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W wine+artMember
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Patrick Cariou, stop now, Richard Price will win again and the SCOUS will not hear the case.

This lead me to read this case, Koons Vs. Rogers where Koons tried to claim it was fair use under the parody exemption. I don't think it's parody, but it sure is a horrifying (in a good way) sculpture.


It is a digital / cyberspace world and no one is selling under false pretense. The music world had to come to terms with all this years ago. So will the art world.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
A summary of a WSJ article from the LA Times:
Amazon To Sell Fine Art

W+A, would this affect your desire to acquire a gallery?


OM, thanks for the link.

Does not affect my thinking. Internet is a major buying power now, ( have used MANY times) both as an auction tool and for galleries.

The art market has their sales venues based on type, style and price range.

I will email you my business model.
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
A summary of a WSJ article from the LA Times:
Amazon To Sell Fine Art

W+A, would this affect your desire to acquire a gallery?


OM, thanks for the link.

Does not affect my thinking. Internet is a major buying power now, ( have used MANY times) both as an auction tool and for galleries.

The art market has their sales venues based on type, style and price range.

I will email you my business model.

Kool.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
A summary of a WSJ article from the LA Times:
Amazon To Sell Fine Art

W+A, would this affect your desire to acquire a gallery?


OM, thanks for the link.

Does not affect my thinking. Internet is a major buying power now, ( have used MANY times) both as an auction tool and for galleries.

The art market has their sales venues based on type, style and price range.

I will email you my business model.

Kool.


OM, email me at wineplusart@hotmail.com... please.
vintvintMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
VinT,

Did you ever receive your latest commission?

Bang


Vin, I feel your pain. Frown

I had a chat with an artist yesterday about the very same thing.


How are you doing with the Puig acquisition? I very much enjoy his work, which I was not familiar with before your mention of him here.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
VinT,

Did you ever receive your latest commission?

Bang


Vin, I feel your pain. Frown

I had a chat with an artist yesterday about the very same thing.


How are you doing with the Puig acquisition? I very much enjoy his work, which I was not familiar with before your mention of him here.


Well, Mad... we are still a skosh over $5k apart on pricing and we have not contacted each other in 2-3 weeks now.

I'm still confident, but the art market is heating up again.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
A summary of a WSJ article from the LA Times:
Amazon To Sell Fine Art

W+A, would this affect your desire to acquire a gallery?


OM, thanks for the link.

Does not affect my thinking. Internet is a major buying power now, ( have used MANY times) both as an auction tool and for galleries.

The art market has their sales venues based on type, style and price range.

I will email you my business model.

Kool.


OM, email me at ... please.


Old Man, I only check this account for this forum.

Are you D.W.? If so, I will email you from my gmail account.
S seaquamMember
I've spent a fair amount of time in Paris over the last 30 years. Both my wife and I really enjoy going to museums, so naturally we've been to the Louvre, the d'Orsay, and the Pompidou numerous times. We've also spent time seeking out lesser-known, smaller options such as the Picasso, l'Orangerie, Montmartre, Rodin, Decoratif, even the Freemasons, and countless galleries that we've wandered into and out of on lazy afternoons.

Imagine our surprise when, on our daily power walk along the Seine, we passed a sign advertising a Keith Haring exhibit at the Musée d'Art Moderne in Paris, and we had never heard of this place. Could they have meant the Pompidou? Curious about where this museum was, we checked its location on a portable GPS, and we were standing right in front of it! The place looks like a huge courthouse with classical pillars, not a museum of modern art.

We just came back from a wonderful half day there. The impressive and thorough Keith Haring exhibit is fantastic, with what must certainly be his finest-- and largest-- pieces, arranged chronologically and displayed beautifully in an amazing space. And their permanent collection is not too shabby, either, loaded with sculpture, painting, drawing, and some installation pieces by all the usual suspects but with a definite and not surprising emphasis on modern and contemporary French artists like Delaunay, Fautrier, many more, and Raoul Dufy with whom I was not previously familiar but must become so. There is one huge oval room with its expansive walls covered floor-to-ceiling by one piece (done in panels) called Electricity that you have to see to believe. Stunning, in both beauty and scope! There's a lot more than I have the time to describe here, including some fabulous Matisse pieces, but friends, if you find yourself in Paris and would like to spend a few hours away from the Big 3 museums looking at some incredible art, do yourself a favour and find this place on Avenue de President Wilson.

I can't recommend this exceptional venue highly enough. And as a bonus: admission to the permanent collection is free! My wife and I were both amazed by how few people were there on a Saturday, and just don't understand how that can be, with well over a million tourists in Paris for this holiday weekend, not to mention the locals.
W wine+artMember
Seaquam, I could have sworn I posted for your attention not to miss Musee d'Art Monderne on your current visit in one of the active threads related to you and S's Paris holiday. I must be slipping.

I'm excited you found this jewel, and even more to hear how much you enjoyed their works and the Haring exhibit.

My first visit was right after college, and I still recall seeing a Modigliani and Leger in person for the first time. If I recall correctly, the museum was only about 20 years old on my first visit.

Paris has embraced both modern and contemporary art far more than Italy, one of our other favorite places to visit often. The modern in Florence closed last summer shortly after our visit.

D and I adore Paris, and your post have absolutely made my/our week. Summering over in Santa Fe is wonderful, but Paris it is not. Wink
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:

Seaquam, I could have sworn I posted for your attention not to miss Musee d'Art Monderne on your current visit in one of the active threads related to you and S's Paris holiday. I must be slipping.

I'm excited you found this jewel, and even more to hear how much you enjoyed their works and the Haring exhibit.

My first visit was right after college, and I still recall seeing a Modigliani and Leger in person for the first time. If I recall correctly, the museum was only about 20 years old on my first visit.



I could not do it justice in just a few sentences; the building itself is lovely, its interior being quite different from what its rear facade would suggest. And the Haring exhibit alone had to be over 200 pieces, spread through numerous rooms, some huge. I didn't know that he had also done some interesting sculpture.

The Raoul Dufy piece, La Fée Electricité ( The Electricity Fairy) is the biggest piece I have ever seen other than murals on the outsides of large buildings; it was profound, awe-inspiring, very exciting.

We also spent about 20 minutes watching only a portion-- I'm not sure this actually ever comes to an end-- of a fascinating, bizarre film about a chap who's looking for an existing dinosaur in central Africa, The Mokele-Mbembe Hypothesis. Anyone who's interested can learn a bit about it right HERE.

I could have spent a couple of days here, and will certainly be back. We had originally also intended today to visit the Marc Chagall exhibit currently at the Luxembourg Gardens, but skipped that entirely in favour of remaining at the Moderne. It was a Wow! experience for me; I'm not certain how many times I used the word "fantastic" earlier today, but it was definitely an excessive number.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
VinT,

Did you ever receive your latest commission?

Bang


Vin, I feel your pain. Frown

I had a chat with an artist yesterday about the very same thing.


How are you doing with the Puig acquisition? I very much enjoy his work, which I was not familiar with before your mention of him here.


Well, Mad... we are still a skosh over $5k apart on pricing and we have not contacted each other in 2-3 weeks now.

I'm still confident, but the art market is heating up again.


VinT,

We appear to have some movement on a Mimmo Paladino work, which could help on my pursuit of a couple of Puig pieces.

Let the gamesmanship continue. Wink
vintvintMember
Spent this afternoon at the wonderful McMichael Gallery in Kleinburg, Ontario. In addition to their extensive Group of Seven collection, they also currently have exhibitions featuring works by Ansel Adams and Edward Burtynsky.

If you haven't been to this gallery, or it has been a while, I highly recommend a visit. The grounds have been re-landscaped and now include a sculpture park featuring nine imposing bronzes by Ivan Eyre. The gallery building itself is magnificent - part log, part stone architecture that stays true to the style of the original McMichael family home. And the paintings within capture the spirit and rugged beauty of the Canadian wilderness as only original Group of Seven works can.
C champagneinhand1Member
Hello everybody. I'm new to this thread. I just donated a C-top stationmaster's desk to the Union Pacific Transcontinental Museum in Ogden, Utah last year. It was my fathers and his grandfathers before it was his. The museum was thrilled to get it and they had it crated and shipped from Western NY. I just didn't know what to do with it. I was a museum brat, and dragged to many museums during my childhood through High School, but the later were voluntary.

I thank my mother, a big art fan, for taking me to see the King Tut exhibit in Los Angeles, same with the Aztec and May exhibits there. I spent many a day at the Getty, Norton-simon or Huntington museums and have great memories. We moved to the NYC metro area and I spent a couple of weeks over time in the Met, and occasionally went to the Guggenheim and the Whitney. We finally went back to California, but the Bay Area. My mom got her art History degree and was a docent at the Museum near Golden Gate park. I can't think of the name off the top of my head, but my art history teacher, who also taught at UC Santa Cruz, got us in an hour before the general public was allowed into the Impressionist show, which was really special. I went again the next day with my mother and it was standing room only.

Art is still a passion, as I have many museum quality reproductions in my great room, most are impressionist. I also love art of the renaissance, gothic, mezzo-american and so many others. I do love some modern and old colonial. Its good to see that art and wine has a home here. I usually am on CT forum and we have a few museum art directors on there.
Cheers, -Dave
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
As some of you may have heard Jeffrey Deitch is out as director of MOCA. He was formerly a major art dealer in New York and an early proponent of graffiti as art. He has had a very bad time during his three years here. There has been much internal strife and much criticism of some of the shows. He will be returning to NY to open a gallery.

I am hoping that we will see the return of MOCA as one of the top tier art museums in the US.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by champagneinhand1:
Hello everybody. I'm new to this thread. I just donated a C-top stationmaster's desk to the Union Pacific Transcontinental Museum in Ogden, Utah last year. It was my fathers and his grandfathers before it was his. The museum was thrilled to get it and they had it crated and shipped from Western NY. I just didn't know what to do with it. I was a museum brat, and dragged to many museums during my childhood through High School, but the later were voluntary.

I thank my mother, a big art fan, for taking me to see the King Tut exhibit in Los Angeles, same with the Aztec and May exhibits there. I spent many a day at the Getty, Norton-simon or Huntington museums and have great memories. We moved to the NYC metro area and I spent a couple of weeks over time in the Met, and occasionally went to the Guggenheim and the Whitney. We finally went back to California, but the Bay Area. My mom got her art History degree and was a docent at the Museum near Golden Gate park. I can't think of the name off the top of my head, but my art history teacher, who also taught at UC Santa Cruz, got us in an hour before the general public was allowed into the Impressionist show, which was really special. I went again the next day with my mother and it was standing room only.

Art is still a passion, as I have many museum quality reproductions in my great room, most are impressionist. I also love art of the renaissance, gothic, mezzo-american and so many others. I do love some modern and old colonial. Its good to see that art and wine has a home here. I usually am on CT forum and we have a few museum art directors on there.
Cheers, -Dave


Dave, welcome to the forums, and thanks for posting within this thread.

While I'm thinking our views on art are vastly different, I'm glad you posted and please do not be a stranger.

w+a
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
As some of you may have heard Jeffrey Deitch is out as director of MOCA. He was formerly a major art dealer in New York and an early proponent of graffiti as art. He has had a very bad time during his three years here. There has been much internal strife and much criticism of some of the shows. He will be returning to NY to open a gallery.

I am hoping that we will see the return of MOCA as one of the top tier art museums in the US.


Ah, curious timing, Old Man.

I met a gallery owner ( one of our very favorites) here in Santa Fe for espresso this week, and this very subject was one of our many topics.

My thoughts...

First, the trustees need to look towards the Board in my opinion. Now that said, I think the Board was thinking out of the box with their hiring of Deitch. I serve on four Boards and do have empathy with their thinking and problems. The hire just did not work.

Deitch took over a nearly broke museum in poor shape and did not have the skill set required for the massive undertaking. Jeffery is a true rock star in the gallery art world and also has a MBA from Harvard, so I'm guessing there was thinking this might be the fix. I see two glaring problems. First, his job requires great admin skills to manage a large staff, unlimited volunteers, ( never easy) fundraising, education and unlimited full-time political ass kissing with both the Board and trustees like Eli Broad and Soros. None of those skill sets were heavily required in his past business successes. Secondly, there is an abyss between the art gallery world and the museum art world. The museum art world is too often the safe and tidy place for masses to view what others have deemed important and even pre-approved art, if you will. The serious gallery world is far FAR more avant garde, forward thinking and confident in their opinions about art, and even help define what will be displayed in museums decades from now.

Think about the great 291 gallery in NYC in 1905 - forward. Their truly avant garde art was nowhere to be found in the museum world in the early 20th century, but now every modern museum in the world has the artist they displayed and first introduced to the masses. The gallery world is where Deitch has proven himself, not the foolproof museum world. You mention street art. Street art is real, serious and will stand the test of time, yet museums will only start to expose it as serious art as their masses start to think it is safe and even pre-approved by their neighbors.

The next hire for MOCA is critical as they have a near decade of decline now. With the woes of the European art museums, perhaps a hire from the other side of the pond may be in order, but the board must give Deitch's replacement far more money. Deitch barely had enough to buy anyone lunch.

I wish them well.
jabe11jabe11Member
File under 'architectural': we spent the better part of this afternoon at this gem. As known prior, the house itself was closed on Fridays and thus we could not see the interior/collection, but the building and grounds are spectacular, complete with docile deer begging for potato chips, and a decent lunch at the garden/koi pond.

Stamford proper is also two thumbs up.
W wine+artMember
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Spent the day enjoying many works by Agnes Martin. Cool

They have a few very nice works, often on display, at our own San Diego Museum of Contemporary Art.


I'm heading to San Diego next month. Is the museum worthy of a visit?

As you know, she spent much of her life in Taos, and there are many wonderful pieces in Taos / Santa Fe.
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I'm heading to San Diego next month. Is the museum worthy of a visit?


The MCASD is really a mixed bag. First it's in three building--one in La Jolla and two across the street from each other downtown. The La Jolla is originally a house designed by the great Irving Gill. The original building is pretty much destroyed and the last remodeling by Robert Stern.

The downtown location, during your visit has a major show of San Diego and Tijuana artists. I think you'd like about 20% of the works.

There is also a nice Lisa Lou bead piece, have you ever seen her fun, but silly, beaded kitchen?

The La Jolla location will be installing some uninspiring work between Sept. 1 to 23.

There are of course a couple of interesting galleries in La Jolla.

I pretty much never visit the San Diego Museum of Art in Balboa Park.

Our most interesting place is up in my neck of the woods, The Lux Institute. It has a gallery space and a house. The gallery shows work by one artist and during the first month, they also live on site, will work on a piece. You can interact with the artist. Their work remains in place for another month after they leave.

Two of our favorites were Alison Saar, Betty’s daughter and an American who lives in Italy, Alan Feltus. During September is will be Matthew Cusick who appears to have had a showing in Dallas last year at the Reading Room.

Lastly I would be glad to take you, and anyone else, to see Salvation Mountain, but it’s a really haul taking a little more than 2 hours one way.
P parcivalMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I was not in the mood to sleep last night and spent a few hours focused on Keith Haring.

What are fellow art enthusiast opinions on Haring?


I enjoy the "playful" visual quality of Haring's work, and his use of vibrant primary colors. That's purely from an aesthetic perspective.

But, I very much respect the socio-political mission behind his work. He did a great deal for HIV/AIDS awareness and support programs which has benefited tens of thousands of individuals and continues to do so.

I once went to the Museum of Modern art in San Francisco with an old girlfriend. The beautiful Haring statue is in the front and a few select pieces inside expressing some typical Haring birth and death imagery. The only thing the woman I was dating could say was that the "pictures" were silly and childish . . . and that signaled the end of that
P parcivalMember
And I would add that it is amazing how accessible his art is almost in a way that belies the underlying message. I know many people who enjoy his work yet know little of his cause or politics. So, I think he accomplished something rare -- he produced works that are visually interesting to many people and have a terrific communicative value for those interested in delving into his art more thoroughly
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
I'm going to have to throw it in here, I was never a big fan. Reviewing before I wrote this I read that he was originally a cartoonist and perhaps that's the problem. I grew up in the time of the great "underground" comix such as those of R. Crumb, Jay Lynch and Vaughn Bode. While most of the times you will find riotous over-exaggerated characters you'd also come across scenes with purity of line that predates Haring. You'd also find scenes of surrealism and beauty. So when I first began to see Haring's work I pretty much passed it off as the tail end of this movement but made more popular with scenes of family and brotherly love. But I've never seen a full exhibition so perhaps I'm blowing this out of my ass.

My sister, whose a graduate of the Art Institute(and therefore not an artist) was always a fan.

Back to comix for a moment: A knock on them was they were often misogynistic and had other disturbing elements. All of this is explored in what I think is one of the great documentaries of the last 20 years Crumb. Here you have three mentally sick brothers one of whom is saved by art and commercial success.
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