http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07...l?src=me&ref=general
found it amusing, i'd must admit if anyone came over to my house and told me they have some crazy dietary restrictions, they should bring their own food.
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The mrs. doesn't eat meat on a bone (Geez I feel I just threw out a softball there), so I'll be throwing a pork butt on the smoker to go along with the ribs Wednesday. That's about as tolerant as I get when dining a chez snipes.
If one of my friends told me they were gluten free, the first thing I would respond with after looking up what exactly that means is "I'll save you a spot on the grill for whatever you are bringing".
This ain't Burger King.
If one of my friends told me they were gluten free, the first thing I would respond with after looking up what exactly that means is "I'll save you a spot on the grill for whatever you are bringing".
This ain't Burger King.
I think you meant guests, g-man?
Anyway, they lost me with this line:
The mood lifted only when someone else arrived with a large bowl of quinoa and lentils.
Fun crowd.
It's all relative. I have friends with different dietary issues (none of them get excited when someone shows up with quinoa and lentils that I'm aware of) and I just deal with it. For larger gatherings, I usually have an assortment of foods that will work for just about anyone.
I dated a woman with gluten intolerance for a bit, and it was a real challenge when it came to food/cooking as I'm a nut for breads etc. The thing with gluten for those seriously affected is that it's a medical thing not just being a picky eater, so these folks get a pass from me. Even a little bit of flour in a gravy or something innocuous like that can make one of these people pretty sick.
PH
Anyway, they lost me with this line:
The mood lifted only when someone else arrived with a large bowl of quinoa and lentils.
Fun crowd.
It's all relative. I have friends with different dietary issues (none of them get excited when someone shows up with quinoa and lentils that I'm aware of) and I just deal with it. For larger gatherings, I usually have an assortment of foods that will work for just about anyone.
I dated a woman with gluten intolerance for a bit, and it was a real challenge when it came to food/cooking as I'm a nut for breads etc. The thing with gluten for those seriously affected is that it's a medical thing not just being a picky eater, so these folks get a pass from me. Even a little bit of flour in a gravy or something innocuous like that can make one of these people pretty sick.
PH
What did people eat before all this gluten-free products came out on the supermarket shelves? I don't doubt there are a small % of population that are allergic to gluten, but big enough of group to market out there? I think it's another fad that will go away in a few years.
quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
What did people eat before all this gluten-free products came out on the supermarket shelves? I don't doubt there are a small % of population that are allergic to gluten, but big enough of group to market out there? I think it's another fad that will go away in a few years.
Fad?
You couldn't be more wrong on this, DoubleD.
Many people were just unaware of the "allergy" and either went around feeling sick all the time, or learned to avoid foods that caused the reaction. There are varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten, and each case is different.
Most of the "gluten free" products that are really popular out there now are things like breads, flours etc. that those affected just couldn't eat at all until the substitutes were created.
PH
quote:Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
Many people were just unaware of the "allergy" and either went around feeling sick all the time, or learned to avoid foods that caused the reaction. There are varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten, and each case is different.
PH
man, that must be why I get those killer hangovers when I drink too much beer!!
“Like a lot of chefs, I’m convinced that these diets are not always the results of the compromised immune systems of American diners, but their growing infantilism and narcissism,” he said.
Can't say it much better than that.
I've got a severe food allergy. Most of our close friends have one or two things they have to avoid, but we're a self regulating group and no one ever makes a big deal about it or asks anyone to modify a dinner plan based on it. If they did, well the term 'close friends' is self defining isn't it?
Can't say it much better than that.
I've got a severe food allergy. Most of our close friends have one or two things they have to avoid, but we're a self regulating group and no one ever makes a big deal about it or asks anyone to modify a dinner plan based on it. If they did, well the term 'close friends' is self defining isn't it?
quote:Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I've got a severe food allergy. Most of our close friends have one or two things they have to avoid, but we're a self regulating group and no one ever makes a big deal about it or asks anyone to modify a dinner plan based on it. If they did, well the term 'close friends' is self defining isn't it?
i'm actually allergic to shrimp, but it's quite popular to serve.
I do the bad thing and pop 2-3 benedryls before dinner.
makes the wine hit faster
quote:Originally posted by PurpleHaze:quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
What did people eat before all this gluten-free products came out on the supermarket shelves? I don't doubt there are a small % of population that are allergic to gluten, but big enough of group to market out there? I think it's another fad that will go away in a few years.
Fad?
You couldn't be more wrong on this, DoubleD.
Many people were just unaware of the "allergy" and either went around feeling sick all the time, or learned to avoid foods that caused the reaction. There are varying degrees of sensitivity to gluten, and each case is different.
Most of the "gluten free" products that are really popular out there now are things like breads, flours etc. that those affected just couldn't eat at all until the substitutes were created.
PH
I know someone with celiac and just a little gluten makes her miserable. It takes a while to recover, weeks. 1/132 of the population has celiacs.
Some people without celiac's report feeling better for avoiding gluten. Heard of a tennis player who gave it up and he reported an increase in stamina + improvement in his game. These are the people who are accused of being trendy or chasing a fad. If you feel better for avoiding something, which is a hassle does it really matter that a scientist has not identified the actual explanation?
I don't have any serious food allergies, but almonds are a migraine trigger for me. I eat around them, big deal.
Real food allergies shouldn't be trifled with. G-man, you're playing with fire just popping benadryl. If you hit the jackpot with anaphylaxis from shrimp you will likely die. Will it be next time, in 20 times, or never? Dunno, but it could be any of those. While not as bad as a peanut allergy, shrimp reactions can be pretty severe.
As for gluten while I'm not "allergic" I do subscribe to the school of thought that sees gluten as a kind of poison. Think about it this way- many plants developed poisons to keep predators away. Gluten happens to be wheat's version (and barley, rye, spelt, etc...). It's not a quick killing poison, but it certainly hurts. I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even" It's hard to be in a good mood if you feel bloated, in GI distress, and headachy. That's what gluten does to me in large amounts, and I really don't consider this an allergy, I think this is part of a normal human physiologic reaction to gluten.
Real food allergies shouldn't be trifled with. G-man, you're playing with fire just popping benadryl. If you hit the jackpot with anaphylaxis from shrimp you will likely die. Will it be next time, in 20 times, or never? Dunno, but it could be any of those. While not as bad as a peanut allergy, shrimp reactions can be pretty severe.
As for gluten while I'm not "allergic" I do subscribe to the school of thought that sees gluten as a kind of poison. Think about it this way- many plants developed poisons to keep predators away. Gluten happens to be wheat's version (and barley, rye, spelt, etc...). It's not a quick killing poison, but it certainly hurts. I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even" It's hard to be in a good mood if you feel bloated, in GI distress, and headachy. That's what gluten does to me in large amounts, and I really don't consider this an allergy, I think this is part of a normal human physiologic reaction to gluten.
quote:Originally posted by grossie:
As for gluten while I'm not "allergic" I do subscribe to the school of thought that sees gluten as a kind of poison. Think about it this way- many plants developed poisons to keep predators away. Gluten happens to be wheat's version (and barley, rye, spelt, etc...). It's not a quick killing poison, but it certainly hurts. I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even" It's hard to be in a good mood if you feel bloated, in GI distress, and headachy. That's what gluten does to me in large amounts, and I really don't consider this an allergy, I think this is part of a normal human physiologic reaction to gluten.
i seriusoly feel the same way when i abstain from mexican!
oh and i loooove shrimp =(
quote:Originally posted by grossie:
I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even"
Can I start after 4th of July? We're on a Fois Gras binge and just gotta have crackers at some point over the next 2 days.
quote:Originally posted by Stefania Wine:quote:Originally posted by grossie:
I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even"
Can I start after 4th of July? We're on a Fois Gras binge and just gotta have crackers at some point over the next 2 days.
does sauternes have any gluten?
No, and to much relief I found this on wiki:
'Although most forms of whiskey are distilled from a mash that includes grains that contain gluten, distillation removes any proteins present in the mash, including gluten."
So Bourbon is still in.
'Although most forms of whiskey are distilled from a mash that includes grains that contain gluten, distillation removes any proteins present in the mash, including gluten."
So Bourbon is still in.
phew!
Sauternes does not have gluten, nor does Foie Gras! If the crackers are made from some god-awful gluten-free concoction then they too will not have gluten!
I'm serious though, what can it hurt to try 14 days without gluten? I've done it for longer (did a 30 day and a 21 day) and I definitely notice the difference. I allow it back in to my diet in smaller quantities on a regular basis, and I'm trying to find the right balance for me. BTW scotch has very little, if any, gluten! Only the most gluten sensitive will detect gluten in scotch.
I'm serious though, what can it hurt to try 14 days without gluten? I've done it for longer (did a 30 day and a 21 day) and I definitely notice the difference. I allow it back in to my diet in smaller quantities on a regular basis, and I'm trying to find the right balance for me. BTW scotch has very little, if any, gluten! Only the most gluten sensitive will detect gluten in scotch.
Ha! Paul & I crossed over. Great minds...
I'll give it a go, my two slices of bread at lunch and occasional beer is the only thing I can see having to go. If after 14-21 days I don't look as sexy in my t-shirt as grossie though I'm having a beer.
hopefully, a dry tshirt
quote:Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
I'll give it a go, my two slices of bread at lunch and occasional beer is the only thing I can see having to go. If after 14-21 days I don't look as sexy in my t-shirt as grossie though I'm having a beer.
may as well just drink that beer now! it's hopeless. I'm too sexy for my shirt
Ok officially starting on the 5th. Need to come up with some other delivery method for my peanut butter and honey / ham for lunch.
Doing some research today on exactly what is in and what is out. Anyone else up for it?
Doing some research today on exactly what is in and what is out. Anyone else up for it?
guess a spoon might suffice.
quote:Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
Ok officially starting on the 5th. Need to come up with some other delivery method for my peanut butter and honey / ham for lunch.
Doing some research today on exactly what is in and what is out. Anyone else up for it?
Hmmm, tempting. Just looked at the calendar and I'll be at the inlaws next weekend. We will be going to a big Mexican Fiesta street party. Will it impact my ability to eat a dozen steak tacos and tamales?
Corn is fine from what I've been reading. Spent a lot of time on this last night and this morning.
My hypothesis starting out is that it will be hard for me to notice any change. My gluten consumption is small, 8-10 slices of bread per week, 1-2 beers, 1/2 cup of cereal and that's about it. I'm interested though because I know Grossie is in great shape with a great diet and he noticed a difference.
Reading on this I can see how a gluten free diet would have a drastic effect for many/most people, particularly those under 25 or who have no idea how to eat right.
In email to gman I called this the hitting yourself in the head with a hammer with a wooden handle syndrome.
If you are young, or a typical American, a huge amount of your calorie intake comes from, processed snack foods coated with gluten, fast food wrapped in gluten or deep fried in gluten, sugary treats bound with gluten and cheap beer. Remove those from your diet and duh no shitz you're gonna feel better.
This is the hitting yourself in the head with a hammer with a wooden handle. You stop hitting yourself in the head and go "wow, those wooden handles are really bad for you".
I haven't been hitting myself with a hammer, so I'm just removing the wooden handle. I'll start on the 5th and go 21 days. Wish me Bon Chance.
My hypothesis starting out is that it will be hard for me to notice any change. My gluten consumption is small, 8-10 slices of bread per week, 1-2 beers, 1/2 cup of cereal and that's about it. I'm interested though because I know Grossie is in great shape with a great diet and he noticed a difference.
Reading on this I can see how a gluten free diet would have a drastic effect for many/most people, particularly those under 25 or who have no idea how to eat right.
In email to gman I called this the hitting yourself in the head with a hammer with a wooden handle syndrome.
If you are young, or a typical American, a huge amount of your calorie intake comes from, processed snack foods coated with gluten, fast food wrapped in gluten or deep fried in gluten, sugary treats bound with gluten and cheap beer. Remove those from your diet and duh no shitz you're gonna feel better.
This is the hitting yourself in the head with a hammer with a wooden handle. You stop hitting yourself in the head and go "wow, those wooden handles are really bad for you".
I haven't been hitting myself with a hammer, so I'm just removing the wooden handle. I'll start on the 5th and go 21 days. Wish me Bon Chance.
bon chance.
So, so glad I do not share this gluten allergy.
There is actually a dedicated, gluten-free store near me. I must admit, it has stayed in business much longer than I predicted.
We have one friend allergic to walnuts, another to bleu cheese. Easy enough to work around when entertaining, but quinoa and lentils? That wouldn't fly at my house, nor my friends'.
There is actually a dedicated, gluten-free store near me. I must admit, it has stayed in business much longer than I predicted.
We have one friend allergic to walnuts, another to bleu cheese. Easy enough to work around when entertaining, but quinoa and lentils? That wouldn't fly at my house, nor my friends'.
Paul- Good luck to you, I hope you enjoy it. At the best you spend 21 days without gluten and discover something interesting about yourself, and at the worst you spend 21 days and don't discover anything. Pretty low risk!
FWIW My grandaughter has been inthe hospital with ciliac disease. Real bad case.
On the other hand if ypu say you need a special diet, bring your own food, or eat first. I am not in the mood to cook special meals for each guest. Sorry
On the other hand if ypu say you need a special diet, bring your own food, or eat first. I am not in the mood to cook special meals for each guest. Sorry
I guess I am in the minority here... I always try to meet my guests' dietary needs... I figure if you are a good enough friend that you are coming over for dinner, I can at least make something you can eat.
That being said, if you don't let me know in advance, you may be SOL.
***oops, this is obviously FKG posting from JC's computer. he is typically in charge of the wine, and I am typically in charge of the food!***
That being said, if you don't let me know in advance, you may be SOL.
***oops, this is obviously FKG posting from JC's computer. he is typically in charge of the wine, and I am typically in charge of the food!***
quote:Originally posted by grossie:
As for gluten while I'm not "allergic" I do subscribe to the school of thought that sees gluten as a kind of poison. Think about it this way- many plants developed poisons to keep predators away. Gluten happens to be wheat's version (and barley, rye, spelt, etc...). It's not a quick killing poison, but it certainly hurts. I challenge anyone here to go completely gluten free for 14 days and tell me how you feel after. I'd wager that about 75% of you would say "gosh, my stomach is better, I have no gas, and my mood is more even" It's hard to be in a good mood if you feel bloated, in GI distress, and headachy. That's what gluten does to me in large amounts, and I really don't consider this an allergy, I think this is part of a normal human physiologic reaction to gluten.
Grossie,
I think I remember you saying you were a surgeon before. How many of your colleaugues share your view on this? Reason I ask is because the limited amount of people in the field I encounter tend to say a gluten sensitivity does not exist outside of the people who have ciliacs disease, it is a bunch of b.s., marketing etc. etc.
i would also imagine that the simple fact you take away a large source of carbs for most people basically means you've immediately lowered your daily calorie intake which has been shown to be beneficial to the human body.
quote:Originally posted by g-man:
i would also imagine that the simple fact you take away a large source of carbs for most people basically means you've immediately lowered your daily calorie intake which has been shown to be beneficial to the human body.
It is beneficial to the human body for people who over-eat but other than that most people need 2000-2500 a day. It wouldn't do them any benefit.
quote:Originally posted by g-man:
i would also imagine that the simple fact you take away a large source of carbs for most people basically means you've immediately lowered your daily calorie intake which has been shown to be beneficial to the human body.
This was what I said earlier. Most gluten is in carbs that people should not be eating anyway; breading on deep fried food, buns on fast food burgers, packaged 'snack' food. It's part of why my hypothesis is I won't see a big difference if any. I've cut way, way back on carbs already starting in January.
I started a day early on the 4th so my new finish date is the 25th.
a very interesting study though showed that the development of civilization came about because of agriculture and processed foods.
the simple fact that we could make bread meant that we had a food source that was cheap/readily available/ and good amount of calories.
Instead of wasting time wandering all over the place, they could farm the grains, store the wheat to be processed into bread at any time.
the simple fact that we could make bread meant that we had a food source that was cheap/readily available/ and good amount of calories.
Instead of wasting time wandering all over the place, they could farm the grains, store the wheat to be processed into bread at any time.
F that. I'd be more miserable giving up bread than I'd feel better by giving it up.
My house isn't burger king. The only time I've ever changed what I'm serving is for women.......... Not any more. I stopped dating anyone that is vegan, vegetarian or has whatever food on their banned list because it just ain't worth the trouble.
The rest of you can eat what I serve or go hungry. If you want to bring your own damn food the kitchen and the bbq are available. Cook for yourself....
My house isn't burger king. The only time I've ever changed what I'm serving is for women.......... Not any more. I stopped dating anyone that is vegan, vegetarian or has whatever food on their banned list because it just ain't worth the trouble.
The rest of you can eat what I serve or go hungry. If you want to bring your own damn food the kitchen and the bbq are available. Cook for yourself....
Well, there is also theory that the eating of meat is what developed the human brain, and all of the pre-human hominids that ate vegetarian diets died out.quote:Originally posted by g-man:
a very interesting study though showed that the development of civilization came about because of agriculture and processed foods.
the simple fact that we could make bread meant that we had a food source that was cheap/readily available/ and good amount of calories.
Instead of wasting time wandering all over the place, they could farm the grains, store the wheat to be processed into bread at any time.
It didn't take intelligence to sneak up on a carrot.
one of my wife's dear friends is a vegetarian. It is not hard to make an extra side or two so that she can have a plate of food. Sometime we throw a boca burger on the grill for her. I do not mind doing this for her because she would never mention it if we forgot (happened once - felt horrible - had to change things up at the last second but we made it work).
What I do not like is the in your face vegans. I have received lectures before from vegans and it gets old. I don't seek out vegans or vegetarians to push my carnivorous habits on them, nor do I argue with them about their choices.... I guess the long and short is that I do not like zealots in any form (except wine zealots - that is completely different).
G
What I do not like is the in your face vegans. I have received lectures before from vegans and it gets old. I don't seek out vegans or vegetarians to push my carnivorous habits on them, nor do I argue with them about their choices.... I guess the long and short is that I do not like zealots in any form (except wine zealots - that is completely different).
G
quote:Originally posted by thirsty man:
What I do not like is the in your face vegans. I have received lectures before from vegans and it gets old. I don't seek out vegans or vegetarians to push my carnivorous habits on them, nor do I argue with them about their choices.... I guess the long and short is that I do not like zealots in any form (except wine zealots - that is completely different).
G
Absolutely in agreement. I don't go around preaching the virtues of steak to vegetarians, so keep your mouth shut with regards to what I decide to put in my body.
quote:Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
F that. I'd be more miserable giving up bread than I'd feel better by giving it up.
My house isn't burger king. The only time I've ever changed what I'm serving is for women.......... Not any more. I stopped dating anyone that is vegan, vegetarian or has whatever food on their banned list because it just ain't worth the trouble.
The rest of you can eat what I serve or go hungry. If you want to bring your own damn food the kitchen and the bbq are available. Cook for yourself....
What if the deal was, if you prep a vegan dish for me and i bring the 67 d'yquem?
(do they make vegan foie gras btw?)