McNamee and Kirk Radomski were the two biggest NARCs during the investigation and that others during the investigation were extremely tight-lipped.

Also, when the report came out there were no at the time) current Red Sox and 2 (at the time) current Yankees players than it's 0 and 2 (Giambi and Pettitte). At the time the report was written however, it was 2 (Brendan Donneley, and Gagne) and 2. Also, there were 13 former Red Sox and 21 former Yankees players.

Lastly, there were some huge names on that list that were powerhouses in the early 2000's such as Sheffield, Giambi, Clemens. What about the theory that the Yankees bought the best players on the market at the time and those players happened to be performing so well due to the aid from PED's they were getting.

Do the things really speak for themselves? I don't think so.
quote:
Originally posted by MiamiWineNovice:
Or it's the fact that Brian McNamee and Kirk Radomski were the two biggest NARCs during the investigation and that others during the investigation were extremely tight-lipped.

Also, when the report came out there were no at the time) current Red Sox and 2 (at the time) current Yankees players than it's 0 and 2 (Giambi and Pettitte). At the time the report was written however, it was 2 (Brendan Donneley, and Gagne) and 2. Also, there were 13 former Red Sox and 21 former Yankees players.

Lastly, there were some huge names on that list that were powerhouses in the early 2000's such as Sheffield, Giambi, Clemens. What about the theory that the Yankees bought the best players on the market at the time and those players happened to be performing so well due to the aid from PED's they were getting.

Do the things really speak for themselves? I don't think so.


Whatever helps you sleep at night man - I am sure no high profile memebers of the saintly Dead Sox could possibly have been on steroids even though all the teams were full of juiced players, whether elite players or journeymen trying to stay in the league. I am sure it would have been very hard for Mitchell to have investigated his own team and found some evidence of use. All he had to do was walk in the clubhouse. Anyway, enough discussing this issue with you - if you don't see the obvious problem with the the Mitchell Report, then it is really not worth spending more time or energy on it.

I take it all back, Mitchell should be canonized, the Israelis and Palestinians are lucky that he has been assigned to their problems, and no member of the Red Sox other than Manny Alexander was on the juice. Wink - and if anyone buys that, I have a nice piece of property to sell you that runs from Manhattan to Brooklyn (or vice versa if you prefer) - made out of metal and concrete and I will get you a good price.

Add Reply

Likes (0)
×
×
×
×