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bman...are your still there?

Just thought I would check to see if your OK!

Your beloved Bruins blow a 3 games to 1 lead and bow to the Habs. Who da thunk it!
Eek
I feel for you buddy!
I'm thinking Mrs. bman had to hide all sharp objects in the house after that final loss...
Razz

I guess you can cheer your local Team now Wink

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I've never been a Buds fan, I'm hoping the Sens finally break the Leafs curse...but my hockey sense says the Leafs will prevail...even without Sundin.

vinaigre
I anticipate the Habs - Lightning series will be very entertaining... two extremely quick-fast skating Teams with good goalies in both ends.

Being out West...I was dissappointed that the Canucks and Flames had to meet in the first round, I like both Teams. The hardest working Team won (Calgary) in my opinion.

Dom
re/ Sharks and Avs...I'm waiting for tlily and Vitis to make a bet...

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Since I was born and raised in Boston and Chicago does not even have a NHL team. I was crushed when the f!!&&## Bruins collapsed again. I believe the B's are now 7-23 in series against the Canadiens.

Pathetic Mad

Patriots' Day in Boston was a good view of sports in Boston at this point in time. The Red Sox win a series from the Yankees, they are on the rise. The marathon is won by some Kenyans - same as usual. The Patriots creatively use a 2nd round pick to get a very productive running back, they just keep getting better. The Bruins get sacked, they need to re-think their approach. Finally, no one really cares about the Celtics they barely make the playoffs and are now fodder for the Larry Bird/Rick Carlisle Pacers.

"Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever" - Aristophanes
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Originally posted by baird6869:
_vinaigre and duojet_

I can't believe you could post so soon after the miracle last night!!! I would still be in shock if I was a Habs fan Wink Big Grin


What's so shocking? Wink
- That the Habs have beaten the Bruins 23 times out of the 30 times they've faced each other?
- That the Habs outplayed Boston in games 2 and 4 but still lost them?
- That the Habs will get farther into the playoffs that the high-priced Laffs... sorry I mean Leafs?
Duojet

I was -2 (as in not born!) years old the last time the Leafs won the cup. At least you have seen success in Montreal in recent memory as opposed to year after year of miserable failure.

Remember Harold Ballard??? The Corson for Kordic trade??? Peter Ing in net??? Need I go on???

Leaf fans have to be cocky... when we lose we can always make an excuse to explain our failure. We do this year after year and are very good at it!

E.g. If Toronto loses tonight I will blame it on Sundin and Nolan being out and the obvious fact that Francais and Molgilny are hiding injuries Wink Big Grin You can quote me on that!

Go Leafs Go!!!
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Originally posted by baird6869:
_Duojet_

I was -2 (as in not born!) years old the last time the Leafs won the cup. At least you have seen success in Montreal in recent memory as opposed to year after year of miserable failure.

Remember Harold Ballard??? The Corson for Kordic trade??? Peter Ing in net??? Need I go on???

Leaf fans have to be cocky... when we lose we can always make an excuse to explain our failure. We do this year after year and are very good at it!

E.g. If Toronto loses tonight I will blame it on Sundin and Nolan being out and the obvious fact that Francais and Molgilny are hiding injuries Wink Big Grin You can quote me on that!

Go Leafs Go!!!


Baird,

I forget that Leafs can be a sensitive bunch (note that I didn't say whiny!)

There's nothing that would appeal to me more than a conference final matching the Habs vs. the Leafs.

BTW.. Kordic was traded for Russ Courtnall.
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Originally posted by baird6869:
_vinaigre and duojet_

I can't believe you could post so soon after the miracle last night!!! I would still be in shock if I was a Habs fan Wink Big Grin


THEY WON ?????
I was talking about the Leafs / Senators !!! Big Grin

LOL !!!!

I actually catched only the end of the game ...
Wacthed the first goal go in.. and held my breath for the next six minutes !!!!

JL

I once had a glass of wine, and haven't stopped since...
Steve8, a bruins fan? Are you kidding me? Did you have any friends growing up? You seemed so normal when I met you, I guess first impressions can be deceiving.

Bman- shame on you too for rooting for the B's.

What jubilation to see that amazing comeback from a 3-1 game deficit!

Go habs go.

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Yes, but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.
Since grossie did not take me to task for saying that Chicago has no NHL team he must therefore agree that the Blackhawks are at best an IHL team. I think that perhaps in a 7 game series the Wolves might prevail! Big Grin

Steve8 I honestly thought that Sinden had died or at least moved on! Perhaps that is the Bruins curse that he never dies. Eek

Those front runners that cheer for the Canadiens are the same meatheads that jump the Yankees band wagon each year.

"Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever" - Aristophanes
Chitown- I will have you know that I have rooted for the Blackhawks once in a while only because I have apopted Chicago as my home. I think the Blackhawks could be the worst professional oganization in professional sports, starting from the top with Mr. Wirtz. I think the Expos are a better organization because at least they value their farm teams. (they have other problems, too numerous for this discussion).

Many of the members here are aware of the fact that I am a native Montrealer, born and raised on the Habs. So, if that bandwagon comment was meant for me, think again. I have every right to cheer for mes habitants. It's the craphawks that I'll cheer for on the bandwagon, and that wagon had the wheels fall off a long time ago.

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Yes, but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.
Of course my heart is broken, but of course I am used to it after 35 years as a Bruins fan. A true fan does not abandon his team even when they find yet another way to lose to the Hated Habs.

My only interest in the Sens is that my wife and daughter are fans, and now everyone in town will be grumpy tomorrow, and for the rest of the week/month/year. Well, not everyone since many of those who were Toronto or Montreal fans before the Sens existed have remained loyal.

For the record, I also continue to be a Pistons, Tigers and Lions fan. Also the English football and cricket teams

Now you know all my sports secrets....

Bruins rule! (please!!!!)
grossie

I now understand you better and can accept you as a fellow forumite could even begin to respect your wine knowledge and experience.

However as far as being a Canadiens fan, I will just have to try and overlook that flaw in your character.

But then we all have flaws Wink

"Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that I may wet my mind and say something clever" - Aristophanes
Grossie. I'm not a native Montrealer and just because I moved here 19 years ago and love it here does not mean I will betray my loyalty to the Bruins. Even if I live here for another 20 years I WILL NEVER, EVER BECOME A HABS FAN! Habs fans are as bad winners as they are losers. Case in point, the rats were lining up to crucify Kovalev after "he lost game 4 in overtime". Now he's a hero again. Puke.

Chitown. Sinden is definitely the problem.

Futronic. Leaf/Habs series. Yawn. Those two teams play such boring games against each other. Besides the Habs are going down to Tampa. Pleeeeease.

Bman. You're a Tigers fan too?? We need to get together to share some wine and commiserate.
tyee: hey bud, shoot me an email, vitisvinifera98@yahoo.com

I will bet my yet-to-be-conceived first child that the Avs will take down the Sharks. Any fan knows that the Avs have completely owned the Sharks, regular season and post season, ever since the Avs moved to Denver. While the Stars proved to be heartless pushovers, I expect a lot more grit from the Sharks, and am gleeful in expectation for this series to start. If Abby turns out to be the rightful heir to Saint Patrick's throne, life is good for Avs fans.

-Vitis Vinifera

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Originally posted by steve8:
Grossie. I'm not a native Montrealer and just because I moved here 19 years ago and love it here does not mean I will betray my loyalty to the Bruins. Even if I live here for another 20 years I WILL NEVER, EVER BECOME A HABS FAN!


Steve, you're not alone.

I grew up in Montreal and when I was a kid, there were only two types of hockey fans in the city: those that cheered for the Habs or those that cheered for the Bruins. This was in the late 70s early 80s when both had good teams... no wait. The Bruins were good, the bleu, blanc et rouge were great!
Steve8

The only thing I'll say is that there's only one thing worse than being a Habs fan when they are losing: It's being the person who is always on the other side of ANY team playing the one they hate. So where are your real loyalties? Back where you were raised? You must be from Toronto, Boston or some other Stanley Cup deprived city... Maybe it's Quebec City! You still haven't forgiven us for the game 7 defeat back in 1986 and the loss of your beloved Nordiques.

As if it weren't obvious already, I'm a huge Habs fan (born and raised in Mtl - I remember the glory years of the '70s and the one-offs of the '80s and '90s). I've put up with years of poor play, dwindling talent in the face of a decreasing CAD$ and disappointing near misses in the play-offs. But at least I keep on hoping that this will be the year that the Habs go ALL THE WAY (again)!!!!

Watch out Lightning.

Go Habs Go!!!!
Go Habs Go!!!!
Go Habs Go!!!!

BirDungy

I came here for a good argument!

AH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!

BirDungy. Nope. Grew up in southwestern Ontario and Bobby Orr was the reason I became a Bruins fan. I also remember the Habs glory years of the '70s and the many great series between the two teams, even if Boston came out on the short end all of the time, except '71. 35 years (!) of rivalry has built up a pretty good level of hatred for the Habs. ANYONE BUT THE HABS!!! Go Tampa. Razz
Growing up...I caught the tail end of the original six (last few years). Hated Montreal, Toronto, and New York...cheered for Boston, Detroit, and Chicago. Then Bobby Orr arrived and I became mostly a Bruins fan.
Funny thing is, over the years of expansion(s) I really don't have a 'Favorite Team' any more.

Being a competitive coach, I am more of an observer rather than a fan just watching the game. I watch for the 'Game within the Game' so to speak...line match-ups, systems, etc. (though it is hard to observe systems watching on TV).

Tyee Predictions:

Red Wings over the Flames in 5 games.
Wings just have too much fire-power...Flames had to work too hard (physically) in a 7 game series vs the Canucks. Sutter's coaching and Kiprusoff may extend this series further...but the Red Wings will win.

Sharks over the Avs in 7 games.
Ron Wilson is just that much better of a Coach over Granato...goaltending will also be a key for both Teams.

Habs over the Lightning in 7 games.
Expectations...tradition...are in the Habs favour, other than that, you could toss a coin with these two teams.

Flyers over the Leafs in 6 games.
The goaltending battle could sink me on this prediction...Leafs line-up just may be too old to 'Bring It' two series in a row.

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What Steve8 said! Big Grin

The reason I am a Bruins fan is a simple story I've told here before, but am happy to tell again -- my cousin played for the Bruins when they last won the Cup. In fact he was on the ice, alone in front of Glen Hall, when Bobby Orr scored his famous overtime goal that saw him flying through the air, hands and stick upraised, a look of pure joy on his face! One of the great sports photos in history, most copies of which include my cousin.

I grew up in Windsor (JHD - hence my other Detroit loyalties), so whenever the Bruins would play in Detroit, each player could get two free tickets behind the bench. And I got to sit in one them several times a year. This was the era before team benches were encased in plexiglass, so we could actually hear the players talk, since we were only a few feet away.

After each game, my cousin would go out for pizza with my parents and anyone else who came along with us. We'd wait to meet him outside the Bruins dressing room. whenever he came out he'd introduce us to whoever else was there, so I met Orr, Esposito, Bucyk, Derek Sanderson, Gerry Cheevers, all of those golden age Bruins.

All this of course made a lasting impression on a teenaged hockey fan, especially when they won the Cup (though of course they lost as often to the Hated Habs! Mad). But nevermind, it's why I remain a loyal Bruins fan today, notwithstanding another disappointment. C'est hockey! Smile

And BTW, I've purposely left out the name of my cousin - who can guess first? (not counting Tyee, who I think read a version of this story last year about this time!)

Bruins rule! (please!!!!)
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If Robert Esche chokes in the playoffs like every other Flyers goalie since Bernie Parent, the Flyers will be in deep trouble.

If Esche plays well, the Leafs will be done in 5 or 6 games.

I think the Leafs are going to have a tough time beating the Flyers as guys like Primeau will prevent Belfour from seeing the puck and are too big to be moved out of the way.

I'm crossing my fingers, but I think the winner of this series has a very good shot at winning it all....
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Originally posted by baird6869:
_Leaf fans (or Leaf haters)..._

I have it under very good authority that Sundin has a bigger problem than we have been led to believe.

There is a chance that he is done for the year. The injury might be a groin injury, not the ankle, but who knows.

Keep in mind that Toronto plays amazingly when Sundin is out........


Like it makes a difference. Sundin turns into Mr. Invisible come springtime
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Like it makes a difference. Sundin turns into Mr. Invisible come springtime

Doujet
Let's be fair.
Sundin becomes Mr. Invisible because opponents have their top defensive player(s) shadow him...
Contribution is a subjective term...
What Sundin can do, if he plays, is draw the Flyers top defensive line and/or defense pair, this would allow the Leafs secondary lines more of a chance to score.
Make no mistake, having Sundin out hurts the Buds.

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That's 99% sound and 1% advice
Funny how much you like a guy like Tucker when he is on your side. He is a pain in the ass, plain and simple. Other teams hate him as he drives them nuts. He is very popular in Toronto.

I bet Ulf Sammuelson had fans in the cities he played in and Sammuelson is much worse than Tucker will ever be.

That is a cheap shot artist...
Hey, Dad, we're exiled Sharks fans, living in Texas. The last time we went to a Sharks playoff game was in Dallas. Our tickets had "Stars Club" on them so I went in to use the facilities, wearing my nice teal jersey Big Grin Dallas fans are awfully polite.

Hopefully we'll be able to get tickets to the NEXT round in San Jose and maybe an offline.
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Originally posted by tyee:
Doujet
Let's be fair.
Sundin becomes Mr. Invisible because opponents have their top defensive player(s) shadow him...
Contribution is a subjective term...
What Sundin can do, if he plays, is draw the Flyers top defensive line and/or defense pair, this would allow the Leafs secondary lines more of a chance to score.
Make no mistake, having Sundin out hurts the Buds.

I offer sound advice.
That's 99% sound and 1% advice



With all due respect, the same can be said for every star player at this time of the year. The difference is that some players thrive under pressure and deliver; others wilt.

Sundin first started his disappearance act with the Nordiques in 93 (the last year the Habs won the Cup). The team traded him and kept Joe Sakic. Joe's gone to win 2 cups for the now re-located Avs. What's Mats done?
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Originally posted by bman:
Of course my heart is broken, but of course I am used to it after 35 years as a Bruins fan. A true fan does not abandon his team even when they find yet another way to lose to the Hated Habs.

Bruins rule! (please!!!!)


Bman,
I am suffering right there with you.
I was at the 1990 Stanely cup final where the B's lost in triple overtime to the Oilers on a goal by Peter Klima (It still hurts, they were swept that series) Mad As long as Jacobs is the owner, the Bruins will not win another stanely cup Mad

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barcaman - I'm going out on a limb here and guessing that you're not Spanish, notwithstanding your WS forums address?

I put the blame for the Bruins only on the team as a whole. Several times, this year included, they showed character during the season only to leave early in the playoffs. What I think they lack is a Cam Neely/Ray Borque-style character player, who will step up in the playoffs and make it happen. Those guys were big scorers with big salaries, but lesser scorers can still fill that role in the playoffs. Thornton could have become the player he is expected to eventually be, but either he never will, or he was truly hurt badly enough that he just couldn't.

I'm not crazy about Harry Sinden either.

Bruins rule!
Bman. I thought Boston was inconsistent all year long. They only finished 2nd because of all the ties they managed. Agree that Thornton is an under-achiever, but I do think he was hurting in the playoffs. Still haven't seen what his injury was for sure other than "rib". Very uncomfortable injury. Sinden has to go. The only players that should be exempt from a "house-cleaning" are Raycroft and Samsonov. Nylander if he wants to stay.

Oh yeah. Gotta love the Lightning. Can you say 4 straight??
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Joe Thornton played with a torn cartilage between his rib cage.
Give Thornton credit, he got this injury in the last week of the regular season, its' suppose to take 6 weeks for that type of injury to heal...if you don't play!
I've played with rib injuries back in my day (bruised-cracked-broken ribs)...imagine trying to play hockey with every contact, every movement, every pass or shot, every breath causing sharp excruciating pain.
I admire Thornton, he sucked it up and played pretty damn good considering...and made no excuses.
I think he exemplifies what a Boston Bruin player is suppose to be...

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tyee,

I think Bobo Vinifera has a good ring to it.

I'm still gonna sit quietly and save the trash talking. My nicknames I've screamed so far from row 6:

"Melt Down Man" at Pronger also "Moron", "Idiot", "Dolt"
"Old Man" Tkachuk
"Flopper" at Forsberg
"Turtle" at Barnaby
"Scratch" Selanne (14 goals, 16 assists, 270 dives, all for 6 million a year.)

The Avs looked like a swim team. All they needed was speedos and the little eye glasses to complete the diving outfits.

Tony Granato's coaching started out as "Try what St. Louis did" the Blues exiting 4 games to 1 might have been a clue but, after lossing 5-2 and 4-1, it became "Flop around on the ice like a dead fish and see if you can get a penalty".

I will take bets on how fast he's unemployeed though. 2 days is the over under.

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tlily

Did you and Vitis have a bet? Razz
I've no comment on your 'Av Diving' accusations, but I'm pretty sure Vitis will have something to say...
Eek Wink Big Grin

Sharks vs Flames...this should be a great match-up. Two Teams that play a similar style, and both have hot goalies.

BTW...time to review my second round picks:

Tyee Predictions:

Red Wings over the Flames in 5 games.
Wow, was I wrong!

Sharks over the Avs in 7 games.
OK...it was in 6 games...so sue me!

Habs over the Lightning in 7 games.
A Double - Wow, was I wrong!

Flyers over the Leafs in 6 games.
Right on the nose.

2 for 4 just doesn't cut it.


My Division Championship predictions:

Sharks over the Flames in 7 games.

Flyers over the Lightning in 6 games.

tlily...want to bet on the Sharks - Flames series?
Though I predict the Sharks to win, I'm not opposed to betting on the Flames just to make it interesting...hell they proved me wrong the last series...

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tlily

I may drive across the border once every two years, but I would think alot depends on the date and/or day of the week and/or time of day.
Crossing into Canada from the U.S. may not be as daunting as the opposite.
I've heard of border line-ups 4 - 6 hours long.

Living on Vancouver Island, I usually book passage on a Wash. State ferry from Victoria. Customs is present at the ferry terminals on both sides.

There is a privately owned foot pass. ferry right out of downtown Seattle into downtown Victoria
web page here
...or a Wash State ferry web page here

BTW, I like the coaching match-up in our series, Wilson vs Sutter...it will be very interesting.

I offer sound advice.
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As much as I would like to see Tampa Bay smacked around and have them lose to the Flyers, I think they will probably win.

I am torn over who to root for in the west. I like that Ron Wilson, ex-coach for the Caps, is doing so well with the Sharks, so I kind of what to root for the Sharks. BUT, I have LOVED watching the practically rabid Calgary fans. The flaming hair their fans sometimes wear is hilarious. Besides, it'd be kewl to see a Canadian team in the Stanley Cup Finals. But, while I think I'd like Calgary to win, I think the Sharks will do it.

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I did not think the Flyers played better or worst than the first game but when your goalie turns cold, this is what happened and the Flyers laid low in the third period when they could have scored one or two more on two 5 on 3 but decided not to get injured and to avoid putting someone in front of that noname goalie they had in there.
I think Tampa will rebound strong but Philly will win in 6.

Out west: Go flames! I'd rather the Flyers play the Flames than San jose.
From down close on Sunday, the Sharks dominated the Flames. Especially after the first period. The Flames D could not cope with the Sharks speed and struggled to move the puck. Hannan shut down Iginla, like he did with Tkachuk and Forsberg. (I tipped you on him first, remember TJ?) Of course that means nothing against a hot goalie, or a bad line change not a damn thing.

Should be a great game tonight.

I think speed is the word this year: Tampa 4-2. They got cooked last night, but that's common for young teams in the playoffs. They usually have a couple games they just melt down in.

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It will be fun to see how the Sharks play under the pressure...
When you lose game one in your own building, the underlying urgency is you HAVE TO WIN game two.

Calgary's defense operates a little differently than most...it will also be interesting to see how they handle San Jose' physical-ness in game two. They struggled with the Ricci-Thornton-CheeChoo (or is it Hannan on that line?) line in particular.

It appears Calgary's defensive zone coverage (which most of the Teams are playing as well) is primarily a wagon wheel (to use a simple term), with the slot being the hub, and all the pressure being exerted outwards like spokes in the wheel.
Calgary's D-men seemed to only be concerned with body position low in their own zone while everyone else collapses to the net...this allowed the Sharks to move the puck somewhat around the perimeter. Point shot lanes were usually closed down with shots being blocked or deflected, and any attempt to set up a shot in the 'Red Zone' was met with pressure.

A must win for San Jose (and tlily Wink) tonight.

Philly and Tampa

Can Tampa rebound from that pounding.
Can Tampa's coach Tortorella rebound...don't forget, the series shifts back to Philly where Hitchcock will have last change, thus the upper hand in matching lines.

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...and I knew I had to watch that damn boring clog defense with the 3 man high offense all season, I probably would not have renewed my tickets.


tlily
That damn boring 'Style', unfortunately, is more times than not, the style teams need to play to win championships.
Take the Canucks as an example...they built a very entertaining team to watch, but when it comes to playoffs, they just can't win with that run-and-gun offense...sad but true!

Even Tampa Bay isn't a true offensive team, they employ quick counter attack systems.

To make it deep into the playoffs, you need a solid defensive strategy, a committed line up (top to bottom), some luck, and/or a hot goalie.

I offer sound advice.
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Originally posted by tlily:
From down close on Sunday, the Sharks dominated the Flames. Especially after the first period. The Flames D could not cope with the Sharks speed and struggled to move the puck. Hannan shut down Iginla, like he did with Tkachuk and Forsberg. (I tipped you on him first, remember TJ?) Of course that means nothing against a hot goalie, or a bad line change not a damn thing.

Should be a great game tonight.

I think speed is the word this year: Tampa 4-2. They got cooked last night, but that's common for young teams in the playoffs. They usually have a couple games they just melt down in.

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Yeah, I remember, tlily. Cool

I am hoping there are more close games the rest of the two series. I LOVE close games, the ones that make you feel like you're on a roller coaster or on the edge of your seat.

Ron Wilson better get his team charged up, they're heading into a fiery pit of hell for the next couple of games.

I really want the Flyers to win, just so Martin St. Louis doesn't get to go to the Stanley Cup Finals, if for nothing else. Razz

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Boy what a game last night. Primeau tied the game with less than 2 minutes and Gagne wins it in OT.
Looking forward to Game 7 on Saturday.

Calgary is extremely surprising to me. How can you win with a one player team. I think the cup stays in the Eastern conference no matter what happen Saturday.

I have a lot of friends coming and some decent wines for the game Saturday night!
Great game - Gagne's first goal and Primeau's late goal in the 3rd period were both sweet! Gagne tipped the puck out of midair to score; while Primeau passed the puck across the crease behind the goalie to himself for the tying goal - good thing it didn't go in on the kick though.

Primeau is becomming a sports icon in Philly!

GO FLYERS!!!!

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