Is there something I can look for in a tasting note to avoid a certain "sweetness" in red wines typically in the finish? I like Syrah and my wife likes it a lot. But she tends to like a few Australian shirazes that have a certain "sweetness" in the finish. But I haven't been able to find anything in particular in the tasting note to warn me this is coming. When folks refer to "jammy" is that the word?

The particular shirazes are Pirramimma and Shotfire Ridge. I was happy with the Shotfire Ridge 2005 because the first couple of bottles I tried didn't have this, but the latest one did. I really like these wines but that little taste at the end I could do without.

And will it lose this with age?

Thanks,
-a
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I call it "jammy", and that is why I buy few Australian red wines. Obviously, from the way it sells, lots of people love the "jammy" notes.

Not all Australian Shirazes have it, but in general the less expensive ones are more likely to than high priced wines. There are many posters here who can help you pick out non-jammy examples, but another approach is to try Syrahs from Washington State instead.

Tasting notes won't be an effective screen, and the wines won't lose the "jamminess" within an acceptable drinking window.
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Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
Welcome to the new world!


I still think the New World can do good things. Pleasantly and recently surprised by a Sextant Zinfandel that I found to be jammy, yet done right. But lately I have been spending most of my dollars on French and Italian as I feel they offer the flavors and value that I like. I think CA will come to its senses, or I need to tour Napa and surrounding wine country. Terraces Cabernet Sauvignon was a wonderful wine. Sweet, fruity wine can be nice when it is not one dimensional ****ty.

Sorry for the rant, to answer your question. I am avoiding the taste of alcohol, sugar and unnaturally sweet fruit.
When I think of "jammy," I think of zinfandel's. Perfect example is the Tobin James Zinfandel. It's very thick and "jammy." Last night we drank a Napa Cellar zinfandel, and it was not "jammy" at all.

I know there are great Aussie shiraz out there, but I have never expected anything great out of them, but that is mostly because I won't dish out the big bucks for them. Would much rather spend that money on the French wines at the moment as well.

-mJ
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Originally posted by dannyk8232:
Be sure to avoid every wine Two Hands makes. They seem to dump sugar into the barrels by the truckload.


Do you feel this way about the Garden series as well? I have never tried these, but have been tempted to pick up some of the '05s. The tasting note on the Bella's Garden was interesting to me.
2 Hands bad impersonator focuses on flavors more typical of a N Rhone (Olive, tar, cigar).
Bella's Garden is made with very ripe grapes, but is far from what I would call "jammy". These wines are balanced and elegant, finishing very dry and long. RP and WS didn’t pull the classic ratings out of their butts.
I find that the cheap "value" Shiraz that RP slaps an 88 point score on while praising the $12 price tag are wines that may have some residual sugar that comes through on the finish. Avoid anything that RP likes with an animal on the label that costs less than a ten spot. You will find this in some Zinfandel, too.
Try some Northern Rhones.
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Originally posted by Keeno:
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Originally posted by dannyk8232:
Be sure to avoid every wine Two Hands makes. They seem to dump sugar into the barrels by the truckload.


Do you feel this way about the Garden series as well? I have never tried these, but have been tempted to pick up some of the '05s. The tasting note on the Bella's Garden was interesting to me.


Sorry for the thread drift, but...

Yes, Keeno, try the garden series. These tend to be consistent from year to year and IMHO, should not disappoint. I recently had the 02 Lily's and 03 Harry and Edward's. Both were fabulous. I tend to like them with a couple years of age on them. They seem to be a little softer and rounder. Enjoy.

You will note that lately it seems to fashionable to bash Aussie Shiraz around here. Roll Eyes

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.
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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state:
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Originally posted by Keeno:
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Originally posted by dannyk8232:
Be sure to avoid every wine Two Hands makes. They seem to dump sugar into the barrels by the truckload.


Do you feel this way about the Garden series as well? I have never tried these, but have been tempted to pick up some of the '05s. The tasting note on the Bella's Garden was interesting to me.


Sorry for the thread drift, but...

Yes, Keeno, try the garden series. These tend to be consistent from year to year and IMHO, should not disappoint. I recently had the 02 Lily's and 03 Harry and Edward's. Both were fabulous. I tend to like them with a couple years of age on them. They seem to be a little softer and rounder. Enjoy.

You will note that lately it seems to fashionable to bash Aussie Shiraz around here. Roll Eyes

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread.


Red Guy and Jnasty: Thanks for the info of the Garden wines - Sorry to thread off course.

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