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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
The only Koons work I really enjoy is his BMW art car. Of course there are better Art Cars (the first four Calder, Stella, Lichenstein and Warhol) but...

While I would never ache for any of either of their works, Hirst does speak to me more.

Rob, have you ever visited the BMW Art Car exhibit? It is wonderful.

I'm in complete agreement with the Koons v Hirst debate. I can/will live very well without either, but if pushed, Hirst.

My wife and I stayed at the Ritz in Dublin ( Powerscourt) and they own several Hirst works, including his Spin series which I liked. Did not love, but liked.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
The only Koons work I really enjoy is his BMW art car. Of course there are better Art Cars (the first four Calder, Stella, Lichenstein and Warhol) but...

While I would never ache for any of either of their works, Hirst does speak to me more.

Rob, have you ever visited the BMW Art Car exhibit? It is wonderful.

I'm in complete agreement with the Koons v Hirst debate. I can/will live very well without either, but if pushed, Hirst.

My wife and I stayed at the Ritz in Dublin ( Powerscourt) and they own several Hirst works, including his Spin series which I liked. Did not love, but liked.

Well the Broad will be Koon/Hirst Central.

My kids dig Koons...Popeye, hulk, giant inflatable lobster raft. Especially his giant pink poodle. What is the femail equivalent of phallic , anyways?

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
The only Koons work I really enjoy is his BMW art car. Of course there are better Art Cars (the first four Calder, Stella, Lichenstein and Warhol) but...

While I would never ache for any of either of their works, Hirst does speak to me more.

Rob, have you ever visited the BMW Art Car exhibit? It is wonderful.

I'm in complete agreement with the Koons v Hirst debate. I can/will live very well without either, but if pushed, Hirst.

My wife and I stayed at the Ritz in Dublin ( Powerscourt) and they own several Hirst works, including his Spin series which I liked. Did not love, but liked.

Well the Broad will be Koon/Hirst Central.

I'm curious to see the architecture of the California and Michigan new museums.

I'm in California most years, but just never have any reason to head to Michigan. I was in Michigan for business several times a year in the 80's - late '90's, but all the companies left the state.

Eli Broad, "Contemporary art is the art of our time."

Isn't this from the Department of Redundancy Department?

Also dubbed Los Angeles the contemporary art capital of the world.

OK, well he's right about that.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Eli Broad, "Contemporary art is the art of our time."

Isn't this from the Department of Redundancy Department?

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Old Man, my guess as Broad rarely if ever misspeaks about art.

I also would say contemporary art is the art of today. I don't think that has been the case until the last 10-15 years, maybe 20 at the most. (?) While there has/will be always been contemporary art, I would suggest it has only recently become the darling of the art collecting community recently in general. ( look at Art News top collectors edition) I think there are reasons for this.

When D and I started collecting art seriously about 25-30 years ago we focused on Modern art, ( 1906-1956) AE, NY School, expressionist and some Pop. As baby boomers started aging and acquiring more art, the world became flat (BRIC) and the internet changed art collecting like nothing before the market for many genres just dried up and what was available became too expensive for the vast majority. Steve Martin's book An Object of Beauty makes this case in spades. As you know, Martin is a very serious collector and even at his level it has changed what he collects. When Marc Chagall died in 1985 one could still buy a nice while not museum quality work of his for under $7500 as we did. This for many reasons is just not the case anymore.

Our very modest collection of 150+ works is now over 70% contemporary I would guess, maybe more. I will share a story from Martin's book and as you may know, Martin refers to actual art collectors in his book. While an art enthusiast is viewing a massive collection of modern and contemporary art in a mansion on Long Island he is asked why this genre is his favorite? The man replies his favorite is not modern or contemporary but High Renaissance. When asked then why do you collect modern and contemporary he replies because he can fill his home with art that he enjoys buying the finest modern and contemporary art, but if he collected art from the High Renaissance he would only have one or two works of art to enjoy. While everyone has different amounts they spend on art, I think this is the case for all of us that art is their passion.

Thus, I also think contemporary art is the art of today, and now even museums are focusing on it thanks to people like Broad and others.

I read about an emerging artist in the New York Times a couple of years ago, and we went to see his work at the Bernstein Gallery in NYC. His name is Peter Demos.

I have been tracking his career ever since and decided to pull the trigger this past weekend and bought two of his works.

As always, now the problem... What must go into storage to create new space.

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Originally posted by wine+art:
I read about an emerging artist in the New York Times a couple of years ago, and we went to see his work at the Bernstein Gallery in NYC. His name is Peter Demos.

I have been tracking his career ever since and decided to pull the trigger this past weekend and bought two of his works.

As always, now the problem... What must go into storage to create new space.

interesting, his work has me feeling very reminiscient of

https://www.kleientertainment..../gallery/concept-art

very cool stuff

Spending some extended time in LA (Irvine mostly) and should actually have some time to check out the art scene (Galleries and Museums). Suggestions?

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Originally posted by KSC02:
Spending some extended time in LA (Irving mostly) and should actually have some time to check out the art scene (Galleries and Museums). Suggestions?

K, The Old Man knows art well. I will contect you two.

Anyone going to this upcoming exhibit at the Cleveland Museum of Art? Should be a good one. We will be in Cleveland for a day and thinking of attending.

Painting the Modern Garden: Monet to Matisse



Sun, 10/11/2015 to Tue, 01/05/2016

The Kelvin and Eleanor Smith Foundation Hall and Gallery



The Cleveland Museum of Art and the Royal Academy of Arts in London are organizing an innovative exhibition that examines the role of gardens in the paintings of Claude Monet and his contemporaries. Arguably the most important painter of gardens in the history of art, Monet was also an avid horticulturist who cultivated gardens wherever he lived. As early as the 1860s, a symbiotic relationship developed between his activities as a horticulturist and his paintings of gardens, a relationship that can be traced from his early years in Sainte-Adresse to his final months at Giverny. “I perhaps owe it to flowers,” he wrote, “that I became a painter.”

While Monet remains the touchstone, the exhibition also looks broadly and deeply at the garden theme in modern art through the inclusion of paintings by other Impressionists, Post-Impressionists, and avant-garde artists of the early 20th century. The exhibition will lead visitors through the evolution of the garden theme, from Impressionist visions of light and atmosphere to retreats for reverie and dreams, sites for bold experimentation, sanctuaries of refuge and healing, and, ultimately, signifiers of a world restored to order—a paradise regained. Framing these paintings in the context of broad artistic movements, as well as social and political events, will offer unprecedented paths for understanding the garden as a multifaceted, universal theme in modern art.

Painting the Modern Garden: Monet to Matisse is organized by the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Royal Academy of Arts in London.

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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
Anyone going to this upcoming exhibit at the Cleveland Museum of Art? Should be a good one. We will be in Cleveland for a day and thinking of attending.

Painting the Modern Garden: Monet to Matisse

Thanks for the post, IW.

One good artist, one great and seminal artist.

W+A
Which of the 2 artists do you consider the great one?

IW

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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
W+A
Which of the 2 artists do you consider the great one?

IW

Knowing w+a, it's not Monet

Well I'll be camped out at the Art Gallery of Ontario for the month of November as the JMW Turner exhibition opens at the end of the month.

Over 50 paintings on loan from the Tate.

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
Well I'll be camped out at the Art Gallery of Ontario for the month of November as the JMW Turner exhibition opens at the end of the month.

Over 50 paintings on loan from the Tate.

See you there.
I thought it was strange that they'd have another Turner exhibition so soon after the last one. Then I looked it up: the last one was in 2004. Time flies.

Turner was overlooked and somewhat controversial during his life. He was a wealthy man from birth and perhaps never played the game well. I know he took a lot of flak for his watercolor paintings which I thought was silly.

He was a great printmaker for sure. The DMA had well over 100 of his works for a major exhibition a few years ago. It was a very special exhibition and I think he is still a little overlooked in many ways.

Gents, enjoy this true artist!

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Originally posted by KSC02:

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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
W+A
Which of the 2 artists do you consider the great one?

IW

Knowing w+a, it's not Monet

Indeed, plus Henri is the second greatest artist in the last 200+ years.

A true genius.

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Originally posted by wine+art:
Indeed, plus Henri is the second greatest artist in the last 200+ years.

A true genius.

Never suspected that you'd place Koons so high.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

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Originally posted by wine+art:
Indeed, plus Henri is the second greatest artist in the last 200+ years.

A true genius.

Never suspected that you'd place Koons so high.

Okay, I think I have caught my breath again...

Bro, check your gmail account for the newest addition to the cottage/chalet art collection.

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Originally posted by DoktaP:
Bro, check your gmail account for the newest addition to the cottage/chalet art collection.

Dok, I did not receive it, please send again.

We have added eleven new pieces this year. Your cottage and our casa just gives us more space for art!

I'm rotating a few pieces today from storage. They always seem new again when they have been stored for a couple of years.

Resent. Please confirm receipt.

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Originally posted by DoktaP:
Resent. Please confirm receipt.

Got it... Will email you back.

Spent much of the weekend exploring the career of Pedro Guerrero. A very impressive career and a talented man.

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Pedro Guerrero

The Frank Lloyd Wright photographer, especially of Talisen West?

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Originally posted by The Old Man:

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Pedro Guerrero

The Frank Lloyd Wright photographer, especially of Talisen West?

People certainly think of Pedro and Wright. I enjoyed his work more overall I think when focused on Nevelson and Calder.

I also loved his interior photos of mid-century modern. All the light looked so natural and only sun driven in lieu of artificial.

Olga Hirshhorn, RIP
Amazing collection of art in DC. Pulled De Kooning out of poverty and probably saved his life.

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Originally posted by fcs:
Olga Hirshhorn, RIP
Amazing collection of art in DC. Pulled De Kooning out of poverty and probably saved his life.

If you travel to Naples Florida, visit the Baker Museum. She donated many wonderful pieces to that museum as well.

Besides collecting the finest post-war art, she was also an aggressive collector of flea market finds. To me, this is a true sign of a true art enthusiast. She was not only a trophy collector.

Her late husband taught her well and she developed a keen eye over the decades.

fcs, good to see you posting and hope you are well.

Spent some time at the Chicago Art Institute. Nice collection for sure. Had wanted to see "White Crucifixion" of Chagall, but it was on loan to some place in Florence. Bummer.

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Originally posted by irwin:
Spent some time at the Chicago Art Institute. Nice collection for sure. Had wanted to see "White Crucifixion" of Chagall, but it was on loan to some place in Florence. Bummer.

Irwin, I hope you enjoyed Chicago on your visit.

I also hope you visited the new wing of the museum. I'm a fan of Renzo Piano's architecture.

I'm also sorry you missed the Chagall piece. It is very special indeed, as is much of his work. I'm also surprised yet glad to hear Italy is showing anything Modern, post-war much less expressionist and surreal. Italy is in such a sad state for art currently with galleries and museums closing every year.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by irwin:
Spent some time at the Chicago Art Institute. Nice collection for sure. Had wanted to see "White Crucifixion" of Chagall, but it was on loan to some place in Florence. Bummer.

Irwin, I hope you enjoyed Chicago on your visit.

I also hope you visited the new wing of the museum. I'm a fan of Renzo Piano's architecture.

I'm also sorry you missed the Chagall piece. It is very special indeed, as is much of his work. I'm also surprised yet glad to hear Italy is showing anything Modern, post-war much less expressionist and surreal. Italy is in such a sad state for art currently with galleries and museums closing every year.

Chicago is a nice town. Mostly, I was stuck in a meeting of lawyers. Ate mediocre food at the Fairmont Millenium hotel, plus a dinner at the Field Museum. The hotel wasn't all that fantastic either. I mean, I got down on the floor of my room to do some stretching exercises and there was an old sock crumpled up under the bed. I mean, really? At that price, they could afford a maid.

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Originally posted by irwin:
Chicago is a nice town. Mostly, I was stuck in a meeting of lawyers. Ate mediocre food at the Fairmont Millenium hotel, plus a dinner at the Field Museum. The hotel wasn't all that fantastic either. I mean, I got down on the floor of my room to do some stretching exercises and there was an old sock crumpled up under the bed. I mean, really? At that price, they could afford a maid.

Was it a black Gold Toe? It was mine.

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Originally posted by wine+art:

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Originally posted by fcs:
Olga Hirshhorn, RIP
Amazing collection of art in DC. Pulled De Kooning out of poverty and probably saved his life.

If you travel to Naples Florida, visit the Baker Museum. She donated many wonderful pieces to that museum as well.

Besides collecting the finest post-war art, she was also an aggressive collector of flea market finds. To me, this is a true sign of a true art enthusiast. She was not only a trophy collector.

Her late husband taught her well and she developed a keen eye over the decades.

fcs, good to see you posting and hope you are well.

Thanks W + A, Baker Museum added to the list. Also need to get to Houston and Indiana Museums of Art. Finding lots of great US collections right around the corner from everywhere.

Of note for our Canadian friends:

Steve Martin wants L.A. to know, and love, Canadian painter Lawren Harris

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Originally posted by fcs:


Thanks W + A, Baker Museum added to the list. Also need to get to Houston and Indiana Museums of Art. Finding lots of great US collections right around the corner from everywhere.

fcs, there is an excellent Rothko retrospective show until the end of January currently in Houston. If you do visit Houston, make sure you visit the Rothko Chapel.

The Hotel ZaZa is very near the Rothko Chapel and is in the finest part of Houston for fine dining.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Of note for our Canadian friends:

Steve Martin wants L.A. to know, and love, Canadian painter Lawren Harris

Lawren Harris is exactly the type of "Canadian" art I dislike. I"m not a big fan of any of the Group of Seven but Harris' northern art makes me shudder.

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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Steve Martin wants L.A. to know, and love, Canadian painter Lawren HarriS

Lawren Harris is exactly the type of "Canadian" art I dislike. I"m not a big fan of any of the Group of Seven but Harris' northern art makes me shudder.

I respect that, Rob.
That said I'm not shy to say that Lawren Harris is my favorite of the Group of Seven by a very wide margin. Love his work!

I triggered a Canadian showdown!

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Of note for our Canadian friends:

Steve Martin wants L.A. to know, and love, Canadian painter Lawren Harris

Thanks for the link TOM. I will be sure to visit this. I've seen a number of his pieces but there are several works in this exhibition that I've not enjoyed up close and personal. I never tire of seeing his work in person.

By the way, thank you also the info you emailed me on a variety of must-see art around LA. I was sincerely appreciated.